Law The Cops Seized His $86,900 Life Savings For No Reason. They Picked The Wrong Marine

[Hog-train]

https://archive.ph/5ApUO#selection-307.0-307.84

TL/DR:

1. Cops doing the civil asset forfeiture thing where they just pull someone over to take their money.
2. Marine gets his life savings taken.
3. He goes through the normal procedure to get his money back, but the Feds completely miss the deadline to return the money and ignore him.
4. He gets help from non profit and sues, prompting the DEA to agree to return his money plus interest the day after.
5. He still sues - asking the court to declare that state law does not allow for federal adoption and equitable sharing and to award him both compensatory damages and lawyers’ fees. The motion to dismiss has been turned down by a judge.
6. The average currency forfeiture is just $1,276 and hiring an attorney costs at least double that, which is why most people don’t get their property returned.
7. If the feds end up keeping the money, they kick back up to 80% to the law enforcement agency that originated the seizure—a process known as “equitable sharing.”
8 . Even if you successfully reclaim your seized property, you are often required to pay a fee, often covering legal costs associated with the process of fighting to get your money back, even if you were not ultimately charged with a crime.

This is legalized robbery.

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[HunterAcosta]

They’re lucky he didn’t go John Rambo on them.

 

[Ruprecht]

I've encountered similar in developing nations where the police departments are underfunded and officers underpaid, with the expectation that they fund themselves through corruption and dubious confiscations.
Of course the amounts are much smaller in those cases, on account of the level of poverty.

 

[jk7707]

No justification for this kind of shit. Everyone involved should be banned from law enforcement for life.

 

[Noveltymortar]

Agree that this absolutely needs to end. This should not be happening in America.

 

[lsa]

I dont even....
Seriously?


I hope the cops and some other people at least loses their jobs.

 

[RedDevilFan]

The truth is local cty and county governments in America rely significantly on fines, fees, and property forfeitures from citizens to fund their budgets. This is where the problem lies. Because local governments and police departments rely on the money to fund their budgets it becomes a racket.

Civil asset forfeiture allows the government to take ownership of your property without ever convicting or charging a person with a crime. In some states, law enforcement can keep up to 100 percent of the proceeds from a forfeiture, which creates a bad incentive to continue the activity.

Traffic tickets and moving violations are similar. Some police departments and traffic departments have hard or soft quotas on how many moving tickets that they must write per day.

 

[lsa]

BUT I must admit the title is a bit "misleading"
I really thought he went Rambo on their asses and instead he went to the court like a normal dude.

I am disappointed

 

[SandisLL]

I've encountered similar in developing nations where the police departments are underfunded and officers underpaid, with the expectation that they fund themselves through corruption and dubious confiscations.
Of course the amounts are much smaller in those cases, on account of the level of poverty.

Yes, for example in fsu countries corruption in 1990 ies was ....till heaven.
Road police, police, even revenue service, sanitary inspections, labour inspectorate...
More often like to collect bribes: if you pay bribes they call and tell: wow, next week you will get visit from labour inspectorate, taxman, sanitary inspector etc.
If no, you will get unnoticed visit in restaurant, pub etc etc...
A lot of these controllers in poor countries afforded to purchase really expensive if compare with their legal income mortgage, cars etc....
Ofc in EU it is different world cos relatively strict anti money laundering measures and mandatory measures to prevent terrorism financing : you purchase something expensive like flat etc... you should show how you get funds for this if asked etc...


Ukraine btw is starting to feel this how they are ready for EU....
Appeared some bireucrats now are under investigation because their spendings appeared not comparable with their legal savings and income & market prices for stuff they had purchased.

For example some flats, tesla and Mercedes with official income x ....and prices they had paid for this stutt xxx ...and their relatives too, e russ a the same stuff , while they ...ofc

 

[SandisLL]

Traffic tickets

Traffic tickets in EU are significant contribution to gov budget....
Almost like tax for car ( road tax cos you have car ), excise payments for fuel and VAT....
Also fees for car registering, de registering etc.

Failed to pay Traffic fine in time: will get letters...and to pay more...+ next fine will be more harsh....

 

[Ruprecht]

Yes, for example in fsu countries corruption in 1990 ies was ....till heaven.
Road police, police, even revenue service, sanitary inspections, labour inspectorate...
More often like to collect bribes: if you pay bribes they call and tell: wow, next week you will get visit from labour inspectorate, taxman, sanitary inspector etc.
If no, you will get unnoticed visit in restaurant, pub etc etc...
A lot of these controllers in poor countries afforded to purchase really expensive if compare with their legal income mortgage, cars etc....
Ofc in EU it is different world cos relatively strict anti money laundering measures and mandatory measures to prevent terrorism financing : you purchase something expensive like flat etc... you should show how you get funds for this if asked etc...


Ukraine btw is starting to feel this how they are ready for EU....
Appeared some bireucrats now are under investigation because their spendings appeared not comparable with their legal savings and income & market prices for stuff they had purchased.

For example some flaws, tesla and Mercedes with official income x ....and prices they had paid for this stutt xxx ...and their relatives too, e russ a the same stuff , while they ...ofc

Yeah, I was thinking of Papua New Guinea, but similar situations of endemic corruption. The estimation I've seen given (for PNG) is that the black economy consumes 20% of the GDP in corruption, but that seems very low to me given the headline examples (often involving mining royalties, which are large sums), so I wonder how it's calculated.

 

[SandisLL]

BTW in some EU countries ministries of Finances now aren't happy about increased % of Electric cars : from price you will pay in gas tank for fossil fuel in EU 46-56% are ...different duties and tax payments...

 

[SandisLL]

Yeah, I was thinking of Papua New Guinea, but similar situations of endemic corruption. The estimation I've seen given (for PNG) is that the black economy consumes 20% of the GDP in corruption, but that seems very low to me given the headline examples (often involving mining royalties, which are large sums), so I wonder how it's calculated.

It is very difficult to estimate corruption level by cash movement alone or money transfers alone.

Corruption does use a lot of barter type deals where cash isn't used.
There are things that maybe you do for me something and in exchange I will do for you something etc.
Also barter type deals.
Plus besides cash gemstones, gold, silver etc does exist...
For small bribes alco, tobacco etc might be used ( common stuff ussr 1988- ex ussr 1994 th. ) ...for example to make plumber to work more diligently. Or if you are producing illegal alco: might pay bribes with % of physical production etc.

 

[Ruprecht]

It is very difficult to estimate corruption level by cash movement alone or money transfers alone.

Corruption does use a lot of barter type deals where cash isn't used.
There are things that maybe you do for me something and in exchange I will do for you something etc.
Also barter type deals.
Plus besides cash gemstones, gold, silver etc does exist...
For small bribes alco, tobacco etc might be used ( common stuff ussr 1988- ex ussr 1994 th. ) ...for example to make plumber to work more diligently. Or if you are producing illegal alco: might pay bribes with % of physical production etc.

Yeah, I assume it's underestimated.
Strange that similar dynamics would exist in the US though, given it's supposedly a developed nation.
The benefits of having an adequately funded and compensated police force, with effective checks on corruption, seem pretty self evident.
Although I guess policing in the US is also more similar to developing nations due to their levels of violent crime.

 

[SandisLL]

Yeah, I assume it's underestimated.
Strange that similar dynamics would exist in the US though, given it's supposedly a developed nation.
The benefits of having an adequately funded and compensated police force, with effective checks on corruption, seem pretty self evident.
Although I guess policing in the US is also more similar to developing nations due to their levels of violent crime.

We had one ...blogger ( absolutely doesn't makes sense his cheap boring bullshit ) who had afforded to purchase Ferrari. Then he wasn't able to prove where, how and why he get money for this and that tax for income for this sum had been paid.
Appeared that he is connected with pro Kremlin oriented troll farms networks and ofc failed to pay income tax for sum he needed to pay according to real market prices for Ferrari.

Such real life. EU.
At least they are really attempting to do something...unlike ykr and other beauties....

 

[Blayt7hh]

Tow truck companies can pull your car without proving where they got it and you still have to pay the service fee, overdraft fees, pyramid schemes being basically legal, etc. there’s a lot of straight up theft that puts the average criminal to shame in our country

 

[SandisLL]

Tow truck companies can pull your car without proving where they got it and you still have to pay the service fee, overdraft fees, pyramid schemes being basically legal, etc. there’s a lot of straight up theft that puts the average criminal to shame in our country

In EU authorities are forcing more and more to use videorecorders, bodycams and GPS trackers plus journals etc.

While if they will evacuate car....cos police ordered....they... there fine ofc plus transport exp plus " storage " fees for keeping your car somewhere ....it is nasty stuff then, yes.
Plus if you will fail to pay in time..debt will increase and they will use legal services companies to fill papers for potential court process if you still will fail to pay...

 

[Cid]

Thank you war on personal freedoms.


Whoops i meant drugs

 

[KnightTemplar]

They’re lucky he didn’t go John Rambo on them.

Rambo was a Green Beret, not a Marine.

This guy, on the other hand...

 

[Confucamus]

The whole Civil Forfeiture thing is wild to me. A lot of people have been straight up fucked out of money with little to no recourse. What is even the justification for this?