That’s right, another weight cut thread

[jeff7b9]

They didnt, why they didnt? Cause its not followed by everyone else, fighters that violate the weigh-cutting rules in California rarely will fight there again, or ever, but if ALL AC´s follow the rules then said fighter wont have a place to fight...This includes the UFC following the rules when going overseas, if no one else follows then it fixes nothing, like it currently is.

CSAC made rules and guidelines 7 years ago.

There is zero evidence that anything changed.

Tons of fighters have fought in California and the majority gained back way more than the 10% guideline with fighters on pretty much every card exceeding the supposed 15% maximum and not a God damn thing happened.

Oh shit... I forgot.

Some people got to pat themselves on the back because they "did something"


Problem solved.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Cliffs or GTFO

It's 1:49, TikTok brain.

It is a skill like anything else in MMA. If a fighter cuts too much weight he is going to likely pay for it inside the cage.

While you are correct that weight cutting will always be around, I kind of disagree on it as a "skill."
The skills on display in an MMA fight are what help a man win a fight, his actual technique.

While a bad weight cut definitely can be detrimental, I think it's less a "skill" and just a trial and error thing where you know how many pounds you can actually take off before Smothermanning yourself. Physiological limit testing and I'd reckon definitely a genetic component with some of the guys who are able to cut 40lbs.

"Just don't do the thing I don't like"

Said all the tards with no viable solutions and nothing of value to contribute

Then they all lived happily ever after.

There is no real viable solution outside of the numbers telling fighters cutting less weight like Jiri is actually better, making them change habits.

 

[jeskola]

It's 1:49, TikTok brain.

Fuck off with that, I am not watching some bullshit YouTuber with no cliffs. Your attempt at an insult isn't even applicable to this situation.

 

[El Fernas]

CSAC made rules and guidelines 7 years ago.

There is zero evidence that anything changed.

Tons of fighters have fought in California and the majority gained back way more than the 10% guideline with fighters on pretty much every card exceeding the supposed 15% maximum and not a God damn thing happened.

Oh shit... I forgot.

Some people got to pat themselves on the back because they "did something"


Problem solved.

Did you read my post? Which fighter of those who violated the rules, fought again in California? If one fighter gets suspended because of PED´s not even the UFC will offer them a fight, if one state suspends a fighter the others will respect the suspension, it doesnt happen with any of CSAC weigh-in rules. Read my post.

 

[jeff7b9]

There is no real viable solution outside of the numbers telling fighters cutting less weight like Jiri is actually better, making them change habits.

Sadly, I agree.

The same handful of bad ideas tend to circulate, all of them rooted in a foundation of not actually thinking the situation through.

I'm not saying there is no possible solution, but we are much much closer to "nah homie that's just the way it is" than we are to "problem solved."


If there is a solution it will be

- expensive
- complicated
- implemented after someone dies

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Your attempt at an insult isn't even applicable to this situation.

It really is, as cliff notes are usually used in order to shorten something long down to a consumable dose. This is already short, hence, tiktok brain.

Fuck off with that, I am not watching some bullshit YouTuber with no cliffs. Your attempt at an insult isn't even applicable to this situation.

You have some list of approved youtubers you watch exclusively? Freak.

Sadly, I agree.

The same handful of bad ideas tend to circulate, all of them rooted in a foundation of not actually thinking the situation through.

I'm not saying there is no possible solution, but we are much much closer to "nah homie that's just the way it is" than we are to "problem solved."


If there is a solution it will be

- expensive
- complicated
- implemented after someone dies

Agree 100%. Fighters are, by definition, meatheads. They will follow the herd, so there will need to be 2-3 champions saying "I dont cut any weight and that specifically helped me take gold"

 

[jeff7b9]

Did you read my post? Which fighter of those who violated the rules, fought again in California? If one fighter gets suspended because of PED´s not even the UFC will offer them a fight, if one state suspends a fighter the others will respect the suspension, it doesnt happen with any of CSAC weigh-in rules. Read my post.

So you acknowledge that zero fighters in total have been prevented from weight cutting or limited in any way at all aside from possibly choosing not to fight in California next time to avoid a hypothetical slap on the wrist which you can not prove actually exists?



TLDR: show me ANYTHING AT ALL that has been changed by the CSAC magical piece of paper.

 

[jeskola]

It really is, as cliff notes are usually used in order to shorten something long down to a consumable dose. This is already short, hence, tiktok brain

Except there was no shortening. It was a loser YouTube video probably made by you or one of your loser friends.

I am not watching that and neither would any other self-respecting sherdogger. Go jerk off to mr Beast ya twink ass bitch

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Except there was no shortening.

Exactly, there was no shortening, no cliff notes, as they were not necessary since the video is less than two minutes long. You would only need that shortened if you had a damaged brain.

It was a loser YouTube video probably made by you or one of your loser friends.

Oh, I forgot you are an actual mongoloid. Carry on Jes, we don't want you late to your feeding trough.

 

[jeskola]

Exactly, there was no shortening, no cliff notes, as they were not necessary since the video is less than two minutes long. You would only need that shortened if you had a damaged brain.


Oh, I forgot you are an actual mongoloid. Carry on Jes, we don't want you late to your feeding trough.

My dad can beat up your dad, and my dad died 31 years ago

 

[jeff7b9]

 

[Slapjit]

As a new fan of UFC I am surprised and very disappointed that weight cutting is happening in nearly all mma fights. It's dangerous to their health and must be stopped, or at least frowned upon.

This is why I #Respect the Bravery of #PowerSlap Warriors, as most do not cut weight. The few that try usually end up getting destroyed by superior Strikers. To me, fighting should be about Honor and commitment to your craft, not some ritual display of suffering. That said, I agree with Cro Cop go up and bang with larger men if you really want to see what you're made of.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

It's fine everyone is a pussy. But saying Conor should fight LHWs is stupid. He can't fight anyone that isn't cutting weight. So it makes no difference if they cut to be in the same weight classes or not. Weight cutting is just the best answer right now to get fighters in the same weight class. UFC isn't going to do pride style LW vs HW shit with 2 skilled opponents.

Yeah I mean fighters cut because everyone else does, it just brings you to par really. I hate the weight cutting too but not sure what can be done.

 

[El Fernas]

So you acknowledge that zero fighters in total have been prevented from weight cutting or limited in any way at all aside from possibly choosing not to fight in California next time to avoid a hypothetical slap on the wrist which you can not prove actually exists?



TLDR: show me ANYTHING AT ALL that has been changed by the CSAC magical piece of paper.

Its like you dont ready any of my posts...it doesnt work because there are other 49 or so AC´s, and those 49 dont follow the same rules, its not the system, which could or could not work, it doesnt work because no one else follows it, could be shit, or could be bulletproof, it doesnt matter because if they suspend someone they wont return to California anyway, if the other AC´s follow then we could say if the system works or not...

Basically what i said in my initial comment...

CSAC has a "system", if every AC and the UFC follows it that should be good for it.

 

[jeff7b9]

Its like you dont ready any of my posts...it doesnt work because there are other 49 or so AC´s, and those 49 dont follow the same rules, its not the system, which could or could not work, it doesnt work because no one else follows it, could be shit, or could be bulletproof, it doesnt matter because if they suspend someone they wont return to California anyway, if the other AC´s follow then we could say if the system works or not...

Basically what i said in my initial comment...

I have debated this with a lot of people over the years and at least you offered an attempt at a solution, which puts you at possibly the best idea I have encountered.


Which boils down to:

Someone tried a thing.
for 7 years.
It didn't work, and didn't change anything .


But maybe...

... If EVERYONE tries it

It will work.


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This is a phenomenon I refer to as

"we need DO SOMETHING."



I fall on the opposing side of this philopshy because I counter this with the question:

Is the solution you want to do going to be any better than the problem?


If not.... then no, we do not need to do something, because ... it will make things worse.



If the best solution we can come up with is "let's do the thing that already didn't work'

I don't consider this to be progress



Think about it...
What does ths CSAC plan ...DO?

It attempts to limit the fighters ability to RE-Hydrate.


Does that prevent weigh cutting? No
Does that limit weight cutting? Not really
Does that make fighters safer? ..NO
Does that make fighting MORE DANGEROUS? Yes



If dehydrated fighters getting brain damage is the answer
- your question is retarded.

Moving in the wrong direction is not progress

 

[El Fernas]

"let's do the thing that already didn't work'

I feel like im just repeating myself here, language barrier issue maybe? Here it goes, again...

They have NOT done it!!!! 49 out of 50 states have NOT done it, so its not "lets do the thing we already did and it didnt work", they have not done it, the UFC doesnt follow it, the other 49 states dont follow it, CSAC proposed a system no one else followed, simple as that, its not like they did it and didnt work, they didnt do it.

Imagine at one point, before sports got sanctioned, a state, Nevada to name one, proposes, "hey, why not test for PED? We suspend the fighters that violate it", but only Nevada does it, does it work? No, it wouldnt work, because they need the other 49 states to do the same rules...its not the system, its the 49 states, and the UFC mostly, not caring about it, the UFC could follow the same rules, but they are the promoters, once a few fighters die from causes that could be related to weight-cut they might do something, once a main event guy walks off the scale and falls on his face, has to be carried away, then they might do something, its not the system, its the other 49 states and the UFC not following it.

 

[jeff7b9]

I feel like im just repeating myself here, language barrier issue maybe? Here it goes, again...

They have NOT done it!!!! 49 out of 50 states have NOT done it, so its not "lets do the thing we already did and it didnt work", they have not done it, the UFC doesnt follow it, the other 49 states dont follow it, CSAC proposed a system no one else followed, simple as that, its not like they did it and didnt work, they didnt do it.

Imagine at one point, before sports got sanctioned, a state, Nevada to name one, proposes, "hey, why not test for PED? We suspend the fighters that violate it", but only Nevada does it, does it work? No, it wouldnt work, because they need the other 49 states to do the same rules...its not the system, its the 49 states, and the UFC mostly, not caring about it, the UFC could follow the same rules, but they are the promoters, once a few fighters die from causes that could be related to weight-cut they might do something, once a main event guy walks off the scale and falls on his face, has to be carried away, then they might do something, its not the system, its the other 49 states and the UFC not following it.

We need to do the thing that didn't work or accomplish anything MORE!!

Tell me anything that was accomplished IN CALIFORNIA.

Did they suspend anyone?
Did they cancel fights?


They made rules no one followed and didn't enforce them.


That doesn't even achieve a baseline control vs placebo

Nothing at all accomplished


But ok.. you clearly want to assume the thing would have worked if strictly followed... cool.

Explain to me why.



Think about it...
What does ths CSAC plan ...DO?

It attempts to limit the fighters ability to RE-Hydrate.


Does that prevent weigh cutting? No
Does that limit weight cutting? Not really
Does that make fighters safer? ..NO
Does that make fighting MORE DANGEROUS? Yes



If dehydrated fighters getting brain damage is the answer
- your question is retarded.

Moving in the wrong direction is not progress.

All ideas to "solve weight cutting" are based on not thinking the idea through to its logical conclusion

 

[El Fernas]

Tell me anything that was accomplished IN CALIFORNIA.

Did they suspend anyone?
Did they cancel fights?


They made rules no one followed and didn't enforce them.

They did...

CSAC Suspends Two Fighters For Massive Weight Gains At Bellator 286

California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) suspended two fighters who competed at Bellator 286 from fighting in their respective weight classes moving forward after they had massive weight gains after the official weigh ins.

www.mmamania.com

-Carlile never fought in California again, or the US for that matter.

-Barzola moved to 145lbs for his next fight in California, then dropped to 135 in other states...

Any change in the sport requires all AC's to be onboard, if they all do and nothing changes then the system doesnt change anyrhing, thats not the case here.

 

[Tweak896]

Yeah I mean fighters cut because everyone else does, it just brings you to par really. I hate the weight cutting too but not sure what can be done.

It's a competitive sport, the weight cuts give you an advantage. So many act like the cuts ruin your chin and cardio, but we'd see that way more often if it was the case. Either way it's unavoidable and this is the best solution for now.

Maybe they have some super scientific computer that determines a person's weight class beyond water weight, and will only allow fighters the same size to fight each other, but I bet even that would take having a weight class every 5lbs.

 

[Tito Tapped]

I really thought that the dude who collapsed face first walking out of the scale would generate more news and people claiming for something to be done.

But apparently no one gave a single fuck so I would suggest that weight cut ain't going nowhere.

Maybe, maybe, if someone in the UFC (and only the UFC) dies from it.

Otherwise, business as usual.

The only person responsible for what happened is the fighter themselves.