TERMINATOR: DARK FATE v.2 (First Reactions)

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SmilinDesperado said:
Thanks.
Hm, I do get most of that then, I guess I just wanted to see more of the Terminators/Skynet's side after 6 movies. If they are capable of learning and can form their own preferences and plans then it would've been cool to see their leader, or see others evolve as Arnold's character did.
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That's what everyone wanted to see.

Instead...

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BisexualMMA said:
I kind of disagree. People compare The Terminator sometimes to Halloween, as a slasher film with a silent hulking relentless killer.

But the amount of extra things James Cameron added to that template is pretty staggering...

The movie succeeds massively as a horror, an action film, a sci fi film and a romance.

He fleshes out the future world with a great deal of lived in backstory, like dogs being able to spot Terminators (and it coming in handy later on in the movie). Few writers would bother with a detail like that.

The love story is moving. The time travel paradox is interesting.

Again, with the level of detail in the backstory, the Terminators are on the 800 series because the previous models weren't convincing enough. How many writers would bother with that in the first movie? The 600 series had rubber skin. Even what isn't said is interesting. There were models before the 600 series, and something came between the 600 rubber skin models and this T-800.

Then there's the notion of technological / AI defeatist determinism and the implicit warning about all the shit we're doing today with technology.

If all James Cameron wanted to do was have a robot coming after and killing people, he could have gotten away with a lot less thought and hard work.



But thank goodness Dani Ramos is here to fix all that.
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That's fair, and all good points. I wasn't really trying to downplay the movie, but truthfully, it's been quite a while since i've seen the original Terminator, so it's not fresh in my memory.
I defintiely know it was above most action movies, so I'm not saying it was typical, but that my reason for enjoying the Terminator movies (or mostly for enjoying T2) was that I saw them as really good action movies with above average stories.
While this latest installment wasn't perfect, I thought it entertained and kept me engaged, moreso than most other recent action movies i've watched.
My opinion might be a bit inflated because I watched the latest Rambo a few days before this, and I fell asleep. So i was pleasantly surprised that I didn't hate this one.
 
BisexualMMA said:
The goal of the Terminators that are sent back is to accomplish their mission, generally killing Sarah Connor or John Connor (or the legendary Dani Ramos in this case) in order to prevent that person from leading the resistance and defeating them (Skynet) in the future.

The goal / motive of Skynet itself is first self-preservation, attacking humanity because humanity tries to pull the plug on (kill) Skynet once it becomes self-aware. And after that, Skynet's motive is to win the future war against the surviving humans. Having ultimately lost the future war in the end, they send back Terminators to take out the people that caused them to lose the future war.

Is this what you were wondering about?
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Its crazy that all that lore is in the first film

Just blows my mind how perfect that shit was
 
It also made sense that Kyle Reese didn't know about Dyson but the Terminators did

It fits

Of course Skynet would know who its creator is
 
There is even a deleted scene in Terminator 1

That shows the plant from the end of T1 actually is a Cyberdyne plant

Thats how Cyberdyne gets the information to start developing Skynet

Everything just fits

 
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