Television THE BOYS (Spinoff Series VOUGHT RISING Starring Jensen Ackles in the Works, post #4387)

[GearSolidMetal]

Love these trailera, especially when they're well edited like this one.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

His presence is really missed in S4.

 

[Jesus X]

Lol

 

[Jack Reacheround]

She tanked herself from an la 5 to an la 3

Agreed. This season has been solid so far though. Everything I expect from what I believe is the best show on TV in a long time. And that is in no small part due to Karl Urban. He has been amazing. The rest of the cast is great (fucking Giancarlo Esposito is really great). And the writing is superb.

 

[gatchaman]

A few things ...

Predictions with major comic spoilers ahead:

Spoiler

I think there was a camera in the Bad Room, which will tank Homelander's presidential bid and make him go one man military coup.

I was hoping Ryan would be the Black Noir of the comics, becoming an even bigger asshole than Homelander, but I don't know if this will pan out. There was a hint that Ryan might be more powerful than Homelander because his laser eyes did more damage to Stormfront than Homelander's.

I hope that if Billy starts killing the other Boys, it's not because of a mind control worm. In the comics, it was because all the Boys were supes, and Billy just hated supes. Billy is getting totally pussified this season; all of the Boys are.

 

[KnightTemplar]

A few things ...

Predictions with major comic spoilers ahead:

Spoiler

I think there was a camera in the Bad Room, which will tank Homelander's presidential bid and make him go one man military coup.

I was hoping Ryan would be the Black Noir of the comics, becoming an even bigger asshole than Homelander, but I don't know if this will pan out. There was a hint that Ryan might be more powerful than Homelander because his laser eyes did more damage to Stormfront than Homelander's.

I hope that if Billy starts killing the other Boys, it's not because of a mind control worm. In the comics, it was because all the Boys were supes, and Billy just hated supes. Billy is getting totally pussified this season; all of the Boys are.

Spoiler

Even if there is footage of Homelander painting the walls of the Bad Room with people's blood, I doubt that would stop him becoming President. Remember he murdered a man for throwing a cup of coffee at Ryan, and his fans cheered him.

This was, of course, a reference to Trump's infamous boast that he could shoot a man in the middle of Times Square and his fans would still vote for him. Given that Homelander is basically Trump with Superpowers at this point, I don't think his supporters will tuirn on him. And it's easy to spin as Homelander getting revenge on the people who abused him as a child; that's not even a lie.

I think Ryan will eventually kill Homelander, which in a sense has him fill the same role as Black Noir in the comics. But that obviously won't happen until the fifth and final season.

Billy in the comics was a high-functioning Psychopath. He murdered MM, Frenchie and the Female, Love Sausage(who's a friend and ally oif Billy's in the comics)and the Legend. He tried to kill every Supe in the world(including himself)with a dirty bomb that spread the same kind of virus they have in the show. The only person he cared more about than his hatred of Supes was Hughie, whom he regarded as a surrogate little brother.

Garth Ennis said he wrote Butcher as almost a deconstruction of the Bad Ass ex-Military Vigilante Trope: he wanted to show the toll being so utterly consumed and driven by hatred would take on a person in reality. Comic book Billy Butcher actually killed, "Ryan". He beat him to death after the Supe baby killed Becca by clawing his way out of her as a baby(this was actually referenced in season1).

 

[KnightTemplar]

His presence is really missed in S4.

Fans, "OMG, Homelander is the most vile character in the show!"

Soldier Boy, "Hold my beer, buddy".

It's a tribute to both actors that the scene where Soldier Boy tells Homelander he and Ryan are disappointments to him that I actually felt sorry for Homelander, even fleetingly. He's an irredeemable monster, but Homelander does, in his own incredibly twisted way, love Ryan and was desperate for his father's approval.

 

[HenryFlower]

Had no idea he/they were twins.

it’s how they get around a lot of child labor laws

 

[ssBaldy]

Fans, "OMG, Homelander is the most vile character in the show!"

Soldier Boy, "Hold my beer, buddy".

It's a tribute to both actors that the scene where Soldier Boy tells Homelander he and Ryan are disappointments to him that I actually felt sorry for Homelander, even fleetingly. He's an irredeemable monster, but Homelander does, in his own incredibly twisted way, love Ryan and was desperate for his father's approval.

I have a feeling Homelander had no chance to be decent. How much him being a monster is his own fault is open to discussion, but I just don't see him not becoming one in the circumstances he grew in.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I have a feeling Homelander had no chance to be decent. How much him being a monster is his own fault is open to discussion, but I just don't see him not becoming one in the circumstances he grew in.

Agreed. If Homelander had grown up with a Kent-style family, he may have ended up a genuine hero. Even Vogelbaum admits using him as a lab experiment was a tragic error that destroyed any chance of Homelander having a normal life.

 

[Strychnine]

I just realized how funny it would be if Hughies dad becomes a zombie

Hughie will have to put him down.

 

[Strychnine]

I have a feeling Homelander had no chance to be decent. How much him being a monster is his own fault is open to discussion, but I just don't see him not becoming one in the circumstances he grew in.

A literal product of the environment.

 

[KnightTemplar]

A literal product of the environment.

Nature vs Nurture.

Nurture won, and everyone else lost.

 

[gatchaman]

Spoiler

Even if there is footage of Homelander painting the walls of the Bad Room with people's blood, I doubt that would stop him becoming President. Remember he murdered a man for throwing a cup of coffee at Ryan, and his fans cheered him.

This was, of course, a reference to Trump's infamous boast that he could shoot a man in the middle of Times Square and his fans would still vote for him. Given that Homelander is basically Trump with Superpowers at this point, I don't think his supporters will tuirn on him. And it's easy to spin as Homelander getting revenge on the people who abused him as a child; that's not even a lie.

I think Ryan will eventually kill Homelander, which in a sense has him fill the same role as Black Noir in the comics. But that obviously won't happen until the fifth and final season.

Billy in the comics was a high-functioning Psychopath. He murdered MM, Frenchie and the Female, Love Sausage(who's a friend and ally oif Billy's in the comics)and the Legend. He tried to kill every Supe in the world(including himself)with a dirty bomb that spread the same kind of virus they have in the show. The only person he cared more about than his hatred of Supes was Hughie, whom he regarded as a surrogate little brother.

Garth Ennis said he wrote Butcher as almost a deconstruction of the Bad Ass ex-Military Vigilante Trope: he wanted to show the toll being so utterly consumed and driven by hatred would take on a person in reality. Comic book Billy Butcher actually killed, "Ryan". He beat him to death after the Supe baby killed Becca by clawing his way out of her as a baby(this was actually referenced in season1).

Spoiler

I think Butcher is a retelling of Ennis's Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe. Like Punisher, Butcher is motivated by wrathful revenge for the killing of his family. Butcher is genocidal in terms of his revenge, wanting to kill all supes.

In terms of the politics of the Boys, I think in terms of the deadly sins:

and also this:


which makes the politics of The Boys as follows:
The Boys: Right Authoritarian (Fascist, Wrath)
Supes (main enemy of the Boys, opposite politics): Left Libertarian (Anarchist, Gluttony)
Vought: Right Libertarian (Feudalist, Greed)
Homelander: Left Authoritarian (Communist, Envy)

Homelander is envious of James Stillwell (opposite politics), who is able to defeat any number of supes while not being a supe himself.

By Horseshoe theory, all authoritarians have totalitarianism as their end goal, which is why Hitler's National (Fascist) Socialism (Communist) can be considered at the center of the Left-Right spectrum. Similarly, Homelander aspires to be a god among men (Pride).

 

[KnightTemplar]

Spoiler

I think Butcher is a retelling of Ennis's Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe. Like Punisher, Butcher is motivated by wrathful revenge for the killing of his family. Butcher is genocidal in terms of his revenge, wanting to kill all supes.

In terms of the politics of the Boys, I think in terms of the deadly sins:

Spoiler

IIRC, Ennis has said that Butcher was the favourite character he had created.

There's an even darker version of the PKTMU. It's a Marvel Max one-shot called simply,

Punisher: The End

 

[gatchaman]

Spoiler

IIRC, Ennis has said that Butcher was the favourite character he had created.

There's an even darker version of the PKTMU. It's a Marvel Max one-shot called simply,

Punisher: The End

I edited my post after you replied to it.

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

Hughie will have to put him down.

Yes, that will be awful.

Funny because of Shaun of the Dead

 

[GearSolidMetal]

it’s how they get around a lot of child labor laws

No shit, or rather specifically follow the child labor laws.

Kids can only be on set 5 hours a day, and when there's identical twins that means they can be on set for 10 hours, one after the other.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This makes me wonder how the show would be different if Homelander has a secret identity, and he wasn't always 'Homelander."

 

[Question]