Opinion The Cotradictions of the Conservative Mind

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Talking politics with my best friend, who has become a conservative as we have gotten older, can be exhausting. I'm sure he feels the same about me.

From my perspective, what I cannot figure out about him is this: he takes great pride in his patriotism, yet he spends almost all his time in our conversations arguing about why things that work EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world CANNOT work in America.

It's so strange to me how people who claim to love the country the most seem to think we are capable of accomplishing the least in terms of tangible action to improve our lives.

It's like a type of reverse American exceptionalism.

I can't understand this thinking, and I certainly cannot understand how it exists in someone who claims to be patriotic.

If you love your country, why don't you believe in it and your fellow citizens agency to make meaningful change?

Stupifying.

I'm sure everyone else can chime in with their own perceived contradictions. I'm really curious to see if a conservative can explain the above to me, though.
 
Should change it to "cuntridictions" if ya get a chance ;)

Patriotism ain't “believing the government can fix everything”-- and it sure as fuck isn't “believing nothing should ever change” That’s where both parties lose the plot. That's why we're at this shithole 50/50 no one can even hold a genuine conversation and automatically devalue the person from the other "side" -- cause they deadset and dug in level of bullshit today.

I find it's liberals that point at shit -- “what works everywhere else” -- like countries and cultures are different themed lego sets they think go together. They ignore scale, culture, incentives -- and the fact that our institutions are bloated, captured, and barely competent. Don't take my word for it -- just look how much american "edumacation" has slipped in the past 20 years. When shit fails, it’s never the idea -- it’s that we/they didn’t WORSHIP it hard enough. "Well that wasn't real (INSERT XXXXXX whatever bullshit) bla bla.

Conservatives wrap themselves in the flag while insisting almost every reform is impossible -- every change is socialism, and the only acceptable future is the past. That ain't love of country -- that’s fear of responsibility.

One side has/had near blind faith in government -- The other has blind faith in stagnation -- just my opinion on where the fuck we're at. Trapped in a fuckin' loop it would seem...

Real patriotism is believing americans can do better without pretending the state is magic or change is treason.

TLDR; both parties suck -- pick better logic ;)
 
Wow.

I read the thread title and felt bad for the OP/TS because the specific details are so lacking that I wondered, "can he be more vague".

"No", I thought.

The fact his best friend is trying to explain things to him and he cannot understand saddens me.
 
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Stoic1 said:
Wow.

I read the thread title and felt bad for the OP/TS because the specific details are so lacking that I wondered, "can he be more vague".

"No", I thought.

The fact his best friend is trying to explain things to him and he cannot understand saddens me.
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You aren't sad about a thing. You like to punch down. I like the others.
 
All I know is people are leaving California and New York and are moving into Texas or Florida, despite California having the best climate out of all 50 states.

And they're moving into states with heatwaves in Texas and Hurricans in Florida.
 
Crazy Source said:
I'm doing my best to not get banned, brother. If you want to have an honest conversation let me know.
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You calling me brother...

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HereticBD said:
This totally wasn't a conversation that happened in your head...

The vague details and broad generalization really sold it.
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Fine. It was a made up conversation. I have no friends in real life and only talk to people on internet message boards.

Are you happy now?

Stoic1 said:
Wow.

I read the thread title and felt bad for the OP/TS because the specific details are so lacking that I wondered, "can he be more vague".

"No", I thought.

The fact his best friend is trying to explain things to him and he cannot understand saddens me.
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The post was inspired by one particular recent conversation, but it is an abstract of many conversations we've had over the years-- about healthcare, UBI, education, taxes, etc.

Lol, I really didn't think people would find it so difficult to understand that I am summarizing a reoccurring pattern, not writing a transcript dialogue.

Plug in UHC, plug in tuition free college, plug in family leave policy, plug in mandatory vacation time. The details of the objections change, but the same basic pattern holds: "That works there, but it can't work here because [insert a bunch of untested reasons]..."
 
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It may help to stop talking politics with him as much and see if that helps. (Not being facetious, btw)
Or if he's the initiator, be like "Yyyyup, that's how they do"
Or something equally aloof.

I have a buddy that will hijack 20-30 mins of conversation with politics/internet speak if i don't nail the pivot by being dismissive or visibly uninterested.
And I feel bad, bc it's just what he's into
Idk, it used to be considered bad manners to talk about certain things socially too often.
 
you can love your retarded brother and at the same time not believe he is capable of very much
 
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