Social Tensions rise on Italy's Lampedusa island amid migrant influx, posing headache for Meloni’s governme

[Richmma80]

I wish they'd try this to China

 

[Kingz]

Meloni is a fucking sham.
Post fascist, my ass.

This needs to be treated as an Invasion and the Navy needs to destroy all NGO boats.

The Italians need to block their ports but they should also pay Tunisia and whatever gangsters are running Libya to be a little more heavy handed. Just kidding, WAY MORE heavy handed. They’ll gladly accept the money if no real results are expected.

what’s most maddening about Meloni’s plan with Tunisia not working is that Tunisia has likely been paid anyway for not doing anything. Which is just another neoliberal stain on Meloni. She might as well had paid them to “investigate root causes”. These countries will step up if millions or billions are dependent on not even a fish being able to swim from North Africa to Europe without presenting papers.

If aid money was contingent on other countries zealously enforcing their own borders to passer throughs. You could build an impenetrable border without barriers. Trump had figured that out by the second year of his term, nearly the end of his second year. Once he got Mexico to keep them and the Central American countries to take a hard line on immigration. Barely a ducks fart was getting over the border despite the wall not being up. You would notice Trump stopped caring about the wall once he built the pacts. It’s certainly not because illegals were respecting Covid shut downs. You can build an iron curtain without physical barriers or legislation. Meloni could without the EU.

but it’s pretty clear, Meloni was a fraud…she lost the chip on her shoulder as soon as she got a taste of the elitist life. Now it’s all about “European solutions”(spread migrants throughout Europe) instead of Italy’s role as not only a nation for Italians, but a line of defense for all of Europe. Doubtful the Biden administration would’ve done a summit with her if she was as advertised. Also, the media has softened up to her in a major way. Two clear indicators that she hasn’t done her job.

She’s talking like she’s waiting for a right wing takeover of EU Parliament to really do something about it. Which probably won’t happen and even if it did. So what? Italy has found out they can elect a “post fascist” nationalist and it still won’t get them nationalist policy. So that sends a daunting message to the rest of Europe and questions what recourses there are if voting for a policy doesn’t equate to that policy.

she’s probably the biggest bust in European politics in decades. An even bigger bust than Boris Johnson.

 

[Xuh]

The Italians need to block their ports but they should also pay Tunisia and whatever gangsters are running Libya to be a little more heavy handed. Just kidding, WAY MORE heavy handed.

Berlusconi had a deal with a guy to do just that and it worked pretty well until FRA/USA/UK decided to take care of it...

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

Meloni fucked them up, she promised to reduce immigration and now that she got elected, she pledged for more immigration than before... EU decides for everything, they need to follow the plan, I guess.

 

[plataoplombo]

At what point can this just be considered an invasion?

Way after it's too late

 

[plataoplombo]

Dio buono, non piu.

There's probably a couple hundred police on that island. No way they could handle any kind of serious unrest. Italy and Greece should set up a blockade. Ships in but nothing out.

I wonder what would happen if a massive influx of Italians started landing over there.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Berlusconi had a deal with a guy to do just that and it worked pretty well until FRA/USA/UK decided to take care of it...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...rn-black-unless-EU-pays-Libya-4bn-a-year.html

Speaking at a ceremony in Rome while standing next to Silvio Berlusconi, Italy's prime minister, Col Gaddafi, 67, said that unless his request for money was met, Europe would otherwise become 'another Africa' as a result of the 'advance of millions of immigrants'.

"Tomorrow Europe might no longer be European and even black as there are millions who want to come in," he said.

"We don't know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasions".

 

[Renard]

The powers that be have decided they want to flood Europe with migrants to reach certain objectives. In any case it doesn't matter who you vote for, anyone at a prime minister candidate level has been bought out and is controllable or they wouldn't be there.

If I lived on that island I'd start beefing up my home security. In the US you can defend your home with guns, Italians don't have that option. The best they can do is make their house too much trouble to break into. The migrants have broken psyches from living in countries where being a victim or a perpetrator of violence is normal. If they realize how high their numbers are and how easily they could overwhelm security forces, it would be in their nature to gang up and start breaking into houses, attacking women, stealing everything that isn't nailed down. Things can go south real fast with a mob.

 

[Cole train]

Looking at birth rates cultural clash is inevitable at some point, ideologies might change, some will get thrown in trash, some will come up. Not only west euro but russia has this problem as well. Might lead to bigger conflicts inside countries since these things rarely happen quietly

East euro in general is ok currently, probably will become powerhouse in future imo but im no wizard

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Dio buono, non piu.

There's probably a couple hundred police on that island. No way they could handle any kind of serious unrest. Italy and Greece should set up a blockade. Ships in but nothing out.

I wonder what would happen if a massive influx of Italians started landing over there.

Doubt that the police will do anything, they will just sit there as they wait for orders..

 

[GoldenWolf87]

what makes this unnerving is the fact that it is clearly so organised. Why send 7000 at once to one small location when there are other options? If you can organise something like this it would be a simple step to divide the numbers and locations of entry. It would be far more difficult to amass an armada like this and thrust it out into the ocean.

Not just organized but the NGOs and their ships are likely well funded by some wealthy donors.

Someone/Somebody is clearly profiting from this.

 

[Topguntrophey]

Why do so many people flee from 3rd world countries when1st world countries where so good to them? Never took and always gave? Never abused but treated them fairly? You know France and Italy were kind to Tunisia and Libya during colonial rule. Only built them up not to have to do this very thing...

Any why people would flee their home because of violence, crime, etc., still makes me scratch my head. If there was mass crime, lawlessness and/or mass unemployment in my city, I'd stay for sure.

 

[Hdfi]

The West is finished, it cannot even protect its borders from barbarian invasions.

East Asia will be the last remnant of an advanced civilization, while the West destroys itself via liberalism and diversity.

 

[idrankyourbeer's maid]

 

[squeezewax]

Controlled demolition of the West has been happening for a while now. Replacement immigrants.
It's happening in America, Britain, France.

The West is being disposed of.
A spokesperson for the WEF has said that, the trouble with Westerners is that they go on about people's rights. While these 'immigrants' are from cultures where they are used to being told what to do.

I disagree a little about the West and people's rights. During the Plandemic, once the jabs were here it seemed a lot of people had no rights as to whether they wanted the injections or not. The same thing will happen again, very soon.

 

[idrankyourbeer's maid]

I never asked to live in the end of days

 

[LeonardoBjj]

What’s behind the surge in migrant arrivals to Italy?

BY RENATA BRITO
Updated 1:39 PM BRT, September 15, 2023

BARCELONA, Spain (AP) — Thousands of migrants and refugees have landed on the Italian island of Lampedusa this week after crossing the Mediterranean Sea on small unseaworthy boats from Tunisia, overwhelming local authorities and aid organizations.

Scenes of chaos at an overcrowded reception center in Lampedusa have provoked both solidarity and anger with fingers pointing blame at not just people smugglers, but also Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni, European Union officials and their Tunisian partner, President Kais Saied.

Here’s what happened:

HOW MANY MIGRANTS ARRIVED?

More than 120 small boats arrived in Lampedusa in the span of roughly 24 hours, bringing the number of people at the local reception center to 7,000 people at one point. That’s 15 times its capacity and more than the island’s full-time population.

According to Italy’s Interior Ministry, more than 127,000 migrants have reached Italy by sea so far this year, nearly double the number for the same period last year.

Lampedusa, which is closer to North Africa than the Italian mainland, has long been targeted by people smugglers. With Tunisia now the main launching pad for Europe, the island today is receiving around 70% of all migrants arriving in Italy, said Flavio Di Giacomo, a spokesperson at the International Organization for Migration’s Mediterranean office.

Europe has previously dealt with much higher numbers of daily arrivals, including in the migration crisis of 2015-2016 and most recently after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. But consecutive arrivals on the small island in a short period of time made things difficult to manage, Di Giacomo said.

The newly arrived migrants are progressively being transferred onto the mainland, where their asylum requests will be processed. Many hope to continue to other parts of Europe to find work or reunite with relatives.

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE ARRIVING?

Aboard the boats arriving in Lampedusa from Tunisia are citizens of various African nations, including Ivory Coast, Guinea, Cameroon, Burkina Faso, Mali and Tunisians themselves. Many lived and worked in Tunisia for years before deciding to set off to Europe.

There is also a growing number of people arriving from Tunisia after crossing in from neighboring Libya, according to IOM. These include citizens of Egypt, Eritrea and Sudan, where the ongoing conflict between rival military leaders has already displaced more than 4 million people since April.

Most of those boarding smugglers’ boats for Europe are young men and unaccompanied minors, though women and children are seen but in smaller numbers.

WHAT IS BEHIND THE SURGE?

Migration experts say Mediterranean storm Daniel forced smugglers in and around the Tunisian coastal city of Sfax to pause their operations for several days, creating a bottleneck. As soon as the weather improved, they launched more than 100 small iron boats from Tunisian beaches carrying between 30 to 40 people.

“It’s also a way of making sure more people get through the net and overwhelm the system,” said Chris Borowski, a senior press officer at the European Border and Coast Guard Agency, also known as Frontex.

The end of summer also brings a rush in boat crossings as migrants try their luck before the harsher fall and winter weather.

But there are other underlying factors too. The socio-economic situation in Tunisia is spiraling with high inflation and a lack of jobs, crippling both Tunisians and foreigners living there.

Growing anti-migrant sentiment in the country fueled by President Saied’s remarks earlier this year, particularly against sub-Saharan Africans, have also pushed migrants to cross.

“Many were living in Tunisia and became victims of racial discrimination, causing them to flee,” di Giacomo said.

In July, Tunisian authorities rounded up hundreds of Black migrants and refugees, dropping them in the desert border where dozens of people, including children, died, according to reports by human rights groups, Libyan authorities and migrants themselves.

Still, the high number of arrivals shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Italian officials.

“All indicators in Tunisia and the broader region were showing increased arrivals were going to continue,” Tasnim Abderrahim a Tunisian researcher at The Global Initiative Against Transnational Organized Crime, also known by its acronym GI-TOC.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TUNISIAN DEAL?

As migrant crossings from Tunisia surged, Meloni and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen made multiple visits to the North African nation this year in an effort to close a new deal with the country’s increasingly autocratic leader, with much of the focus on stopping migrant crossings.

In a Memorandum of Understanding signed on July 16, the EU announced a wide-ranging partnership that included 105 million euros ($112 million) dedicated to border control.

It’s too early to see if the new EU-funded projects in Tunisia — yet to be implemented — will be effective in reducing migration and stabilizing its economy.

So far, “the situation has only gotten worse,” Abderrahim said.

Tunisia also has conflicting priorities. On the one hand, its crumbling economy is in need of investment. On the other, Saied has said he doesn’t want Tunisia to become Europe’s border guard.

“It’s unrealistic to expect Tunisia to fully block migrant departures,” Abderrahim said. And even if they wanted to, Tunisia’s capacity was limited not just to intercept migrants but also to deal with the surging number of bodies washing ashore that have overwhelmed morgues in coastal cities.

Some politicians have accused Tunisia of deliberately allowing smugglers to launch more and more boats to gain leverage in negotiations with Europe. But no evidence of this has been provided so far.

In any case, experts agree that it’s unlikely that smugglers go unnoticed as they weld dozens of iron boats in clandestine shipyards before launching them from beaches around Sfax.

Migrants pay smugglers between 1,500 and 5,000 Tunisian dinars (roughly $500-$1,600) for a spot on the dangerous boats. But demand is growing despite the risk, and not just for Italy. Spain and Greece are also seeing an increase in migrant crossings this year.

Despite Europe’s hardening migration policies and improving surveillance technology, smuggling networks across the Mediterranean have demonstrated how quickly they can adapt.

https://apnews.com/article/migration-italy-lampedusa-3b47cdacb91c2d72f99b11aa396a6d59

 

[The XL]

Someone has to explain to me why I'm supposed to give a fuck about the supposed threat of countries like China, Russia, Iran, North Korea etc when our own Western powers that be are essentially waging war on us.

 

[slavomir]

I thought they elected Hitler with tits? Where's the Hitler-ing?

As with all other populist politicians. ....they can't do what they promised. ( build wall, stop immigrants, make usa and UK great again, lower the brown bear population ....)
Their simple,good sounding at first hear , solutions never work.

 

[GoldenWolf87]

What’s behind the surge in migrant arrivals to Italy?

BY RENATA BRITO
Updated 1:39 PM BRT, September 15, 2023

BARCELONA, Spain (AP) — Thousands of migrants and refugees have landed on the Italian island of Lampedusa this week after crossing the Mediterranean Sea on small unseaworthy boats from Tunisia, overwhelming local authorities and aid organizations.

Scenes of chaos at an overcrowded reception center in Lampedusa have provoked both solidarity and anger with fingers pointing blame at not just people smugglers, but also Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni, European Union officials and their Tunisian partner, President Kais Saied.

Here’s what happened:

HOW MANY MIGRANTS ARRIVED?

More than 120 small boats arrived in Lampedusa in the span of roughly 24 hours, bringing the number of people at the local reception center to 7,000 people at one point. That’s 15 times its capacity and more than the island’s full-time population.

According to Italy’s Interior Ministry, more than 127,000 migrants have reached Italy by sea so far this year, nearly double the number for the same period last year.

Lampedusa, which is closer to North Africa than the Italian mainland, has long been targeted by people smugglers. With Tunisia now the main launching pad for Europe, the island today is receiving around 70% of all migrants arriving in Italy, said Flavio Di Giacomo, a spokesperson at the International Organization for Migration’s Mediterranean office.

Europe has previously dealt with much higher numbers of daily arrivals, including in the migration crisis of 2015-2016 and most recently after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. But consecutive arrivals on the small island in a short period of time made things difficult to manage, Di Giacomo said.

The newly arrived migrants are progressively being transferred onto the mainland, where their asylum requests will be processed. Many hope to continue to other parts of Europe to find work or reunite with relatives.

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE ARRIVING?

Aboard the boats arriving in Lampedusa from Tunisia are citizens of various African nations, including Ivory Coast, Guinea, Cameroon, Burkina Faso, Mali and Tunisians themselves. Many lived and worked in Tunisia for years before deciding to set off to Europe.

There is also a growing number of people arriving from Tunisia after crossing in from neighboring Libya, according to IOM. These include citizens of Egypt, Eritrea and Sudan, where the ongoing conflict between rival military leaders has already displaced more than 4 million people since April.

Most of those boarding smugglers’ boats for Europe are young men and unaccompanied minors, though women and children are seen but in smaller numbers.

WHAT IS BEHIND THE SURGE?

Migration experts say Mediterranean storm Daniel forced smugglers in and around the Tunisian coastal city of Sfax to pause their operations for several days, creating a bottleneck. As soon as the weather improved, they launched more than 100 small iron boats from Tunisian beaches carrying between 30 to 40 people.

“It’s also a way of making sure more people get through the net and overwhelm the system,” said Chris Borowski, a senior press officer at the European Border and Coast Guard Agency, also known as Frontex.

The end of summer also brings a rush in boat crossings as migrants try their luck before the harsher fall and winter weather.

But there are other underlying factors too. The socio-economic situation in Tunisia is spiraling with high inflation and a lack of jobs, crippling both Tunisians and foreigners living there.

Growing anti-migrant sentiment in the country fueled by President Saied’s remarks earlier this year, particularly against sub-Saharan Africans, have also pushed migrants to cross.

“Many were living in Tunisia and became victims of racial discrimination, causing them to flee,” di Giacomo said.

In July, Tunisian authorities rounded up hundreds of Black migrants and refugees, dropping them in the desert border where dozens of people, including children, died, according to reports by human rights groups, Libyan authorities and migrants themselves.

Still, the high number of arrivals shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Italian officials.

“All indicators in Tunisia and the broader region were showing increased arrivals were going to continue,” Tasnim Abderrahim a Tunisian researcher at The Global Initiative Against Transnational Organized Crime, also known by its acronym GI-TOC.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TUNISIAN DEAL?

As migrant crossings from Tunisia surged, Meloni and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen made multiple visits to the North African nation this year in an effort to close a new deal with the country’s increasingly autocratic leader, with much of the focus on stopping migrant crossings.

In a Memorandum of Understanding signed on July 16, the EU announced a wide-ranging partnership that included 105 million euros ($112 million) dedicated to border control.

It’s too early to see if the new EU-funded projects in Tunisia — yet to be implemented — will be effective in reducing migration and stabilizing its economy.

So far, “the situation has only gotten worse,” Abderrahim said.

Tunisia also has conflicting priorities. On the one hand, its crumbling economy is in need of investment. On the other, Saied has said he doesn’t want Tunisia to become Europe’s border guard.

“It’s unrealistic to expect Tunisia to fully block migrant departures,” Abderrahim said. And even if they wanted to, Tunisia’s capacity was limited not just to intercept migrants but also to deal with the surging number of bodies washing ashore that have overwhelmed morgues in coastal cities.

Some politicians have accused Tunisia of deliberately allowing smugglers to launch more and more boats to gain leverage in negotiations with Europe. But no evidence of this has been provided so far.

In any case, experts agree that it’s unlikely that smugglers go unnoticed as they weld dozens of iron boats in clandestine shipyards before launching them from beaches around Sfax.

Migrants pay smugglers between 1,500 and 5,000 Tunisian dinars (roughly $500-$1,600) for a spot on the dangerous boats. But demand is growing despite the risk, and not just for Italy. Spain and Greece are also seeing an increase in migrant crossings this year.

Despite Europe’s hardening migration policies and improving surveillance technology, smuggling networks across the Mediterranean have demonstrated how quickly they can adapt.

https://apnews.com/article/migration-italy-lampedusa-3b47cdacb91c2d72f99b11aa396a6d59

One thing is certain they arent Tunisian migrants.
None of them are from the country of Tunisia.