The Best MMA Organization (1998-2006)

[myjohnson9]

The guy OP quoted is an idiot.



Is was openly excepted on this site in 2006, that any pride top 10 could come to the ufc and win the Hw belt.

 

[Khabib Fan]

PRIDE even did freak show fights the right way. Minowaman was like a real life superhero on stage. The UFC has their freaks fight for real belts and then sell them as legit to the paying public.

 

[cheesus]

Nakamura at 6 ? Can't someone remind me why ?

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

Nakamura at 6 ? Can't someone remind me why ?

He had a bunch of good wins at LHW. Busta, Randleman, Igor, Kondo. Then he moved up, so I guess they ranked at HW? I remember him being a top 10 LHW, but not ranked at HW.

 

[acannxr]

Nakamura at 6 ? Can't someone remind me why ?

He had a bunch of good wins at LHW. Busta, Randleman, Igor, Kondo. Then he moved up, so I guess they ranked at HW? I remember him being a top 10 LHW, but not ranked at HW.

Based on his LHW wins, that's where FightMatrix ranked him when he moved up to Heavyweight to fight Barnett.

It's a flaw in my methodology, but I wasn't going to examine every quarter of the year; if I had evaluated the year by every quarterly ranking in the top ten for both Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight from 1998 to 2006, that would've been 720 fighters I would've had to examine instead of the 180 that were assigned for this thread.

 

[Threetrees]

The guy OP quoted is an idiot.



Is was openly excepted on this site in 2006, that any pride top 10 could come to the ufc and win the Hw belt.

Agreed

Accepted on the UG as well. UFC didn’t pass PRIDE officially until PRIDE no longer existed.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

Organizations were compared, yearly, based on how many of the top ten ranked fighters of the Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions had the majority of their fighters in each organization.

This specific time frame was chosen due to Pride having had only one event in 1997 and only two events in 2007, neither years of which would provide an apples to apples comparison with other MMA organizations.

Rankings were from January of the respective years.

In the event a fighter had no majority number of fights in a single organization (i.e. 1 fight in Pride and 1 fight in the UFC for a single year), or didn't fight at all for the year in the division of which they were ranked, they were assigned no organization.

In the event of a tie between organizations for a single year, the tie breaker was whichever organization had the highest ranked fighter (see 2004 Light Heavyweight).

I was inspired to create this thread due to this ignorant post:

Pride Score
Light Heavyweight: 7
Heavyweight: 6
Total: 13

Pancrase Score
Light Heavyweight: 1
Heavyweight: 3
Total: 4

UFC Score
Light Heavyweight: 1
Heavyweight: 0
Total: 1

The UFC only ever won once (LHW 2004) and it was the result of a tie breaker.

But that other guy keeps making threads saying how shit Pride was, who do we believe?

Props on the effort, I'm on a reminiscing trip rewatching old events at the moment, enjoying them more than most current cards

 

[acannxr]

The guy OP quoted is an idiot.



Is was openly excepted on this site in 2006, that any pride top 10 could come to the ufc and win the Hw belt.

Agreed

Accepted on the UG as well. UFC didn’t pass PRIDE officially until PRIDE no longer existed.

Just stop already.

I feel like most new fans get the sentiment that is expressed in the title.
Romanticism aside, Pride, DEEP, Dream etc were always second tier organizations when compared to the UFC.

But older fans seem, to me at least, to still attempt to combat this fact with poor arguments and revisionist history.
Much of PRIDE’s appeal relied on the flash, the pro-wrestling esque pop and circumstance that made every PRIDE event seem grander and more important than it probably was.

I think the other thing that makes older fans see PRIDE as a special organization were the tournaments, and that I can’t deny. But compared to the UFC PRIDE has always been a top heavy (and I mean that both in divisions, and in terms of teh divisions themselves) organization with a handful of elite guys and a bunch of cans.

Could you imagine in the UFC an elite HW fighting a guy in a Lucha libre mask? Look closer and you’ll see even era for era looking at the ENTIRE roster of both orgs the UFC has always had superior talent.

So when you’re looking historically at these two organizations and you’re thinking about MMA in the 2000s, just keep it in mind that the best MMA has always been competed in the USA.

 

[Threetrees]

Just stop already.

I’m sorry, just stop what?

 

[acannxr]

I’m sorry, just stop what?

Trolling; you created a thread saying that Pride was second tier compared to the UFC and are now pretending like you never had that thought to begin with, so just stop.

 

[Threetrees]

Trolling; you created a thread saying that Pride was second tier compared to the UFC and are now pretending like you never had that thought to begin with, so just stop.

I’m not protending any such thing. This is a different thread. You put together a good argument with data to support an empirical claim about one organization being better. When people have opinions and new data is introduced, they often change said opinions. Unlike you I’m not married to any one point I’ve made, and I’m not emotionally invested in this discussion. I am being perfectly consistent. Your thread has swayed me.

 

[acannxr]

This is a different thread.

This thread is a response to your thread, they're interconnected.

Unlike you I’m not married to any one point I’ve made, and I’m not emotionally invested in this discussion.

What's your evidence that I've been "married" to any of the points in my original post? What's your evidence that I'm emotionally invested in this discussion? For someone who's trying to describe him/herself as being detached and objective, making assertions about another person without evidence is nothing more than insults, and insults are derived from an emotional place.

 

[Threetrees]

This thread is a response to your thread, they're interconnected.


What's your evidence that I've been "married" to any of the points in my original post? What's your evidence that I'm emotionally invested in this discussion? For someone who's trying to describe him/herself as being detached and objective, making assertions about another person without evidence is nothing more than insults, and insults are derived from an emotional place.

You making a new thread in respond to mine is an example of being married to the point. That is my evidence. You can be married to a point and it not be a negative, you are in fact right about the point you’re making. And had you actually read through the thread you’d see that I already conceded points made to other posters. I have no problem admitting I was wrong in the other thread. You, ironically, made assertions about me trolling based on me politely complimenting your thread and agreeing with the points you made. Because again, I can change my mind based on good arguments.

You should really stop being so combative. I legitimately enjoyed this thread and thought it was well researched and put together. And I’d still be interested in seeing other weight classes but I can look those up myself and follow the methodology you were kind enough to post. If the preceding statements are trolling, then I apparently dont know what trolling is.

Thanks again.

 

[acannxr]

Uncle Chael spitting another truth.

See the OP.