Technique vs Strength

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by JerseyTrash, May 17, 2008.

  1. JerseyTrash Silver Belt

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    There's this guy at my school that's huge. He's like 6'3" maybe like 220 or so, and I'm like 5'11" and 178 or so. This guy used to toss me around everywhere and tap me out no problem. Nowadays this isn't the case. He relies so much on his strength that his technique hasn't evolved. Today we rolled and I swept him a bunch of times, mounted him, took his back once, even had him in a triangle and a collar choke that he got out of. He used to tap me out in probably under a minute, but today even though I didn't submit him after about 15 minutes of rolling he couldn't tap me. If it was a competition I may have even won on points. This guy is a complete beast, but eventually I'll be able to put him in his place and I'm pretty proud of that.
     
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    technique > strength... that being said tech + strength > tech.

    that guy should really learn the game.

    where you train at man?
     
  3. EndoG Blue Belt

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    Sweet.
     
  4. wildman1717 Green Belt

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    I agree also.
     
  5. Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    somebody should make a genral attribute scale as a guideline, lol
     
  6. Darksky Blue Belt

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    Agree
     
  7. JerseyTrash Silver Belt

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    I was just wondering if anyone had any situations like this at their gyms.
     
  8. FWTG Blue Belt

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    Just roll man. These type of threads always come off as bragging. Whjat happens on the mat generally should stay on the mat.

    Strength only goes so far and not very. Im not even very good and im smaller than you are yet ive still been able to tap guys with 60 pounds of pure muscle on me and who have trained for awhile. Technique trumps strength to a large extent and my tech has got a LONG WAY to go. Like I said just roll.
     
  9. FELLA Yellow Belt

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    We had this discussion in the gym the other day, who would win Kenny Florian vs. Marius Pudzianowski (the worlds strongest man).
    All the big strong juice heads were going for Marius while all the smaller guys were picking Ken Flo :)

    Had this big guy who was literally twice the size weight of me ...

    During the 5 minute roll this is how it went:

    First 10 seconds he pushed me on my back came in my guard and for the next 4 minutes and 50 seconds he lay on top of me in my guard trying to neck crank/head squeeze the shit outta me.
    I didn't tap but couldn't get him off me.

    At the end he said people usually tap from that and I don't know any other moves ...
    Try learning some technique then !!!
     
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    i am a lot bigger then most guys i roll with. if we are even close in size, i pwn them due to being so much bigger and stronger.

    so ken-flo's bjj > randys but randy would beat kenflo.
     
  11. Rbagu3 <img src="http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7992/

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    my point is just don't count out strength and size, because it does help IF you know what you are doing
     
  12. Rbagu3 <img src="http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7992/

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    my point is just don't count out strength and size, because it does help IF you know what you are doing
     
  13. JerseyTrash Silver Belt

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    WTF is this forum even here for then?
     
  14. Shemhazai Black Belt

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    Mariusz used to be a very serious boxer (destined for the Olympics at one time), and I think he trains a bit of MMA for fun. He also does Kyokushin at least.

    Not to say that that makes him an MMA fighter, but he does have some fighting skill with that freakish strength and size.
     
  15. FWTG Blue Belt

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    What I mean by that is that generally it is frowned upon to go around bragging about how you beat others in your class. Especially when you couldnt even sub them. But whatever carry on. lol
     
  16. exile27 Guest

    There is also one of these monster guys at my gym. When he rolls, he has 3 go to moves. A guillitine, a neck crank, or he just muscles your face into his chest and suffocates you. He really has no technique at all.

    He is probably the only guy that I get frustrated with when I roll. I don't mind getting tapped. I'm still very new to this whole BJJ thing, so I expect it. But for some reason it just really pisses me off that I'm working so hard to improve my technique, and this meat head just comes along, uses absolutely no technique, and taps me out by using nothing but his strength.

    I can't wait til I get enough technique to overcome his size/strength advantage.
     
  17. txfighter13 Purple Belt

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    always use technique before strength.
     

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