The Democratic Party left me behind — and I'm not alone

[Jack V Savage]

Trump in actuality is a third party. And media hysteria aside, this country is not falling apart anymore than it was during the last President.

In terms of actual policy, what has Trump done differently from W?

 

[Quequeg]

There's a pretty big difference between democrats and the screeching political left, even though democrats have their votes locked down, just as the republicans don't really act on behalf of the birthers and kkk groups. I get that seeing Trump elected might scare some folks into thinking the fringe is driving the party forward, but really the tangible products of his presidency will be the same as those you'd have gotten from any republican candidate. It would be the samne on the left. It might normalize some strange ideas for the future to have Bernie Sanders as president, but he's not going to implement socialism, and nobody's agreeing to paying reparations.

Not quite, no other Republican would of instituted tariffs and sucked off Putin.

 

[dontsnitch]

But we do know that racism, homophobia, etc. is a problem that for the most part exists on the right. I'll admit it's hard to quantify (for me anyway, not sure if there is good data on this).

Saying (some number of) Trump supporters are deplorable is fact. I can't tell you what the number is, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't say it.

Also, her point is that many people in the other party hold horrible views and she wants to fight against that.

We also know that racism is present in the left, and in the center, and in the fringes. Saying some number of Hillary supporters are deplorable is also fact. Bernie supporters too. Without statistics this is... politics.

Hillary made a huge gaff by attacking voters, not sure why anyone would give this the thumbs up.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Are you outraged at Trump's dozens and dozens of insults hurled at broad groups of people?

Yes. I think it is ugly and counterproductive. I've criticized Trump's boorishness in this regard, which is why I did not support him in the primaries. He was my least favorite republican candidate by a long shot. I believe in this thread I specifically criticized his comments about illegal immigrants.

I think it is all unnecessary, just like the name calling and viciousness many folks here insist on discussing politics with. People can disagree respectfully, and it makes it that much easier to agree when possible and compromise when necessary. Plus, it makes for a more pleasant society.

 

[Jack V Savage]

We also know that racism is present in the left, and in the center, and in the fringes. Saying some number of Hillary supporters are deplorable is also fact. Bernie supporters too. Without statistics this is... politics.

Hillary made a huge gaff by attacking voters, not sure why anyone would give this the thumbs up.

Michael Kinsley:

A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth – some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say.

 

[HomerThompson]

Yes. I think it is ugly and counterproductive. I've criticized Trump's boorishness in this regard, which is why I did not support him in the primaries. He was my least favorite republican candidate by a long shot. I believe in this thread I specifically criticized his comments about illegal immigrants.

I think it is all unnecessary, just like the name calling and viciousness many folks here insist on discussing politics with. People can disagree respectfully, and it makes it that much easier to agree when possible and compromise when necessary. Plus, it makes for a more pleasant society.

But you still support him somehow. Interesting.

 

[Witchhunt]

Mix the gif's up a little Homey. You are wearing this one out. It will prove to not be as durable as the ford/dogs i fear.

 

[Jack V Savage]

People can disagree respectfully, and it makes it that much easier to agree when possible and compromise when necessary. Plus, it makes for a more pleasant society.

I agree, but I also think that people should refrain from lying, even if it helps their preferred party. And honesty is more important than civility (not defending unnecessary rudeness in the name of honesty, but clearly civility isn't the highest value). I also find this to be disingenuous considering your own pattern of extreme hostility when people disagree with you.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

But you still support him somehow. Interesting.

Somehow? Lol. There's no mystery here. I support many of his policies. I like paying less in taxes. I like Neil Gorsuch. Doesn't mean I'd let Trump watch my kids. I'd much rather hang out with the Obamas.

 

[HomerThompson]

Somehow? Lol. There's no mystery here. I support many of his policies. I like paying less in taxes. I like Neil Gorsuch. Doesn't mean I'd let Trump watch my kids. I'd much rather hang out with the Obamas.

So you don't actually care about civility at all. Got it.

 

[kpt018]

We also know that racism is present in the left, and in the center, and in the fringes. Saying some number of Hillary supporters are deplorable is also fact. Bernie supporters too. Without statistics this is... politics.

Hillary made a huge gaff by attacking voters, not sure why anyone would give this the thumbs up.

It's undoubtedly a much bigger problem on the right. Do you think racists are voting for the party that fights racism? And yes, there are deplorable lefties. Do you see us getting bent out of shape over getting called communists or whatever? Are we claiming Obama won two terms because idiots on the right called liberals communists? No and no, and you guys should stop doing it too. If hurting your feelings sways the vote I'd say it's time to reevaluate what you care about.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I agree, but I also think that people should refrain from lying, even if it helps their preferred party. And honesty is more important than civility (not defending unnecessary rudeness in the name of honesty, but clearly civility isn't the highest value). I also find this to be disingenuous considering your own pattern of extreme hostility when people disagree with you.

I don't have a pattern of extreme hostility to people who disagree with me. You're projecting. I try to make nice with pretty much everyone, and if one discussion gets too heated, I try that much harder to play nice in the next one. In this very thread I've managed to be jocular with people strongly opposing my views. I don't even have a beef with you. I constantly manage to point out that I think you're smart. I think if you managed to listen instead of attacking, you'd find we often have similar positions.

I also have no pattern of lying, which is always a topic whenever I have to discuss anything at all with you. It's petty imo.

Why not just type, I agree, and then stop?

 

[Seano]

In terms of actual policy, what has Trump done differently from W?

I believe Trump has followed the Reagan blueprint more than Bush.

 

[kpt018]

Somehow? Lol. There's no mystery here. I support many of his policies. I like paying less in taxes. I like Neil Gorsuch. Doesn't mean I'd let Trump watch my kids. I'd much rather hang out with the Obamas.

Ok, this is all fine, but just stop with the decency stuff you keep talking about. You're admitting here it's not that important, or at least not as important as tax cuts and conservative SCJ nominations.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

So you don't actually care about civility at all. Got it.

Ok, this is all fine, but just stop with the decency stuff you keep talking about. You're admitting here it's not that important, or at least not as important as tax cuts and conservative SCJ nominations.

Of course I care about civility. I don't think it is the only consideration, after all it didn't determine my vote in the general election, but I think it is an important one, which is why it influenced my vote in the primary election.

 

[kpt018]

I believe Trump has followed the Reagan blueprint more than Bush.

Woah, not with Russia though right?

 

[Ranzou**]

In terms of actual policy, what has Trump done differently from W?

I'll take this one. Let us see...

Overhauled the VA. I get service blazing fast now.

Lived up to more campaign promises than any other president in history.

Tackled our lagging business dealings with other countries. You think he started these trade wars for the hell of it? We were getting raped and he knew it.

Stock market gains the likes we have never seen.

Trying to revitalize NASA with different goals for them and speed up certain programs which they push back against because lolznotmyprezident.

Championed stricter immigration policies including the wall. If you think trying to enforce the LAW on these matters is "racist" your just a plain fool and there is literally no help for you.

Fixed our Supreme Court so that now it swings right. Circumstance? Sure but now they cannot pander to candyass political correctness gone mad assholes.

Taking a machete to anti-growth regulations.

Man these are just the broadstrokes that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Seano]

Woah, not with Russia though right?

Yes, actually. Reagan went a long way to create a friendship with Russia. Trump would also prefer we were friends with russia as opposed to enemies.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't have a pattern of extreme hostility to people who disagree with me. You're projecting.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...w-be-at-war-with-north-korea-”.3789967/page-3

Why not just type, I agree, and then stop?

Because I think there's more that needs to be said. Civility is good if it keeps people from getting their backs up and allows issues to be discussed more reasonably, but it's bad if it keeps things from being said that need to be said or allows bad play to slip through. People have to strike the right balance.

I believe Trump has followed the Reagan blueprint more than Bush.

What's the difference that you see, and how is Trump more similar to Reagan?

 

[kpt018]

Yes, actually. Reagan went a long way to create a friendship with Russia. Trump would also prefer we were friends with russia as opposed to enemies.

Everyone would prefer being friends with anyone over being enemies. Given the current circumstances (Russian influence in our election, actively trying to harm western democracies, etc.) I think Regan is rolling in his grave over Trump's foreign policy. There is zero chance he support favor to Russia and attacks on allies.