Movies THE BATMAN (Dragonlord's Review)

[RentPayer]

I really enjoyed the film and give it an 8/10.
It's probably top three along with Batman (1989) and Batman Begins (2005).

 

[FemdomFilmFan]

 

[Papa Doc]

Yea not quite as good as TDK, but I think sequel has a chance of being better.

The released scene of Batman and unknown prisoner really entertained me.

 

[Papa Doc]

This guy knows which casting directors to give blowjobs to.

That scene with him, and the Riddler, was trash. Easily the worst 2 minutes of the 160 minute runtime. It was cheap, poorly scripted, poorly directed, and it made both villains look weak and pathetic.



-"A friend? I've never had one of those before."
-"Me neither! Do you want to be friends?"
-"I don't know. It may not be a friendly experience."
-"But maybe we can kill the Batman together in the sequel!"
-"With the power of friendship!"

Sorry, but Riddler just caused billions in dollars of property damage and an untold amount of deaths, including political assassinations that all required a very high level of intellect and genius...

...but he's practically retarded?

As for the Joker, wow... I could write for pages and pages of how he automatically is, as of now, the absolute worst live-action Joker and its not even close.

Its like Hollywood casting directors called him and asked if he would like to play Joker, and all he has to do is suck a thousand dicks. And there he is, didn't even need to get in character to smile that widely.

After such a great movie, those 2 minutes actually killed alot of the anticipation I have for the sequel. Who wants to see Riddler and Joker be a threat to Batman in the sequel? Yeah, not buying it.


One last thing... I was hoping there was going to be subtle references to Quintin Pheonix's Joker. That movie takes place in the 80s and Thomas & Martha Mayne die in the end. In The Batman's continuity Thomas & Martha Wayne die like 20 years before in 2001, highly implying the movie takes place in modern times.

Maybe it was the time period wasn't outright said in the 1st half in the movie, but due to Nirvana's 'Something In The Way' being Batman's theme I was thinking it could be set as little as 10 years after 2019's Joker movie, and there could have been an awesome cross-over between Robert Patterson's Batman and Quinton Phoenix's Joker.

But apparently not. Just a few changes in the script could have made it not only very possible but probable.

This guy is this continuity's Joker.

He looks like McLovin, but he's obviously too gay.

Did you think the gay cowboy from Brokeback Mountain would make a good Joker when that was announced?

 

[Corona]

The deleted scene wasn’t bad as a stand alone, but it doesn’t fit the film well. Although I didn’t like how joker instantly knows who he is, just seems pretty far fetched. He could obviously just be trolling.

also..

batcan was brutally outsmarted by riddler and would’ve never captured him had he not turned himself in.

the movie is basically a zodiac/seven clone and the joker scene is basically a silence of the lambs knock off.

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

Agreed, as a 30+ year(minus Leto) Joker "mark" the appearance seemed unnecessary. Also, as previously noted, it would have been a better ending if they stuck with the Riddler "outsmarting" Batman, and him learning/growing from that defeat in future films.

 

[FemdomFilmFan]

Agreed, as a 30+ year(minus Leto) Joker "mark" the appearance seemed unnecessary. Also, as previously noted, it would have been a better ending if they stuck with the Riddler "outsmarting" Batman, and him learning/growing from that defeat in future films.

What do you mean "mark"?

 

[JackWhite]

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

Hope he releases it. Penguin was the highlight of the movie for me. He felt like a comic book character but also that he could exist. That’s the line a modern Batman movie has to walk.

 

[PaleMoonlight]

The deleted scene wasn’t bad as a stand alone, but it doesn’t fit the film well. Although I didn’t like how joker instantly knows who he is, just seems pretty far fetched. He could obviously just be trolling.

also..

batcan was brutally outsmarted by riddler and would’ve never captured him had he not turned himself in.

the movie is basically a zodiac/seven clone and the joker scene is basically a silence of the lambs knock off.

Yeah, I don’t understand the praise it’s getting on how dark the movie is. If it just copies the plot of Se7en (even how villain turns himself in) and deleted Silence Of The Lambs scene, how is it such an engaging movie? We’ve seen it before.

 

[Mondo Freaks]

The deleted scene wasn’t bad as a stand alone, but it doesn’t fit the film well. Although I didn’t like how joker instantly knows who he is, just seems pretty far fetched. He could obviously just be trolling.

also..

batcan was brutally outsmarted by riddler and would’ve never captured him had he not turned himself in.

the movie is basically a zodiac/seven clone and the joker scene is basically a silence of the lambs knock off.

I think this is an amazing movie and I’ve seen it twice, but the way the Riddler was captured was a huge let down.

 

[Two Crows]

I actually love the chance they are taking with that joker look. However, like others have stated its way too soon in batmans "career" to introduce the greatest threat and foil of them all; and that's the fact he already beat him and put him into arkham is just super off. The riddler was a good introduction to batman having to deal with escalated opponents above street thugs and standard organized crime bosses. I know this is is supposed to before The Joker is even a thing and he's just some intelligent mental case, but it falls really flat.

Its going to be hard to integrate the character into Reeves world now but we see how they proceed.

The key here, the way out, is to portray Batman as the source of Joker's strength.

That is to say (to write?) that the Joker "rises to the challenge" of the Batman, that faced with overwhelming opposition he becomes overwhelming, that the stronger his enemy ... Batman Vs. the Gotham PD, the stronger the opposition the Joker is.

This could create a nice escalation dynamic. The wiser Batman becomes, the more experienced .. the more brutal and diabolically genius Joker becomes.

The end game is this; Joker is the villain Batman can never truly defeat. That's why in Batman Returns, Bruce Wayne breaks and kills him while Joker gloats, "I won". Joker wins in the end, no matter what Batman does, there is no right answer, he is the perpetual shadow of doubt and fear.

Even if he can never win physically, he always ultimately wins via some other method (cost, moral compromise, whatever).

 

[FemdomFilmFan]

Not to mention the other black Catwoman 18 years ago.

In fact, the number of live action black catwomen now does not equal the number of white catwomen at not 3 each.

Julie Newmar
Michelle Pfeiffer
Anne Hathaway
Lee Meriwether

vs

Eartha Kitt
Halle Berry
Zoe Kravitz

Uh...

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

And he was wrong, both in being untrue and in the attempt to get under Batman's skin, which further weakens his credibility as an antagonist.

One of the more subtle aspects of Ledger's Joker was... he never lied and he was always right, with the exception of the riverboat bombs. Everything else, from predicting Batman would go to China to abduct 'the squeiler,' Dent just needing 'a little push' to fall into madness, to his philosophy about nobody caring if a truck of soldiers gets blown up but everybody loses their minds if a mayor is assassinated... he was right throughout the film.

A Joker that is completely unpredictable, 'correct," and meticulous in his plan to cause absolute chaos throughout Gotham City is a far far more threatening villain than a deformed, pathetic, and 'wrong' Joker.

And the fact 'The Batman' would bother to seek that Joker's advice in regards to any investigation, as if he could be insightful to anything Batman wouldn't already know.... aug... makes that one of the weakest Batmans ever.

On top of that, Joker DIDN'T give him any relevant information.

Good thing that scene was cut. It wouldn't even be considered good fan service.

This is a bad take. He got under Batman’s skin twice in that scene. This is common for the joker and Batman when they have these types on interactions.


I don’t know what you were watching.

 

[Herwald]

Man... I wish Wayans had made a new, proper Scary Movie on the level of the first one. Instead we're still getting this capeshit prolefeed.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

My score: C-

It isn’t that Robert can’t be a great Batman, or that Zoe wasn’t good, I just think the story was mediocre, and the villain — the riddler — was badly portrayed.

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

 

[Pride23]

I saw it for the first time today. I liked it, didn't love it. It felt like it was missing something. They did a good job of building the world of Gotham and bringing you into it, the actual Batman looked 100x better than Ben Affleck's version and was played better. Zoe Kravitz can do no wrong in my eyes. It was missing something though.

 

[Kardashians]

For the Canadians, it’s now out on Crave.