Crime The CBC continues to be terrible at reporting, Canada continues to be great at protecting criminals.

[nhbbear]

I don't know where it is.

Pity. I have long said we need a thread to post our pics but few would do it

 

[idrankyourbeer]

What the fuck is one supposed to do to protect their home against a man with a weapon who breaks in?

turn on the hockey game, offer them a beer and a poutine, and then issue them a polite and sincere canadian apology.

or just give them a gun, lock them in a room, turn on some nickelback, and wait for them to off themselves just to put an end to their suffering.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

In fairness, it can get sticky. Say someone wanted to murder someone. Invite them into your home, and murder them. Then carefully stage a break-in, and say you feared for your life.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Our self defense laws are a complete joke and leave us completely defenseless. Yes, its been argued that the proportionality of said defense will give you some leeway, but you NEVER hear about it going that way. Are there instances where home owners get away with defending their property? Almost certainly, I'm sure those aren't the stories being publicized.

Here's the thing though, if you have a family and your house is broken into by 2-3 dudes and they decide to corner you in your bed room that you've barricaded yourself in, are you clear to just start stabbing?

No, you're not. Now you have to wait to see what they are going to do to you or your family before you react which is the most bat-shit insane position to take, and under no circumstance can you use a weapon to defend yourself. You can say the law gives you room, but as you see with the OP you really don't.

As an American and "gun guy" this is absolutely insane to me. 3 dudes forced entry is a greenlight to start handing out 5.56 rounds in most cases. And it should be. Wait to see what they do is offensive to me.

 

[Gutter Chris]

In fairness, it can get sticky. Say someone wanted to murder someone. Invite them into your home, and murder them. Then carefully stage a break-in, and say you feared for your life.

Granted, it's an outlier of a problem, but criminal minds are gonna criminal mind, and take advantage of any little thing. This is how stupid laws like this get enacted.

I keep seeing the invite someone in and murder them line and it's fucking retarded. Cops are still going to investigate a dead body and the person who does this is a retard that's gonna get caught. Having no self defense laws because of a line like what if someone stages ....is straight fucking retarded and bad logic.


Lol your country and this case is making me irate.

 

[HereticBD]

I keep seeing the invite someone in and murder them line and it's fucking retarded. Cops are still going to investigate a dead body and the person who does this is a retard that's gonna get caught.

Most murderers will get caught, yes, but it still presents new challenges to investigators and juries to determine the guilt of bad actors. Murderers have gotten off on far more nuanced technicalities.

Having no self defense laws because of a line like what if someone stages ....is straight fucking retarded and bad logic.

Stupid laws get enacted because .5% of the population abuse the current system.

It's dumb for sure, since you're asking people to be mindful of a law in a life threatening situation. Just sayin', I don't think it's as simple as just wanting to protect criminals. There are potential unforeseen consequences with giving people such freedoms, that must be considered.

As for this case, yes, it's retarded. Especially since nobody died.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Our self defense laws are a complete joke and leave us completely defenseless. Yes, its been argued that the proportionality of said defense will give you some leeway, but you NEVER hear about it going that way. Are there instances where home owners get away with defending their property? Almost certainly, I'm sure those aren't the stories being publicized.

Here's the thing though, if you have a family and your house is broken into by 2-3 dudes and they decide to corner you in your bed room that you've barricaded yourself in, are you clear to just start stabbing?

No, you're not. Now you have to wait to see what they are going to do to you or your family before you react which is the most bat-shit insane position to take, and under no circumstance can you use a weapon to defend yourself. You can say the law gives you room, but as you see with the OP you really don't.

The fact that one would even need to hesitate about protecting his family or self in a situation like this and think about the legal ramifications is absolute insanity.

 

[jimjamjammer]

Pity. I have long said we need a thread to post our pics but few would do it

I wonder what kind of Subaru he drives?

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

Anyone breaking into my house, any time of the day I don’t care, better be expecting to get shot.

The general public sentiment seems to be against the idea of not having castle laws in place. When someone breaks in to your house at 3AM and you have no clue what their intentions are, in the animal kingdom, all is fair.

I'll bludgeon you to death with a baseball bat even when you're down to make sure you're not getting back up.

The idea that we need more information beyond that is what people are criticizing. Like, no you don't need anymore info, the breaking down of my door was enough.

I would say that once someone breaks into someone else’s home that should completely nullify any right that they have to protected by the law from deadly assault. To the extent that you don’t hold the person for hours torturing them. But beating their ass with a bat and then calling the authorities? Shooting them and calling the authorities? Fair game imo.

 

[Koro_11]

They haven’t given enough information about what the home owner did to the intruder for me to make an informed opinion, but the fact that police charged him with aggravated assault and assault with a weapon suggests to me that he either stabbed or bludgeoned the guy, and to an excessive level.

Basically aggravated assault charges stem from when you keep attacking someone when they’re already down. The police were probably able to determine the homeowner went full Wanderlei Silva with the stomps and soccer kicks on the guy that came into his home. Canada doesn’t have Castle Doctrine, so you cannot take things to that level unless you can demonstrate that it was necessary as part of self defense.

We’ll have to wait to learn more facts about the case to see exactly what happened for the police to feel charges were warranted.

There is a criminal in your home with a weapon, now you’ve got the better of him, and he’s on the ground, what are you supposed to do? Give him a chance to recover and possibly kill you, or escape and do it to someone else? Giving him the type of beating that will ensure he can no longer come after you seems reasonable to me.

Personally, I think that in such a situation you should be within your rights to kill him if you feel it’s necessary, but he didn’t even do that, although he obviously could have.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

There is a criminal in your home with a weapon, now you’ve got the better of him, and he’s on the ground, what are you supposed to do? Give him a chance to recover and possibly kill you, or escape and do it to someone else? Giving him the type of beating that will ensure he can no longer come after you seems reasonable to me.

Personally, I think that in such a situation you should be within your rights to kill him if you feel it’s necessary, but he didn’t even do that, although he obviously could have.

Repeat after me: I feared for my life. That's all you need.

 

[TUFNewb]

Where is the GoFundMe?

If Americans can give that black guy who murdered a teen at a track meet a million dollars Canadians can sure as hell help this fella out somehow.

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

As an American and "gun guy" this is absolutely insane to me. 3 dudes forced entry is a greenlight to start handing out 5.56 rounds in most cases. And it should be. Wait to see what they do is offensive to me.

Exactly my thought. 12 gauge 00 buck tho. Dont wanna miss

 

[MacGregor]

The only actual 'leader' in Canada, at least until Alberta secedes.

 

[Andy Capp]

lol @ introder

"I could tell by the wording on the headline some hilarious bullshit was coming"


Way to engender crudibility.

The guys who would prefer everyone to crowbar their asses open for criminals, have entered the chat.

Have you ever actually been a man?

He posted his picture in the lounge about a year or so ago, I was nice to him and said he looked good.

Spoiler

He looked like a mature lesbian.

I wonder what kind of Subaru he drives?

lol @ this bucket full of gotten to

You lot must cry yourselves to sleep every night you have read one of my posts.

Unless the intruder was literally retarded and the home-owner was three times his size and beat the intruder within an inch of his life, the charge of aggravated assault is dumb AF, but since we don't have any details of the event it seems wise to me to wait for further info.

This case has nothing to do with CBC reporting on the matter and that's what I was making fun of in my initial comment, you pathetic losers.

 

[Andy Capp]

If anyone wants a good analysis, this is a classmate of mine from law school who has a YouTube channel with over 300,000 subscribers (he really took off after attending the Johnny Depp trial in person and covering it). As a Canadian criminal defence lawyer he’s eminently more qualified than most to give comments about this. I haven’t watched it yet but I have no doubt he’ll have great insights and would recommend anyone that’s interested to give it a watch:

You haven't seen it but you recommend people watch it?

 

[nonoob]

Thing is, what's an "excessive level" when a guy breaks into your home armed and ready to do harm? Regardless of the technicalities of the law, I don't think many give a shit about what happens to a home invader.

When "The technicalities of the law" favor the criminal, that wasn't done by mistake.

Anyone breaking into my house, any time of the day I don’t care, better be expecting to get shot.

I would say that once someone breaks into someone else’s home that should completely nullify any right that they have to protected by the law from deadly assault. To the extent that you don’t hold the person for hours torturing them. But beating their ass with a bat and then calling the authorities? Shooting them and calling the authorities? Fair game imo.

You break into another person's home, you're fair game for any response.
It's rule #1 in a civilized society.

Home invaded? Subdue the threat, you and your family's life IS at stake.

Better tried by twelve than carried by six.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

You haven't seen it but you recommend people watch it?

Yeah, why not? Ian is a knowledgeable, talented Canadian criminal defense lawyer. He’s successfully argued before the Supreme Court of Canada a couple of times. He’d be among the most qualified individuals to give an informed analysis on this subject. Certainly more so than politicians like Doug Ford and Danielle Smith who can say whatever the fuck they want knowing full well that the federal government has exclusive jurisdiction over criminal law in Canada, so they can make any comments they like without the fear of being tasked with doing anything about the situation.

 

[Andy Capp]

Yeah, why not? Ian is a knowledgeable, talented Canadian criminal defense lawyer. He’s successfully argued before the Supreme Court of Canada a couple of times. He’d be among the most qualified individuals to give an informed analysis on this subject. Certainly more so than politicians like Doug Ford and Danielle Smith who can say whatever the fuck they want knowing full well that the federal government has exclusive jurisdiction over criminal law in Canada, so they can make any comments they like without the fear of being tasked with doing anything about the situation.

Re: the bold, I agree without reservation.

It's just that, spectacular resume notwithstanding, I'd hesitate to recommend anything I hadn't had any opportunity to evaluate myself.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

When "The technicalities of the law" favor the criminal, that wasn't done by mistake.



Home invaded? Subdue the threat, you and your family's life IS at stake.

Better tried by twelve than carried by six.

I would rather spend the rest of my life in prison than have my wife and I have to experience something like the golden state killer.