The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

[BVG]

Here's the thing. He's right that it makes a difference in efficacy of the weapon in terms of better TA time with a pistol grip versus not. What I want to read him argue is why that's a reason they should be outlawed. Should a knife used for self defense only be so sharp, because after a certain sharpness its to effective at cutting someone?

I don't think being armed for self defense is a bad thing. But why would someone ever need enough arms to equip a platoon? And then I ask why stop there? Why not arm yourselves with a tank? You never know when you might need it to rise up against the government...the whole thing sounds a bit excessive, and is too easily used to do evil shit.

So I guess I gotta ask...if you feel the need to be armed well enough to equip a small army for those "just in case" moments...perhaps you need to evaluate the bigger picture that requires your needing that many weapons in order to feel safe.

 

[jlagman]

well at least someone finally admits that the design of a gun can make it more effective...

Yeah dude, that was his point, that the fucking grip, all by itself, makes it more COMBAT effective.

 

[Greoric]

As I mentioned in that previous shit show of a thread, it's efficacy is dictated by how it's implemented into the design and not the object in-and-of-itself. A pistol grip is retarded on a bolt action rifle with a tang safety as it requires you to relinquish your firing grip to operate. The same could be said for a field stock on an AR, with the safety/selector on the left side of the receiver.

Basically an accessory, as preferential and insignificant as a grip, is moot. Trying to dictate how one is somehow "deadlier" than another, especially in the wrong application, is downright moronic.

This is just another attempt at throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks. On one hand, you have politicians trying to appease the crowd by saying they respect 2nd Amendment right and that they're not out to take people's guns. Then attempt to do just that by targeting one of the most popular firearms and grasping at straws by misinforming people about the lethality of fucking accessories.

Yeah I got you, but I want him to continue along with his logic instead of allowing him to wallow on a debatable premise. Thus, let's suppose it is the case that pistol grips make a weapon system more effective. Therefore what? What line of efficacy is he drawing, and why?

 

[jlagman]

Yeah I got you, but I want him to continue along with his logic instead of allowing him to wallow on a debatable premise. Thus, let's suppose it is the case that pistol grips make a weapon system more effective. Therefore what? What line of efficacy is he drawing, and why?

In before some retarded shit about "armour piercing" rifle ammo.

 

[BVG]

Yeah dude, that was his point, that the fucking grip, all by itself, makes it more COMBAT effective.

Grip, the weight, the length of barrel...basically everything that is visually different between the two styles is that way to make it more combat effective.

get over it.

 

[jlagman]

Grip, the weight, the length of barrel...basically everything that is visually different between the two styles is that way to make it more combat effective.

get over it.

But your point was "Look at the grip (insert some ridiculous, misinformed, straw grasping shit about grips)."

You didn't defend your point well in that thread, let's see if you've learned from your mistakes.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

That might be the rules of the competition though...

I've never been to a competition and of all the people I've witnessed engaging in those sports not one has been using something with a pistol grip. One time at the range I had my Saiga 12 and some folks were just finishing up and wanted to know if we'd like them to let some clays fly. We said sure and everybody just sort of chuckled at the sight of it. None of them even cared to give it a try and absolutely nobody speculated that it was a more effective design.

 

[Greoric]

I don't think being armed for self defense is a bad thing. But why would someone ever need enough arms to equip a platoon? And then I ask why stop there? Why not arm yourselves with a tank? You never know when you might need it to rise up against the government...the whole thing sounds a bit excessive, and is too easily used to do evil shit.

So I guess I gotta ask...if you feel the need to be armed well enough to equip a small army for those "just in case" moments...perhaps you need to evaluate the bigger picture that requires your needing that many weapons in order to feel safe.

Well hold right there. Don't go shifting goal posts on me and talking about tanks and bullshit now. We're talking about pistol grips and ability to make a weapon more effective.

Let's consider that's the case. Therefore why should that make the weapon outlawed in and of itself? You can still target a single person with that add-on. Or is that just an arbitrary line that you're drawing on the way to your tank analogy?

 

[jlagman]

That might be the rules of the competition though...

It could also have to do with the fact that a pistol grip doesn't lend itself well to the design of a break-action over/under and pistol grips weren't in vogue during that era of hunting shotguns.

BTW, I'm not taking the piss out of you, I'm taking the piss out of the stupid fucking grip "argument".

 

[BVG]

But your point was "Look at the grip (insert some ridiculous, misinformed, straw grasping shit about grips)."

You didn't defend your point well in that thread, let's see if you've learned from your mistakes.

there was no mistake. one grip allows you to be combat ready, dive out of cover, quick aim...shoot run back into cover...reload...you know? combat shit. the other is designed to sit in deer piss for hours, take your time drink a coffee then blast some unsuspecting deer from behind a bush.

unless i'm mistaken, your not gonna be diving in and out of cover hunting deer...right?

your just not getting it.

 

[jlagman]

there was no mistake. one grip allows you to be combat ready, dive out of cover, quick aim...shoot run back into cover...reload...you know? combat shit. the other is designed to sit in deer piss for hours, take your time drink a coffee then blast some unsuspecting deer from behind a bush.

unless i'm mistaken, your not gonna be diving in and out of cover hunting deer...right?

your just not getting it.

LOL, you doubled down on the retardation.

So I guess duck hunters are less able to snap shoot, pop out of cover and reload because their shotguns have field stocks?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

 

[Greoric]

It could also have to do with the fact that a pistol grip doesn't lend itself well to the design of a break-action over/under and pistol grips weren't in vogue during that era of hunting shotguns.

Yeah perhaps. Come to think of it I manipulate shotguns much better with a traditional grip v. a pistol grip for sure. Then again that could just be because I'm more used to the former.

 

[jlagman]

Yeah perhaps. Come to think of it I manipulate shotguns much better with a traditional grip v. a pistol grip for sure. Then again that could just be because I'm more used to the former.

I feel the same way, I put a pistol grip stock on my 870 and it moved my firing hand away from all the controls.

I guess a fucking accessory like a grip has no bearing on how well someone can snap shoot and pop out of cover. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

 

[BVG]

LOL, you doubled down on the retardation.

So I guess duck hunters are less able to snap shoot, pop out of cover and reload because their shotguns have field stocks?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

oh i guess they are and the united states military is just doing it wrong?

lol you are such a thick headed dumb ass.

 

[jlagman]

oh i guess they are and the united states military is just doing it wrong?

lol you are such a thick headed dumb ass.

Dude, let's examine who the real dumbass is here, you literally think that an accessory, like a grip, can make someone shoot and pop out of cover faster. Next, you'll tell me that leather seats in a car makes it go faster.

LO-fucking-L

 

[BVG]

Dude, let's examine who the real dumbass is here, you literally think that an accessory, like a grip, can make someone shoot and pop out of cover faster. Next, you'll tell me that leather seats in a car makes it go faster.

LO-fucking-L

yes i do.

and literally every fucking military on the fucking planet agrees with this you stupid, ignorant sherbro poster.

el oh el.

 

[Islam Imamate]

there was no mistake. one grip allows you to be combat ready, dive out of cover, quick aim...shoot run back into cover...reload...you know? combat shit. the other is designed to sit in deer piss for hours, take your time drink a coffee then blast some unsuspecting deer from behind a bush.

unless i'm mistaken, your not gonna be diving in and out of cover hunting deer...right?

your just not getting it.

I'm no gunman but I'd imagine whatever advantage a person might get out of a pistol grip pales in comparison to the advantage one gets from other accessories like a scope and I don't think scopes are often included in the so called assault weapons ban.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

oh i guess they are and the united states military is just doing it wrong?

lol you are such a thick headed dumb ass.

The military also uses 5.56 as its standard round, even though 30 caliber rounds have MUCH more penetration.

 

[Greoric]

there was no mistake. one grip allows you to be combat ready, dive out of cover, quick aim...shoot run back into cover...reload...you know? combat shit. the other is designed to sit in deer piss for hours, take your time drink a coffee then blast some unsuspecting deer from behind a bush.

unless i'm mistaken, your not gonna be diving in and out of cover hunting deer...right?

your just not getting it.

What if someone wants to use it for home self defense? That's not a high stress situation that would require someone to manipulate the weapon as quickly as possible?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

So what I'm hearing is that outlawing pistol grips would make my firearm less effective. That sounds like the definition of an infringement.