The connection between Jon's GOAT status and him having the longest reach in UFC history and among the most failed steroid tests

[MarioLemieux]

You can't hold it against Jon that he has the longest reach in UFC history, but when he uses that reach to poke eyes in almost every fight, and the fact that he has among the most failed steroid tests in UFC history, it really throws this new "Jon Jones is the GOAT of all combat sports history" advertising campaign that Dana is doing for Jon into question. The same Dana who never lavashed this praise on Jones until recently, even suggesting he lost the Reyes fight and that he was scared of Francis at a point. Why the sudden change in heart?

Now, I would agree that he has the best resume in the sport by a long shot despite eeking out numerous decisions that could have went either way. If any of those had turned into losses his legacy would be viewed entirely different today.

So are you sold on the Jones being the GOAT narrative even despite the asterisks? and isn't the sport a little young for everybody to be proclaiming a GOAT every other day?

Just my two cents.

 

[VinceArch]

Jon's entire career will forever have an asterisk next to it.

 

[Brigfa2]

Not being able to hide his PED usage like the other fighters is Jon's biggest weakness

 

[AmonTobin]

You can't hold it against Jon that he has the longest reach in UFC history, but when he uses that reach to poke eyes in almost every fight, and the fact that he has among the most failed steroid tests in UFC history, it really throws this new "Jon Jones is the GOAT of all combat sports history" advertising campaign that Dana is doing for Jon into question. The same Dana who never lavashed this praise on Jones until recently, even suggesting he lost the Reyes fight and that he was scared of Francis at a point. Why the sudden change in heart?

Now, I would agree that he has the best resume in the sport by a long shot despite eeking out numerous decisions that could have went either way. If any of those had turned into losses his legacy would be viewed entirely different today.

So are you sold on the Jones being the GOAT narrative even despite the asterisks? and isn't the sport a little young for everybody to be proclaiming a GOAT every other day?

Just my two cents.

Totally valid take and I think most people would agree with you. He's a talented fighter no doubt. But it can't be denied that he piled advantages (PEDs) upon advantages (reach), factoring into his success. I'm not sure why so many people have trouble acknowledging this. I'd also argue that in addition to this, his accumulating success also granted him favour which factored into fight outcomes. Favourable ref calls, favourable judge scoring, bias commentating, freedom to handpick opponents while refusing others.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Jon's entire career will forever have an asterisk next to it.

His whole life has an Asterix next to it.

I never think of him when considering GOAt at all, unless goat filthy cheater and most dishonourable person, really

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I'm going to start taking turinabol so I can be exactly like Jon Jones

 

[markg171]

That’s why Struve is next eh

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

I'm going to start taking turinabol so I can be exactly like Jon Jones

Why stop there? Dick pills and a cruise to find some homeless guys to befriend with some liquor? Or batter a stripper and then let some shots off?

 

[AmonTobin]

That’s why Struve is next eh

Oh does Jones wants Struve now? That would make sense. Lost 5 of his last 6 and has been retired for 4 years. Perfect.

 

[SamuraiBro]

Why stop there? Dick pills and a cruise to find some homeless guys to befriend with some liquor? Or batter a stripper and then let some shots off?

Beat your wife in front of your kids and flirt with men at a comedy club.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Beat your wife in front of your kids and flirt with men at a comedy club.

Smash your Bently into a telephone pole with underage girls in the car. Tell your friends you love em, by oil checking them.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

You can't hold it against Jon that he has the longest reach in UFC history, but when he uses that reach to poke eyes in almost every fight, and the fact that he has among the most failed steroid tests in UFC history, it really throws this new "Jon Jones is the GOAT of all combat sports history" advertising campaign that Dana is doing for Jon into question. The same Dana who never lavashed this praise on Jones until recently, even suggesting he lost the Reyes fight and that he was scared of Francis at a point. Why the sudden change in heart?

Now, I would agree that he has the best resume in the sport by a long shot despite eeking out numerous decisions that could have went either way. If any of those had turned into losses his legacy would be viewed entirely different today.

So are you sold on the Jones being the GOAT narrative even despite the asterisks? and isn't the sport a little young for everybody to be proclaiming a GOAT every other day?

Just my two cents.

Lord Artem is Da GOAT

put some spect on his name..

 

[JBJ was here]

That’s why Struve is next eh

Nah; Sergei Pavlovich. No way he could ever lose with that reach 84 inch reach, unduly heavy musculature, and being a southpaw on top of that.

 

[Mike]

As a community we do not think he's the goat, because of all the cheating. There have been a number of large polls and neither Jon or Anderson ever win because of the ped busts.

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

GSP is EASILY the MMA GOAT. I'm not even a fan but getting caught by a journeyman who you absolutely murdered in a rematch is far less embarrassing than barely squeaking out decisions against 3 of the worst title challengers in history.

Jones' run from 2011-2014 was historic and he was on track to being the GOAT but that was a decade ago and in the past 10 years:
- He's had more criminal charges than fights
- He's had as many bad performances as he's had good performances
- He's been stripped of the title THREE SEPARATE TIMES
- His quality of competition has fallen off a cliff with frequent cherry picked opponents

To quote Bobby Heenan after Hogan formed the NWO, "the career of a lifetime and you flushed it right down the drain kid." Jones had it all and made an endless series of bad choices. He brags about being some smart business man but the amount of money he left on the table with all of his BS is truly staggering. If anything, he is a significant underachiever given his potential and he will be know more as a criminal than a success when all is said and done. He already is; MMA is not a mainstream sport and only the scandals get a far circulation.

 

[icemun]

You can't hold it against Jon that he has the longest reach in UFC history, but when he uses that reach to poke eyes in almost every fight, and the fact that he has among the most failed steroid tests in UFC history, it really throws this new "Jon Jones is the GOAT of all combat sports history" advertising campaign that Dana is doing for Jon into question. The same Dana who never lavashed this praise on Jones until recently, even suggesting he lost the Reyes fight and that he was scared of Francis at a point. Why the sudden change in heart?

Now, I would agree that he has the best resume in the sport by a long shot despite eeking out numerous decisions that could have went either way. If any of those had turned into losses his legacy would be viewed entirely different today.

So are you sold on the Jones being the GOAT narrative even despite the asterisks? and isn't the sport a little young for everybody to be proclaiming a GOAT every other day?

Just my two cents.