The 12th Republican Presidential Debate 2016 by CNN/Salem/Washington Times [March 10] [8:30pm EST]

Say what you will about Donny, but he's waaaaaay better than the Nuge. The Nuge is an imbecile of immeasurable proportion.
You ever read his Facebook posts, damn are they insane. The guy writes like someone who didn't finish fifth grade English not to mention the people who comment on his posts are just as bad if not worse than him. Seen a few posts calling for the assassination of Obama. So yeah a Trump/Nugent Presidency would be the worst Presidency in the history of this country
 
My problem with Trump is he says very good deal or a great deal BUT he never goes into specifics about said deal
I say this all the time. That is all he says. He reminds me of the guy quoting Vickers in Good Will Hunting, that Matt Damon eviscerates. That is Trump, he never answers policy and just uses word salad to answer questions. It is amazing people buy his bullshit.
 
I say this all the time. That is all he says. He reminds me of the guy quoting Vickers in Good Will Hunting, that Matt Damon eviscerates. That is Trump, he never answers policy and just uses word salad to answer questions. It is amazing people buy his bullshit.

That's because the details are dependent on too many factors to get across in a hypothetical in the short time.

It's a little leap of faith you have to take.
 
Looks like online polls all have The Don winning the debate with about 80% of the vote.

That's one more for The Good Guy.
 
That's because the details are dependent on too many factors to get across in a hypothetical in the short time.

It's a little leap of faith you have to take.

It's ridiculous when people want the US to show its hand at all times; it's the same reason we why have these bozo generals and Obama go on TV and tell ISIS exactly when, where, what time, and the exact latitude and longitude for our attacks.

A little element of surprise, folks.

From Harvard University Law School's own Program of Negotiation:

In all your negotiations, you must calculate the risks and rewards of sharing information with your counterpart. Here, we consider four types of information that may be best kept under wraps: sensitive or privileged information, information that isn’t yours to share, information that diminishes your power, and information that may fluctuate.

http://www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/when-not-to-show-your-hand/
 
I read his response on climate change. Was not a fan.

I usually feel like I'm pretty good on political predictions, but Rubes has woefully underachieved. I thought he'd be the favorite by now.

I never got the Rubio appeal tbh. You either go for a guy with a solid record of pushing forth legislation and/or executive experience or someone with new and original ideas and I haven't seen either from Rubio. Maybe I'm not looking.

I lean right based on free trade and I tend to be hawkish to an extent.

With that said I'm probably voting unless it's Trump vs Clinton (I'll go Clinton) or Kasich vs Sanders (I'll go Kasich).

The GOP needs to get their house in order. Cruz pissed me off with tying to shut down the TPA over import/export bank along with other things.
 
I say this all the time. That is all he says. He reminds me of the guy quoting Vickers in Good Will Hunting, that Matt Damon eviscerates. That is Trump, he never answers policy and just uses word salad to answer questions. It is amazing people buy his bullshit.
they all do… Why is Trump held to a different standard? "We have to stop China from building in the South China Sea" really? How are you going to stop them? Everything is either a diplomatic negotiation or force by war when it comes to any type of intervention around the world. Hillary just word gymnastics and says nothing, Bernie Sanders just keep saying the game is rigged and everything is free for all. Rubio is actually the most substantive, but proved himself to be phony and controlled by special interests. I don't know if Trump would make a good president not but things will only change if him or Bernie get elected
 
Still going through it but found it funny when Trump said the delegate number he needed to get to as "random". Uhh, it's half the number of delegates Trump.
 
Still going through it but found it funny when Trump said the delegate number he needed to get to as "random". Uhh, it's half the number of delegates Trump.

I was thinking the same thing, thought Cruz was going to blast him for it but everyone surrendered. Trumpets too much of a dominant force
 
they all do… Why is Trump held to a different standard? "We have to stop China from building in the South China Sea" really? How are you going to stop them? Everything is either a diplomatic negotiation or force by war when it comes to any type of intervention around the world. Hillary just word gymnastics and says nothing, Bernie Sanders just keep saying the game is rigged and everything is free for all. Rubio is actually the most substantive, but proved himself to be phony and controlled by special interests. I don't know if Trump would make a good president not but things will only change if him or Bernie get elected
I will say that one of the many reasons Trump is held to a different standard is because he holds himself to a different standard. He has no experience and has had no skin in any game until this year, so a lot of times people are going to want him to be more thorough with his responses.
 
It's ridiculous when people want the US to show its hand at all times; it's the same reason we why have these bozo generals and Obama go on TV and tell ISIS exactly when, where, what time, and the exact latitude and longitude for our attacks.

A little element of surprise, folks.

From Harvard University Law School's own Program of Negotiation:



http://www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/when-not-to-show-your-hand/

Speaking of generals it really is amazing how quickly and totally Obama purged all the generals with differing opinions from positions of command.

Virtually every high ranking officer in all branches have been muzzled under this administration, and to be fair in every administration since Truman.

Even since it became clear MacArthur during Korea was more popular than the president there has been a concerted effort by the political class to ensure no high ranking member of the military has been given too much authority or allowed to express their opinions openly no matter their skill or competency of command.

An interesting case is after the resounding victory in the gulf war there was a widespread movement in the officer corps and veterans community to have Colin Powell and Norman Schwarzkopf promoted to General of the Army. The Clinton Administration buried that and made it clear the reason was they did not want to give Powell or Schwarzkopf ammo for a presidential run. Same thing was talked about after Petraeus experience success in Iraq and Afghanistan and lo and behold he got scandalized within a year.

From 1783-1932 There were 11 presidents who were also generals. From 1932-2020 there will have been only 1 Eisenhower who was known for not for being a great tactical mind, but being the best politician which is why he was chosen to command allied forces.

The vast majority of high ranking officers know to tow the line while active, and those that gain to much renown typically get retired or stationed to some command in Kansas.
 
I'd say they are always agreeing with him but it's not even that. They aren't even listening.
I like to play that game when I visit my parents. I will say something completely random and off the wall to my mother, while my step dad is doing something. My mom will ask if I am serious, and I always just say "Of course I am serious, it makes perfect sense. Right Roy?" And he just agrees with me.
 
Speaking of generals it really is amazing how quickly and totally Obama purged all the generals with differing opinions from positions of command.

Virtually every high ranking officer in all branches have been muzzled under this administration, and to be fair in every administration since Truman.

Even since it became clear MacArthur during Korea was more popular than the president there has been a concerted effort by the political class to ensure no high ranking member of the military has been given too much authority or allowed to express their opinions openly no matter their skill or competency of command.

An interesting case is after the resounding victory in the gulf war there was a widespread movement in the officer corps and veterans community to have Colin Powell and Norman Schwarzkopf promoted to General of the Army. The Clinton Administration buried that and made it clear the reason was they did not want to give Powell or Schwarzkopf ammo for a presidential run. Same thing was talked about after Petraeus experience success in Iraq and Afghanistan and lo and behold he got scandalized within a year.

From 1783-1932 There were 11 presidents who were also generals. From 1932-2020 there will have been only 1 Eisenhower who was known for not for being a great tactical mind, but being the best politician which is why he was chosen to command allied forces.

The vast majority of high ranking officers know to tow the line while active, and those that gain to much renown typically get retired or stationed to some command in Kansas.

Good post.

Before Truman's controversial dismissal of General McArthur, the Civilian-Military Relations struggle started with the Revolt of the Admirals right after World War II, also involving Truman.

This delicate balance is the reason while I'm particularly fond of (most) Presidential candidates who were decorated war heroes and know what it's like in the real world and call it like it is (i.e John McCain), rather than the chickenhawks who were raised to be politicians and only understand the game by theories on paper.
 
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5 takeaways from the Republican debate
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 1:42 AM ET, Fri March 11, 2016



Miami (CNN) - This was Donald Trump's moment of Zen.

A chastened Florida Sen. Marco Rubio got back to basics. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz focused on his pitch to become the sole Trump alternative. And Ohio Gov. John Kasich kept up his routine of staying above the fray.

All of which allowed Trump to drop his usual insults and try on a new hat: party unifier.

It was the final debate before Tuesday's winner-take-all elections in Florida and Ohio and delegate-rich contests in Illinois, North Carolina and Missouri.

Here are five takeaways.


1. The "civil" debate

No name-calling. No personal insults about "hand" size. No moderator-bashing.

What came over these guys?

"So far I cannot believe how civil it's been up here," Trump said early on, when he noticed no one was jumping on him.

Make no mistake: Trump benefitted the most from the relative niceness on stage. Nothing that happened Thursday night will dent his status as the Republican front-runner -- particularly as the delegate math grows increasingly daunting for his rivals.

That the candidates were straining to play nice was especially clear when Trump and his rivals were asked about the violence at Trump's rallies.

Trump said he didn't condone it. And while his opponents spoke out against violence in general, they didn't blame Trump for creating a culture that encourages it -- instead trying to tap into the anger and frustration within the GOP themselves.

"How many of you all feel disrespected by Washington?" Cruz said, looking to the audience to help explain the anger many Republicans -- including Trump supporters -- are feeling. "Washington isn't listening to the people."


2. There was substance, but was it substantive?

Yes, in dropping their personal attacks, the candidates spent more time addressing policy issues like the debt, trade, immigration and education.

But even though CNN's moderators pressed for specifics, many of the candidates' answers offered only a brief, often broad-brush mention of how they'd attempt to solve the problems before them.

Asked about torture techniques like waterboarding, Trump said: "We have to obey the laws, but we have to expand those laws" -- without explaining how he'd like to see them expanded.

On how he'd shore up Social Security, Trump seemed to suggest he'd pull the U.S. military support in Germany, Japan and South Korea to pay for the program.

Cruz promised to end Common Core, even though it's being implemented by individual states, not the federal government.

"If I am elected president, in the first days as president, I will direct the Department of Education that Common Core ends that day," he said.

Cruz, however, was the most effective in pressing Trump for more details, particularly on addressing the deficit.

The Texas senator said he'd eliminate five major agencies, accounting for 25 programs, and cut $500 billion total.

"You've got to be willing to take on the lobbyists, which means not just some fanciful waste, fraud and abuse but specifying, 'These are the programs I would eliminate,'" Cruz said.


3. Trump holds to his line on Islam

Rubio's attack on Trump's comment that Islam hates Americans stood out: It was pitch-perfect for a general election.

Pressed about his remark Wednesday night in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Trump at the debate decried political correctness -- teeing up Rubio for one of the most memorable lines of the night.

"I'm not interested in being politically correct -- I'm interested in being correct," he said, continuing that the U.S. depends on the support of Muslims to fight ISIS and that there are loyal American soldiers who are adherents of Islam.

Many Republican primary voters, though, are flocking to Trump while Rubio's support drops.

Trump might have been shaky on Israel, seemed to call for a massive troop deployment to Syria and dismissed Tiananmen Square as a riot.

But Trump is certain he has tapped into something, and sees no political reason at this point to tone down his provocative comments on Muslims.

That much was clear when Trump was asked whether he stood by his claim that all of Islam hates the United States. "A lot of them" do, he said.


4. Rubio's strong night

Rubio seemed to revert to form Thursday night.

Instead of hounding Trump with rapid-fire attacks that had the effect of diminishing him, as he did at the previous debate, Rubio flashed the optimistic message that excited donors and supporters in the first place.

He displayed his foreign policy expertise -- an advantage he has over the rest of the GOP field -- to make a sober case against Trump.

"Presidents can't just say anything they want. It has consequences around the world," he said in a spirited exchange about Trump's comments on Islam.

Rubio also won over the hometown crowd with his attack on President Barack Obama's move to open up diplomatic and economic relations with Cuba.

"Here's a good deal -- Cuba has free elections, Cuba stops putting people in jail for speaking out, Cuba has freedom of the press. ... And you know what? Then we can have a relationship with Cuba. That's a good deal," Rubio said.

Will it be enough to turn Trump's 2-to-1 lead in the Florida polls upside down before Tuesday's election? Perhaps not. But Rubio is only 44 years old -- and replacing the negative impression he might have left in recent days was important both now and for his long-term future.

After the debate, Rubio said he's done with the personal Trump attacks and that he'll "never go back into that gutter again" because it conflicts with his faith and with his family's expectations of him.

"I regret doing that very much," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "and I'll never do that again."


5. Republicans sound like Democrats on trade

Protectionism is all the rage in the Republican Party, and it's not just Trump's drumbeat of China-bashing.

The best indicator of how Trump has changed 2016's landscape was that the entire presidential slate of America's traditionally pro-trade party fielded a question about the topic by ripping free trade with the kind of populist talk that typically comes out of union halls and liberal interest groups.

Sure, they said they like trade in theory. But they all lambasted it in practice.

Rubio criticized the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying the United States has made a bad deal with Mexico.

Cruz dismissed international negotiations over a deal that would eliminate barriers to service industry trade as "another treaty to allow services to come in and take jobs from Americans as well."

Kasich blasted the World Trade Organization, dismissing the trade arbiter as "some international bureaucrat," and suggested that the United States needs new ways to impose taxes on foreign goods.

This was Trump's turf, though, and he pitched himself as the only one capable of striking better trade deals.

"I'm the one that knows how to change it. Nobody else on this dais knows how to change it like I do. Believe me," Trump said.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/republican-debate-takeaways/
 
Kasich gaining momentum? That's laughable.

He said at a rally in Michigan that it was a must-win there, and he spent millions in advertising there. He placed third, behind Cruz, who spent $1000 to get on the ballad.

I'm curious if I should be hoping Trump wins Ohio, just so Kasich would go away. But that's alot of delegates to give up to Trump.

How poetic.
 
Best Lines of the 12th Republican Debate in Florida
By PAOLA CHAVEZ
Mar 10, 2016, 11:06 PM ET


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The final four GOP candidates went head to head in Coral Gables, Florida, Sen. Marco Rubio's home court.

But before the March madness unraveled, the debate kicked off with a moment of silence in honor of the late Nancy Reagan.

Here are the best lines of the debate hosted by CNN at the University of Miami:


ON THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
SEN. TED CRUZ: “This election is about you and your children. It's about the freedom America has always had.”

DONALD TRUMP: “Frankly, the Republican establishment, or whatever you want to call it, should embrace what's happening. We're having millions of extra people join. We are going to beat the Democrats. We are going to beat Hillary [Clinton] or whoever it may be. And we're going to beat them soundly.”

ON IMMIGRATION
GOV. JOHN KASICH: “I believe in immigration, but it has to be controlled.”

“I'd be maybe running for president of Croatia if we didn't have immigration. Immigration is something that brings youths and vibrance and energy to our country. We clearly have to control our borders. We can't have people just walking in. We lock our doors at home at night. The country has to be able to lock its doors as well,” the Ohio governor added.

ON BEN CARSON
TRUMP: “I was with Dr. Ben Carson today, who is endorsing me, by the way, tomorrow morning.”

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson told ABC News Thursday he is leaning in the direction of endorsing Trump.

ON EDUCATION
KASICH: “We ought to get them to pursue their God-given talents and connect them with the things that give them passion.”

ON SOCIAL SECURITY
SEN. MARCO RUBIO: “There are about 3 million seniors in Florida, with Social Security and Medicare. One of them is my mother, who happens to be here today. I'm against any changes to Social Security that are bad for my mother.”

TRUMP: “I want you to understand the Democrats, and I've watched them very intensely, even though it's a very, very boring thing to watch, that the Democrats are doing nothing with Social Security. They are leaving it the way it is. They want to increase it.”

Trump later said, “So far, I cannot believe how civil it's been up here.”

ON TRUMP’S SAYING ‘ISLAM HATES US’
When asked by debate moderator Jake Tapper whether his comment that “Islam hates us” meant all 1.6 billion Muslims, Trump responded by saying, “I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them.”

He added, “Well, you know, I've been watching the debate today. And they're talking about radical Islamic terrorism or radical Islam. But, I will tell you there's something going on that maybe you don't know about, and maybe a lot of other people don't know about, but there's tremendous hatred. And I will stick with exactly what I said to Anderson Cooper.”

RUBIO: “Let me say, I know that a lot of people find appeal in the things Donald says because he says what people wish they could say. The problem is presidents can't just say anything they want. It has consequences here and around the world.”

Trump hit back, “Marco talks about consequences. Well, we've had a lot of consequences, including airplanes flying into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and could have been the White House.”

“I don't want to be so politically correct,” Trump added. “I like to solve problems. We have a serious, serious problem of hate. There is tremendous hate. There is tremendous hate.”

“Politically correct,” Rubio replied. “I'm not interested in being politically correct. I'm interested in being correct.”

CRUZ: “The answer is not to yell, ‘China, bad, Muslim, bad.’ You have to understand the nature of the threats we're facing and how you deal with them.”

ON ISIS
TRUMP: “We have to knock out ISIS. We have to knock the hell out of them.”

ON DIPLOMATIC TIES WITH CUBA
“I would love a relationship between Cuba and the United States to change, but it would require Cuba to change, at least its government,” Cuban-American Rubio said.

TRUMP: “I do agree something should take place. After 50 years, it’s enough time, folks.”

ON CLIMATE CHANGE
“Sure, the climate is changing and one of the reasons is because the climate has always been changing,” Rubio said. “A law that we can pass in Washington to change the weather, there's no such thing.”

ON VLADIMIR PUTIN
KASICH: “Mr. Putin, you better understand you're either with us or against us.”

TRUMP: “I think Putin has been a strong leader for Russia. He's been a lot stronger than our leader and that doesn't mean I'm endorsing Putin.”

The New York real estate mogul added, “I don't say that as a good way or bad way. I say it as a fact.”

ON TRUMP’S RALLIES
When asked to comment on video that surfaced of a protester being punched by a man attending a Trump rally Wednesday, Trump said, “I certainly do not condone that at all, Jake.”

Trump went on, “we have some protesters who are bad dudes, they have done bad things. They are swinging, they are really dangerous.”

Cruz fired back, saying, “The only hand raising I'm interested in doing is on January 20, 2017, raising my hand with the left hand on the bible.”

Trump said, “Everyone's laughing, we're all having a good time. That's why I have much bigger crowds than Ted, because we have a good time at mine.”

ON A CONTESTED CONVENTION
TRUMP: “First of all, I think I'm going to have the delegates, OK?

“There's two of us up here that can [have the delegates] and there are two of us that cannot, at this moment. By the way, that is not meant to be a criticism, that's just a mathematical fact, OK?

“I think that whoever gets the most delegates should win.”

“Make me president,” Trump said under his breath.

Cruz joked, “Donald, you are welcome to be president of the Smithsonian.”

ON TUESDAY’S PRIMARIES
RUBIO: “On Tuesday night, I didn't do as well, obviously, as I wanted to and I was a little bit disappointed,” the Florida senator admitted.

“My wife told me a story that night. There's a gentleman here in South Florida who just got out of surgery. His doctors told him he needs to be home resting. Every day, he sits outside of a polling center and holds a sign that says, ‘Marco Rubio.’”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/best-lines-republican-debate-florida/story?id=37562472
 
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