The end of era, Future of MMA, the finality.

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I'm no dreamer. Perhaps because it died long ago, faded through the years of time, but then again, I was never an ambitious person. We have been, if you have been from the start, through various stages of MMA, many organizations, coming and going, exploding like stars that leaves no traces when they are gone but distant memory. Who can ever forget the ambitious attempt that was the Yamma Pit?

But through MMA, we could dream about what it could be. When MMA wasn't as mainstream as now, and dominated by UFC, we could wonder about the potential match ups, or potential talents from different fields that could wow us with their unseen abilities. It seems that's all in the past.

UFC doesn't go for the best talents no further. That's why PFL, which is a laughable organization, alongside ONEFC, which is even worse, was able to get talents like Khirziev who is good, but even more boring that his undefeated records. I still wonder Mokaev was only signed because he represents UK, but I digress.

I shat on O'Malley at the peak of his powers and said the same thing so I'm keeping the same energy, he would've never won Bellator BW GP, don't think he would've passed the quarters. He would've never beaten Sabatello who is ranked out of top 100 right now probably. And as you remember, at the peak of Yan's power, I was like the only guy around who said O'malley is a better striker than Yan, so I do give him credit when it's due.

I miss the days of staying up for worthy oversea cards. Asakura doesn't deserve the title shot. He has a puncher's chance( and also with knees), but he sucks really. I can see him beating Pantoja, because that's what can happen when you don't give undeserved shots to a dangerous opponent. But dangerous doesn't mean an elite fighter, which he is not. And everybody has an expiry date on how much damage they can take. Who know when the father time comes calling for Pantoja? The only fighter that remains worthy of following at the moment from over there is Sezawa, Rizin's atomweight champ. I am curious however how Saku's son is going to look like.

There's nothing to dream about left. We've seen pretty much everything we could. The corpse of Jon Jones is still being paraded as the pound for pound best. I don't think JMMA will ever recover, and PFL seems a dead end. I rated Ngannou as highly as anybody during his run, but what's with this late push after his exit? He's no longer relevant, and seems old, slow and well past his peak as well. There's just no more room left for imagination. Even looking at new guys like Khamzat, Umar, Usman, I mean, it's just cookie cutter things that we've seen before. The problem is, that cookie cutter is so effective.

It's easy to reminisce on the past and rate it more highly than it actually was. In this case however, the golden days of MMA may have truly been have come and gone.

The card this weekend is super good though. Maybe the best card of the year? It even has a flat earther vs flat earther fight with two worst strikings in MMA. But jokes aside, def an interesting fight.

Hope all your sherbros have a great last month of the year. A little early but,

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Odd thread. MMA as a sport has only been a thing for like 30 years. Calling a sport that's still in it's infant years "dead" is wild. It will most likely see some golden years long after you're dead and gone.

Also, you're being unfair to Asakura. Not only are you saying he sucks, but you're claiming that even if he were to beat Pantoja he still sucks. Not cool.

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I agree with it all but there are still a lot of what if match-ups out there but more so in WMMA than MMA. Kayla Harrison was recently brought over and the Dakota Ditcheva looks like the best fighter at her weight. I've said it before and know it comes off as delusional a bit but Aaron Pico within 2 years will finally reach gold at an age where he should be at his peak and will be a dream matchup against anyone if his shoulder stays healthy.

It has lost the special feel for myself as well. How much of that is the product itself being worse vs seemingly have seen it all before over two decades vs having 4 kids with their own sporting schedule taking away my time to focus on hobbies I don't know. But the sport on a global level at least seems to be growing even if the UFC seemingly seem to step on its own feet.

310 is set to be amazing. 311 really good and 312 seems destined to be the card that will get the every 6 month "is 312 the worst PPV of all time" threads dedicated to it.
 
I miss the days of staying up for worthy oversea cards. Asakura doesn't deserve the title shot. He has a puncher's chance( and also with knees), but he sucks really. I can see him beating Pantoja, because that's what can happen when you don't give undeserved shots to a dangerous opponent. But dangerous doesn't mean an elite fighter, which he is not. And everybody has an expiry date on how much damage they can take. Who know when the father time comes calling for Pantoja? The only fighter that remains worthy of following at the moment from over there is Sezawa, Rizin's atomweight champ. I am curious however how Saku's son is going to look like.

There's nothing to dream about left. We've seen pretty much everything we could. The corpse of Jon Jones is still being paraded as the pound for pound best. I don't think JMMA will ever recover, and PFL seems a dead end. I rated Ngannou as highly as anybody during his run, but what's with this late push after his exit? He's no longer relevant, and seems old, slow and well past his peak as well. There's just no more room left for imagination. Even looking at new guys like Khamzat, Umar, Usman, I mean, it's just cookie cutter things that we've seen before. The problem is, that cookie cutter is so effective.

It's easy to reminisce on the past and rate it more highly than it actually was. In this case however, the golden days of MMA may have truly been have come and gone.

The card this weekend is super good though. Maybe the best card of the year? It even has a flat earther vs flat earther fight with two worst strikings in MMA. But jokes aside, def an interesting fight.

The golden days of MMA were amazing, but MMA hasn't finished, and likely never will. UFC is a massive promotion that could land on fucking Netflix or Amazon next year. And UFC keeps growing. PFL...not so much. Out of business in a couple years most likely.

This card is the best card of the year this weekend you think?

UFC 299 and 300 - both this year - shits all over this card.

Obligatory to a thread like this....

"UFC is dying" - Some random Shertard.
 
As someone who coaches kids. The next generation of martial artists are very skilled and really advanced. The sport has a bright future and will continue to grow and evolve for years to come.

i don't doubt that, but i think the question is are they ready to take that 5/5 instead of the security of a normal job? i'm guessing most aren't.
 
This is the thing.

How irresponsible are these parents who make their kids do 2 a days 7 days a week and compete every week in a sport where even if they reach the top level domestically, they'll be on 1.5k/1.5k lol.

The pay is a real sticking point for the sport, especially when there isn't a proper amateur route like boxing has.
You wouldn't let your kid compete in combat sports?
 
i feel u, i don't watch mma or get excited for it anymore. I just read the results here and type things to pretend i exist.

I still have some dreams left for mma. shavkat becomes champ and fights 3 or more timesa year and defends like 10 times atleast, volk makes a comeback and 2 division champ until he retires, jones and conor goes to jail for doing some more sociopath stuff that dana can't bail them out of, a respectful champ fights 3 times a year and defends a long time without talkin trash. rules get changes so u can hit grounded opponents. I dunno. Little things.
 
It's an ebb and flow there will always be new great fighters in the future. It's like any other sport, the great players or athletes get old and new fresh athletes come in and rejuvenate the sport again.

Chimaev is perfect example of this.

MMA will be fine, it's ongoing evolution of change and rejuvenation.
 
It's an ebb and flow there will always be new great fighters in the future. It's like any other sport, the great players or athletes get old and new fresh athletes come in and rejuvenate the sport again.

Chimaev is perfect example of this.

MMA will be fine, it's ongoing evolution of change and rejuvenation.

Exactly this. MMA is still in its infancy but is becoming a major sport.

Chimaev is a great example, I think Rakhmonov who's fighting this Saturday is a much better example.... And they will fight soon... not like boxing where none of the top fighters fight each other because they're all under different promoters.
 
Exactly this. MMA is still in its infancy but is becoming a major sport.

Chimaev is a great example, I think Rakhmonov who's fighting this Saturday is a much better example.... And they will fight soon... not like boxing where none of the top fighters fight each other because they're all under different promoters.

Precisely my friend, Rakhmonov is a great example.
 
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Exactly this. MMA is still in its infancy but is becoming a major sport.

Chimaev is a great example, I think Rakhmonov who's fighting this Saturday is a much better example.... And they will fight soon... not like boxing where none of the top fighters fight each other because they're all under different promoters.

But this does happen in MMA....guys in Bellator can't fight guys in the UFC even if they are top fighters.

Actually, in boxing guys DO fight people from different promotions.
 
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