Thais posture vs westerners?

[woogie12]

name me some fights like this. do u even know what you are talking about? and dont tell me youre talking about a "muay thai" fighter who is not even thai

in alot of the thailand vs (another country) type fight events the thais always do pretty well

I was not saying that foreigners dominate in thailand, I meant that when they do, it usually involves them having superior hand skills.

And I was also reading somewhere that some thais have been coming over here to learn boxing from us americans.

 

[50Pence]

I was not saying that foreigners dominate in thailand, I meant that when they do, it usually involves them having superior hand skills. QUOTE]

For what it's worth - I saw plenty of fights at all levels from village to pro level whilst travelling in Thailand, some involving Westerners vs. Thais. When the Westerners did win a fight, it was always due to superior hand skills or some cases just raw punching power. Not that what I saw represents all such contests, but it was a good cross section of ability levels across the country.

 

[TsukinoKage]

name me some fights like this. do u even know what you are talking about? and dont tell me youre talking about a "muay thai" fighter who is not even thai

in alot of the thailand vs (another country) type fight events the thais always do pretty well

Are you aware of a man named Ramon Dekkers?

 

[woogie12]

Thank you.

 

[muaythaiknee]

i do know who ramon dekkers is. i would not say he was better than the thais though.

he did fight many of the TOP thais and could fight on their level, but there were thais that he was not able to beat the best like sakmongkol and orono


and woogie u do know ramon dekkers is not american right? lol

ramon dekkers is well known but there are a lot of thais that fought foreigners u probably never heard of

for one ramon dekkers there have been a lot of namsaknoi por pramuks who have fought the best fighters from korea, japan, europe and never lost

 

[TsukinoKage]

i do know who ramon dekkers is. i would not say he was better than the thais though.

he did fight many of the TOP thais and could fight on their level, but there were thais that he was not able to beat the best like sakmongkol and orono


and woogie u do know ramon dekkers is not american right? lol

ramon dekkers is well known but there are a lot of thais that fought foreigners u probably never heard of

for one ramon dekkers there have been a lot of namsaknoi por pramuks who have fought the best fighters from korea, japan, europe and never lost

The point was Ramon Dekkers made a career out of (among other things) his superior boxing skills against the Thais. His fights basically consisted of lots of KOs but losing most of the decisions, because again, Thais score differently and much less on punches.

Obviously, a lot of the Thais he fought had superior overall MT technique, but Ramon had much stronger punches.

 

[muaythaiknee]

also a lot of people think thai's are bad with punching and cant hold their own against someone that can box well

thats not always right and a perfect example to prove that wrong is to show any fight that anuwat kaewsamrit has ever been in

not all thais are bad with boxing

 

[Prodigal Son]

Dekkers had a great teep kick as well, not just his punches. He ate a lot of elbows though.

A lot of the better Thais are incorporating more western boxing into their training.

 

[Rinksterk**]

western kickboxers/muay thai fighters have better boxing no doubt. I think its a cultural thing but you can definitely see it when they fight. The MT fights I've seen with a westerner vs thai dude were very similar in the regard.

The white dude (usually white) would beat the thai guy in close range punching exchange. This seems to be one of the biggest reasons when a white guy wins. But when a thai guy wins, its because he had more experience and better overall MT skill.

I've seen one fight(can't remember names) where a young european guy was outboxing the thai but eating a lot of legkicks to make the fight even. The thai guy used his experience to eventually beat the white dude by staying out of his punching range and throwing kicks. When the white guy closed in, the thai guy closed in even closer so he can clinch and knee the dude. In the end, the white dude got a brutal beating.

 

[woogie12]

also a lot of people think thai's are bad with punching and cant hold their own against someone that can box well

thats not always right and a perfect example to prove that wrong is to show any fight that anuwat kaewsamrit has ever been in

not all thais are bad with boxing

First of all I never said it was only americans, nor that ramon dekkers was american. I said foreigners.

Also, I never said thais could not box, I said that when I've seen fights between thais and foreigners that the foreigners won, it was due to superior hand skills.

Reading comprehension goes a long way.

 

[Marvin Covar]

...actually, boxers push their weight forward and will lean into you a lot, which is a perfect invitation for a good knee, but they don't play like that.

a good stance is when you mix up the two.

 

[Rinksterk**]

First of all I never said it was only americans, nor that ramon dekkers was american. I said foreigners.

Also, I never said thais could not box, I said that when I've seen fights between thais and foreigners that the foreigners won, it was due to superior hand skills.

Reading comprehension goes a long way.

Don't worry dude. The guy just seems a little insecure and goes on an all out defensive stance when someone makes the slightest diss against his precious muay thai. Even when you didn't.

 

[FightStudent]

a good stance is when you mix up the two.

Wouldn't you guys agree that the Dutch "Thai Boxing" stance does this well?

 

[woogie12]

Yea, Dutch style is another breed different from american as well as thai.

We had a dutch guy in our gym, he had bricks for hands and baseball bats for shins.

 

[Dan Koong]

for range, i keep most of my weight on my back leg so i can throw in some fast lead leg kicks, then when they either come in or i decided to come in i switch to a boxing stance and unload with punches which usually end up in a clinch.

i think a lot of non-thai muay thai fighters are perfecting this style and if you watch some k1 fights, you'll see some of the best examples of it.

buakaw has nearly perfected his adaptation of muay thai into a more modern style of striking. he still has his nasty kicks, but as he's shown in previous fights and tournaments, he's always ready to trade some punches then dominate in the clinch. if you watch him he doesn't really seem to have much, if any weaknesses.