Teep to face.

[Tayski]

Hey dude, kick me in the face plz. Thx.

got a tooth that's moving, can you knock it off my mouth please? thanks man, appreciate it

 

[Paradigm]

i think some of you are missing the point here. for me, its not about disrespect due to Thai culture...its a little disrespectful because its one of those moves you dont really need to throw in sparring. not everyone here solely trains with amateur or pro fighters. imagine noobs with less control teeping people in the face.

also, like someone else mentioned, its a bit harder to hold back the power in the teep because the ball of the foot has less cushioning. do you guys throw open handed palm strikes with no gloves on in sparring to the face? knees to the head? uppercut elbows to the face? i can throw all of those moves but its not something id ever do in sparring because i have no aspirations of fighting pro, nor do i want to take it to that level. never been teeped in the face in sparring yet (almost have) but the first time it happens, im going to stop the guy and ask if he really wants to take it there. if hes fine with it, im going to teep the shit out of his face every chance i get because its something ive always wanted to do but dont want done to me haha. plus, payback is a bitch. ive never been KO'd in sparring but evidently, some people also think thats a normal part of training as well...every gym is different.

having said that, not all amateur/pro fighters have great control either...

 

[Forever Changes]

I ask around the gym for rules. I have front kicked someone in the face before.

 

[Matt]

It's not something you would normally do in sparring - it's a sign of disrespect to your opponent. Or basically a way to say, "I don't like you."

Watch Orono sending a message to Dekkers in this fight. He tries it a few times but you especially see it around 19 minutes.

 

[Cyclone Mike]

Kicks to head are often more powerful than we realize, and most people don't have enough control and dexterity to head kick gently. .

Truth. I was sparring at a gym where I was somewhat new. I threw a high kick and missed, but they were all very upset at how hard I threw it. To me it felt like I even held back a little, but everyone was trying to beat me up in sparring after that.

 

[Kiwi Tricker]

If it's disrespectful in your culture, then yes, it can be. However, not every fighter takes everything from Thai culture so seriously. I've been teeped in the face by my training partners, and I've also teeped them in the face. It's not disrespectful because we don't intend it that way, nor do we take it that way.

If a Thai teeped me in the face, then I'd know it's probably them disrespecting me, but honestly, for a lot of fighters it's just another kick in the head.

I've changed my mind since this post- I don't teep face, and I get mad when people do it to me. Too much chance of injury when you're just sparring.

 

[Sinister]

Truth. I was sparring at a gym where I was somewhat new. I threw a high kick and missed, but they were all very upset at how hard I threw it. To me it felt like I even held back a little, but everyone was trying to beat me up in sparring after that.

Jaja, must have been nice to spar with high kicks with Taino on account of I don't give a fuck.

 

[Crossface9]

It's not something you would normally do in sparring - it's a sign of disrespect to your opponent. Or basically a way to say, "I don't like you."

Watch Orono sending a message to Dekkers in this fight. He tries it a few times but you especially see it around 19 minutes.

Dude this fight is Brutal..

 

[PivotPunch]

How do you train to use the technique in a fight or to defend against it in a fight if you don't use it in sparring?
Everyone says how soft TKD is and in my TKD club we used front kicks to the face allthough controlled. And TKD/karate style snapping front kicks are harder than teeps. Unless you are a Thai and fight form a young age on like every 1-2 weeks you need to prepare for everything in sparring.

 

[Kanka]

How do you train to use the technique in a fight or to defend against it in a fight if you don't use it in sparring?
Everyone says how soft TKD is and in my TKD club we used front kicks to the face allthough controlled. And TKD/karate style snapping front kicks are harder than teeps. Unless you are a Thai and fight form a young age on like every 1-2 weeks you need to prepare for everything in sparring.

Can you make someone fall on their ass with snap kicks?

 

[Kiwi Tricker]

How do you train to use the technique in a fight or to defend against it in a fight if you don't use it in sparring?
Everyone says how soft TKD is and in my TKD club we used front kicks to the face allthough controlled. And TKD/karate style snapping front kicks are harder than teeps. Unless you are a Thai and fight form a young age on like every 1-2 weeks you need to prepare for everything in sparring.

Drills on pads and bags. It's not that I can't do it, it's that I choose not to. You drill the technique and being accurate with it enough and eventually the only real difference between teeping body, hips, face, or any other target is a small adjustment. You don't have to practice push kicking people in the face to be able to, you just have to have flexibility and accuracy.

How many people do you think I have done a spinning downward back elbow against in sparring? None, but it landed very flush during my fight.

Develop skill to the point where you are good enough to have a number of different applications for it without needing to practice, not drill every application of it that you can.

 

[PivotPunch]

Can you make someone fall on their ass with snap kicks?

Teeps can be hard but they mostly make you fall because they push you off your feet they are more of a pushing technique of course still with power but it's easier to knock someone out with snapping front kicks.
Just compare in MMA Carlos Condit literally flying into a pushing front kick with his head but only getting knocked down (also because he literally was in the air) he has a good chin but it's not a ko technique. Now compare that to Anderson Silva knokcing Belfort out with a snapping front kick, Machida knocking Couture out with a snapping front kick and Browne knocking Overeem out with a snapping front kick.
Also watch Kikuno watch destroy people with snapping front kicks to the body and in kickboxing Semmy Schilt destroying people with karate(/TKD) style front kicks to the body.
The teep will physically move you more and push you to the ground or at least off balance you but to hurt people the karate/TKD style snapping front kick is by far better it's a real ko technique not a pushing technique.

Drills on pads and bags. It's not that I can't do it, it's that I choose not to. You drill the technique and being accurate with it enough and eventually the only real difference between teeping body, hips, face, or any other target is a small adjustment. You don't have to practice push kicking people in the face to be able to, you just have to have flexibility and accuracy.

How many people do you think I have done a spinning downward back elbow against in sparring? None, but it landed very flush during my fight.

Develop skill to the point where you are good enough to have a number of different applications for it without needing to practice, not drill every application of it that you can.

Yeah i get that point but it's still not the best thing it can work without sparring but it will work much much better with sparring. It's the same you can practice a left hook on a bag as well but landing it in a fight it a different thing and you can theoretically do any strike only on bags without sparring but it's not the same. And I think it makes an even greater difference defensively because chances are you won't be able to defend against it properly if you haven't encountered them in sparring.

I'm not saying you always have to spar with things like that but against someone who you know can pace himself someone experienced you should. And if not then at least a ton of drills with someone throwing it after you but hoping that no one throws the technique and hoping that if someone does your instincts will be enough isn't a good thing

 

[Matt]

Drills on pads and bags. It's not that I can't do it, it's that I choose not to. You drill the technique and being accurate with it enough and eventually the only real difference between teeping body, hips, face, or any other target is a small adjustment. You don't have to practice push kicking people in the face to be able to, you just have to have flexibility and accuracy.

How many people do you think I have done a spinning downward back elbow against in sparring? None, but it landed very flush during my fight.

Develop skill to the point where you are good enough to have a number of different applications for it without needing to practice, not drill every application of it that you can.

I agree with this. I can practice it just fine on the bag and on the pads. I can land it on someone too, and I have. But I don't do it in sparring because it's sort of a breach of protocol.

 

[Orni]

Dick move imo.

 

[Paradigm]

Teeps can be hard but they mostly make you fall because they push you off your feet they are more of a pushing technique of course still with power but it's easier to knock someone out with snapping front kicks.
Just compare in MMA Carlos Condit literally flying into a pushing front kick with his head but only getting knocked down (also because he literally was in the air) he has a good chin but it's not a ko technique. Now compare that to Anderson Silva knokcing Belfort out with a snapping front kick, Machida knocking Couture out with a snapping front kick and Browne knocking Overeem out with a snapping front kick.
Also watch Kikuno watch destroy people with snapping front kicks to the body and in kickboxing Semmy Schilt destroying people with karate(/TKD) style front kicks to the body.
The teep will physically move you more and push you to the ground or at least off balance you but to hurt people the karate/TKD style snapping front kick is by far better it's a real ko technique not a pushing technique.



Yeah i get that point but it's still not the best thing it can work without sparring but it will work much much better with sparring. It's the same you can practice a left hook on a bag as well but landing it in a fight it a different thing and you can theoretically do any strike only on bags without sparring but it's not the same. And I think it makes an even greater difference defensively because chances are you won't be able to defend against it properly if you haven't encountered them in sparring.

I'm not saying you always have to spar with things like that but against someone who you know can pace himself someone experienced you should. And if not then at least a ton of drills with someone throwing it after you but hoping that no one throws the technique and hoping that if someone does your instincts will be enough isn't a good thing

you need to work on your teep if you think it's a pushing technique vs a piercing one.

 

[PivotPunch]

you need to work on your teep if you think it's a pushing technique vs a piercing one.

I don't tepe I don't train at the moment and I never did MT/kickboxing. I know people that do/did MT and it's also from watching fights but it's clearly not the same snap even if someone has a strong teep you can see the difference the strike has on fighters who get hit by it. it does damage but the snapping version is more liekly to knock someone out or hurt him to the body. Maybe the difference is also connecting with the ball of the foot vs with the whole foot/heel but it's probably partially also because of the snap vs the push

 

[Paradigm]

I don't tepe I don't train at the moment and I never did MT/kickboxing. I know people that do/did MT and it's also from watching fights but it's clearly not the same snap even if someone has a strong teep you can see the difference the strike has on fighters who get hit by it. it does damage but the snapping version is more liekly to knock someone out or hurt him to the body. Maybe the difference is also connecting with the ball of the foot vs with the whole foot/heel but it's probably partially also because of the snap vs the push

you can land on your teep with the ball of the foot, the whole bottom of the foot or the heel...depends on where youre throwing it. also, a good teep is not a literal push. im not saying my teep is BKK stadium level but i dropped a guy in sparring on Monday by hitting him in the gut in the right spot with the ball of the foot. could it KO someone if it hit in the jaw? maybe, maybe not...i dont think ill ever find out because ill never be able to take it to that level. having said that, im sure there are Thais (and others) out there that COULD KO someone with a teep to the jaw...its probably not common because of the level of their competition. you bring a high level Thai here to the US and have him fight pros here and im sure you would see some KOs like that if they specifically went for it.

also, in regards to your other point about not seeing a move enough in sparring to be able to defend against it...some moves are too dangerous to practice against live opponents (not that the teep to the face is).

you might be able to wear headgear/pads for certain things (knees to the head/elbows) but shouldnt you be fighting like youre training? headgear obscures your vision and you will probably get hit with other stuff youd normally be able to see coming (uppercuts, certain kicks, etc). never clinched with headgear on but im assuming it would be a bitch to do so.

why do some BJJ schools/competitions ban heelhooks (whether in practice or competitions)?

 

[PivotPunch]

you can land on your teep with the ball of the foot, the whole bottom of the foot or the heel...depends on where youre throwing it. also, a good teep is not a literal push. im not saying my teep is BKK stadium level but i dropped a guy in sparring on Monday by hitting him in the gut in the right spot with the ball of the foot. could it KO someone if it hit in the jaw? maybe, maybe not...i dont think ill ever find out because ill never be able to take it to that level. having said that, im sure there are Thais (and others) out there that COULD KO someone with a teep to the jaw...its probably not common because of the level of their competition. you bring a high level Thai here to the US and have him fight pros here and im sure you would see some KOs like that if they specifically went for it.

also, in regards to your other point about not seeing a move enough in sparring to be able to defend against it...some moves are too dangerous to practice against live opponents (not that the teep to the face is).

you might be able to wear headgear/pads for certain things (knees to the head/elbows) but shouldnt you be fighting like youre training? headgear obscures your vision and you will probably get hit with other stuff youd normally be able to see coming (uppercuts, certain kicks, etc). never clinched with headgear on but im assuming it would be a bitch to do so.

why do some BJJ schools/competitions ban heelhooks (whether in practice or competitions)?

Yeah I'm sure it's possible to ko someone with a teep especially if you land with the ball of the foot it's just easier to do it with a snapping kick at least in my opinion especially since the nsapping kick comes from below like an upeprcut or knee.

I see some attacks being hard to train but less any kicks because at least in my TKD club we did every spinning kick and whatever in drills and sparring.
But elbows are probably tough because you can slow down any technique and have it have less impact but elbows can cause cuts and swellings easily even if they aren't thrown 100%. Not sure how well elbow pads prevent cuts but I don't think it's common to train with them

 

[Paradigm]

Yeah I'm sure it's possible to ko someone with a teep especially if you land with the ball of the foot it's just easier to do it with a snapping kick at least in my opinion especially since the nsapping kick comes from below like an upeprcut or knee.

I see some attacks being hard to train but less any kicks because at least in my TKD club we did every spinning kick and whatever in drills and sparring.
But elbows are probably tough because you can slow down any technique and have it have less impact but elbows can cause cuts and swellings easily even if they aren't thrown 100%. Not sure how well elbow pads prevent cuts but I don't think it's common to train with them

watch how Thais spar...they throw elbows and knees in sparring without pads with supreme control. then again, they've been doing the sport since damn near birth.

I would never spar like that with anyone in my gym. maybe my instructor but even then probably not because while he has that type of control, I don't. I'd hate to be a hindrance to anyone's pro career because I lacked control and accidentally cut or injured them in training.

have always wanted to spar with elbow pads and a no contact headgear though...my face is too pretty to risk taking a random elbow to the face in sparring haha.

 

[Discipulus]

watch how Thais spar...they throw elbows and knees in sparring without pads with supreme control. then again, they've been doing the sport since damn near birth.

I would never spar like that with anyone in my gym. maybe my instructor but even then probably not because while he has that type of control, I don't. I'd hate to be a hindrance to anyone's pro career because I lacked control and accidentally cut or injured them in training.

have always wanted to spar with elbow pads and a no contact headgear though...my face is too pretty to risk taking a random elbow to the face in sparring haha.

They don't land those techniques fully, though. Sparring knees connect with the inside of the thigh, and sparring elbows with the meat of the forearm.