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TDs not that effective

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I was just watching a clip of Joe Rogan experience. And they were saying Bork has the 3rd highest TD rate...

55% (granted Brock only had few fights). That's means about half the time he gets a TD. And he's #3 so all the guys below him have less than half a chance of TD's working. That's pretty low and for the third rate it means TD's in general are usually stuffed and don't work. Sure there's GSP who I think is #1 and lands almost every attempt but why do ppl say Wrestlers are so good in MMA and its such a great style when the top rated guys only land them less that every other attempt?

oh and

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If you can't wrestle, you're going to have a bad time when you face someone who can.
 
TD are too heavy on scorecards. 3 TDs in a round doesn't make you the victor if you got punched in the face 23 times trying and they stood back up from 2 of them.

On Subject: ummm, yes.
 
Well they just need to land one and then GNP is coming, no? Not sure how your stats are relevant tbf
 
Most guys land less than half of their strikes (when standing at least). Does that make striking irrelevant?
 
Yet we constantly see fights that are won by takedowns and top control or a finish on the ground. I'd say they're pretty effective if you're looking to win a fight.
 
how many fights have you seen where it doesn't end up on the ground eventually? Wrestlers excel on the ground and almost every fight ends up there. Wrestlers are tailor made for MMA with having to go through weight cuts and high intensity training. That's why wrestlers are so good at MMA, not because of TDs.
 
freakyfarley said:
Well they just need to land one and then GNP is coming, no? Not sure how your stats are relevant tbf
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No neccesarily. A good grappler can tie you up on the ground.
You don't want to TD Werdum or Jacare, not gonna GnP em but get subbed or neutralized.

Conor took Diaz down and Nate just controlled his wrists and didn't get any damage.
 
Fahcough said:
TD are too heavy on scorecards. 3 TDs in a round doesn't make you the victor if you got punched in the face 23 times trying and they stood back up from 2 of them.

On Subject: ummm, yes.
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I couldn't agree more ... but I think we are starting to see a shift in how TD's are scored now. I feel like TD's that don't lead to advanced positions, sub attempts and effective GnP are not being rewarded by judges quite as much as they used to.
 
Maia might disagree. Also, guys are more skilled now than ever before.
 
iwhoopedbatman said:
Most guys land less than half of their strikes (when standing at least). Does that make striking irrelevant?
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Yes, it does. There has never been a relevant strike in UFC/MMA history.

Ever.

Because TS didn't think this through very well and their logic doesn't seem to be very logical when he's saying that Brock Lesnar's TDs, which led to his "ground and pound" victories, are clearly not effective. At all. Even though they won him all of his fights. Because TS is a smart individual.
 
WinZip said:
Yes, it does. There has never been a relevant strike in UFC/MMA history.

Ever.

Because TS didn't think this through very well and their logic doesn't seem to be very logical when he's saying that Brock Lesnar's TDs, which led to his "ground and pound" victories, are clearly not effective. At all. Even though they won him all of his fights. Because TS is a smart individual.
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It cost him his last 2 fights, and were negated by the time he was fighting Carwin.

I made it because everybody says how Brock takes anybody down and his TDs are so devastating but in reality he only lands half of them.
 
KOskater said:
No neccesarily. A good grappler can tie you up on the ground.
You don't want to TD Werdum or Jacare, not gonna GnP em but get subbed or neutralized.

Conor took Diaz down and Nate just controlled his wrists and didn't get any damage.
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Indeed not necesarily, but a takedown is still pretty much the only way to take the fight to the ground.
 
Because wrestling is the art of transitioning between different phases of combat and controlling people in them. It ties together all the various facets of martial arts and allows you to choose to fight where your opponent is weakest.
 
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