The DNC rolls back lobbyist restrictions...

[INTERL0PER]

Politics gonna politics.

Modern democracy is barely democracy.

 

[Byron Carter]

I fucking hate our two party system. I really really do. Either you get handpicked slimeball 1 or handpicked slimeball 2.

Thank goodness Bernie has the chance to fuck up some shit.

You mean the guy who has been a part of the same system you loathe for 27 years?

Yeah, he's all about hope and change.


How gullible can you be, seriously?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Precedent?

You really need specific examples where people root hard for candidate A during the primaries but, after they lose, end up defending/supporting candidate B in the general election? Come on. This happens every single election.

You can already see people getting ready for it with posts like "I don't like Hillary but anything's better than [insert Republican name here]." They will be defending her against criticism once Bernie is out.

 

[Falsedawn]

You mean the guy who has been a part of the same system you loathe for 27 years?

Yeah, he's all about hope and change.


How gullible can you be, seriously?

All of the Republican candidates are doomsday toxic, and the next president could have 4 Supreme Court appointments.

I'll even vote for Hillary if they fuck over Bernie. The next 8 years is going to determine the next 50 after that.

 

[Rod1]

You really need specific examples where people root hard for candidate A during the primaries but, after they lose, end up defending/supporting candidate B in the general election? Come on. This happens every single election.

You can already see people getting ready for it with posts like "I don't like Hillary but anything's better than [insert Republican name here]." They will be defending her against criticism once Bernie is out.

Because any criticism levied to Hillary from the republican side is like Hitler criticizing the Turks for the armenian genocide.

 

[VivaRevolution]

This is really shining a light on the Democratic party for us liberals. Here's what just happened... Clinton realized she was going to get funding crushed and called the DNC to change the rules.

I may be leaving the party if Clinton benefits from this to the point of swamping Sanders with lobbyist money. Bought and paid for.

This/\ people don't see it, but Sanders has already won the D nomination.

Exit polls, fundraising, favorability ratings, 50% lead melted away before the first primary.....the nomination is over, the media just hasn't reported it yet.

 

[VivaRevolution]

You mean the guy who has been a part of the same system you loathe for 27 years?

Yeah, he's all about hope and change.


How gullible can you be, seriously?

Yes, we mean the guy with a 27 year voting history that proves without a doubt, he is who he says he is.

 

[BVG]

It's funny considering 90% of the liberals ITT shitting on Shillary and the DNC will be passionately defending her in September when she's going head to head with Trump.

Fuck no. Gloves are off now I want that bitch to burn.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Because any criticism levied to Hillary from the republican side is like Hitler criticizing the Turks for the armenian genocide.

That is a non-sequitur. My point remains. The supposedly staunch anti-Hillary pro-Bernie guys will be by her side as her loyal cadres once she wins the nomination.

 

[VivaRevolution]

That is a non-sequitur. My point remains. The supposedly staunch anti-Hillary pro-Bernie guys will be by her side as her loyal cadres once she wins the nomination.

I couldn't find the story again, but their is a piece out there that argues that voting for Hillary tells the establishment DNC that it is OK for them to shove candidates down our throat, and impose their will on the people.

For this reason I will not vote for Hillary. To me this is a fight for our very democracy.

I am willing to lose a fight that will reverberate for decades in our government and the supreme court, to tell the DNC, that our democracy is not to be played with.

The DNC knew this was a danger, and have proceeded haphazardly, down this road.

There is a line the DNC should not have crossed, and in my opinion they have crossed it.

Many will be motivated by fear of Republicans, but I personally fear the message voting for Hillary would send to the DNC far more.

 

[bad seed]

does anyone else smell revolution in the air? This can snowball into something big.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Am i reading that wrong or does that basically say that they want to make sure the delegate is protected incase the people get uppity ?

Its saying they are protecting the oligarchs candidates from popular grass roots activists.

Basically 'democracy' in Murka doesnt exist. Its a sham.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Its saying they are protecting the oligarchs candidates from popular grass roots activists.

Basically 'democracy' in Murka doesnt exist. Its a sham.

Thats what I thought it said but I dont think too highly of my own intelligence so I figured I would make sure

 

[VivaRevolution]

Its saying they are protecting the oligarchs candidates from popular grass roots activists.

Basically 'democracy' in Murka doesnt exist. Its a sham.

I'm not one that believes that this was ever really any different in the past then it is today, what I think has changed is the powers that be, have lost their legitimacy.

To put this another way, the Emperor is wearing no clothes.

 

[Handsomebwonderfull]

I don't see the benefit lobbyists have on Washington in regards to the average American.

There is none really. There used to be. Not anymore

 

[Oeshon]

I still like the idea that politicians should wear decals like NASCAR displaying their sponsors

haha this is awesome. i might just have some fun in photoshop later today...

 

[matburn H]

The superdelegates and campaign finaince fiascos aside, do any of you really think Burnie Sanders will do shit once in office? Unless he gets a huge congressional shift ala Obama 2008 (which he won't, he isn't running off a failed Bush presidency) he is going to be gridlocked for at least his first two years in office. I don't want Hillary either, but this notion Sanders is going to be the next big thing is the same cult of personality dissapoitment we JUST got over with Obama. My god Americans have short memories.

 

[VivaRevolution]

The superdelegates and campaign finaince fiascos aside, do any of you really think Burnie Sanders will do shit once in office? Unless he gets a huge congressional shift ala Obama 2008 (which he won't, he isn't running off a failed Bush presidency) he is going to be gridlocked for at least his first two years in office. I don't want Hillary either, but this notion Sanders is going to be the next big thing is the same cult of personality dissapoitment we JUST got over with Obama. My god Americans have short memories.

I honestly believe if Bernie wins the election that he has already built the grass roots support needed for real change. I know it has been a long time since we saw real people power, but as I like to say, if people want to stand in front of a populist wave, they are free to do so, but they won't be standing there for long.

Bernie is right in saying that if congress looks out it's window, and see's 100,000's or even millions of people, it will start singing a different tune.

It would be suicide to not follow the will of the people at that point. They are bought and paid for, not dumb.

 

[Gutter Chris]

The superdelegates and campaign finaince fiascos aside, do any of you really think Burnie Sanders will do shit once in office? Unless he gets a huge congressional shift ala Obama 2008 (which he won't, he isn't running off a failed Bush presidency) he is going to be gridlocked for at least his first two years in office. I don't want Hillary either, but this notion Sanders is going to be the next big thing is the same cult of personality dissapoitment we JUST got over with Obama. My god Americans have short memories.

I do and dont think your right.
Your right congress will block and stall him at every turn.

Your wrong he isnt obama and has way different ideas about the direction our country should go in than obama did. I think people are tired of feeling like thay have been taken for a ride on both sides of the isle and if a bernie or trump doesnt win and make some major changes than the outsider candidate whoever it may be will win in a landslide in the near future with a mandate not seen in a long time.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Bernie is right in saying that if congress looks out it's window, and see's 100,000's or even millions of people, it will start singing a different tune.

That right there. I like that we both responded to the dude at about the same time with sim messages