Movies Tarantino possibly considering a Bill origin story.

[VinceArch]

QT said it could still be done as a graphic novel. I'd be down for that as long as they made them look like Michael Madsen and John Travolta.

Oh hell yeah, that'd be cool!

 

[HHJ]

So his last film isn’t going to be about some film critic he liked? That’s a relief. That sounded boring as shit

He woulda made it DOPE

 

[HHJ]

Why do you guys get so upset that people don’t like the same things you like? Is it that you feel it’s an attack on you somehow?

Incredible.

COS ITS A TALE OF BLOODY REVENGE

"bah humbug i dont like tales of bloody revenge, I came in here to say that and then wonder why people give me SHIT"

 

[Kingz]

I wonder if he’ll cast Paul Dano as Bill

 

[Highway99]

I wonder if he’ll cast Paul Dano as Bill

Maybe if there's a role for a weak sister.

 

[Bullitt68]

That's what makes it interesting. We completely sympathize with the daughter and even become attached to her as we follow her journey. At the same time we won't root against The Bride. But they must inevitably clash. I guess in a modern context you could say it's like Iron Man vs Captain America. Only at the end of this one, one of them has to die.

There are also precedents in Asian action film history, which we know is relevant to Tarantino and to this cinematic universe. Nobody wants the duel between Iron Whip and Silver Roc to actually go down in Chang Cheh's Golden Swallow, Zatoichi crosses paths (and swords) with Toshiro Mifune's ronin from Kurosawa's films and Wang Yu's One-Armed Swordsman and we want to root for everyone. I've wanted a third volume for 20 years and I still think it's a great idea for capping his career, and the moral complexity is one of the greatest selling points.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Umm...

 

[HHJ]

Maybe if there's a role for a weak sister.

I personally think Tarantino is being way too harsh here.

I thought that guy's performance was great.

 

[Kingz]

I personally think Tarantino is being way too harsh here.

I thought that guy's performance was great.

He’s hung up on the fact it wasn’t a bigger star because he views the Eli character as the main nemesis/competitor to Daniel rather than the weakling who gets bullied and steamrolled by Daniel the entire movie.

If you view him as a victim then Dano is perfect. If he seems like he doesn’t belong on the screen with Daniel then that is part of the performance as he’s overmatched in every way.

QT had stated that he viewed Dano as a flaw in the movie years ago. He didn’t attack Paul as an actor then, he just felt that somebody bigger should’ve been in the role to match Lewis. Like a Gangs of New York dynamic but that would ring false within that story.

I somewhat get where he’s coming from as when the movie came out Dano was a relative nobody. I had only seen him in Little Miss Sunshine. I remember thinking “so this kid is really going to be the guy?” and some scenes on first viewing were a bit jarring but it gets better with repeat viewings.

The only other person I could see doing the role better is Joaquin Phoenix. As he could embody the same meekness as Dano while simultaneously adding the matching grandness that QT was looking for.

I’ve always theorized Eli/Paul been written for Phoenix but he was doing his fake mental breakdown act at the time so he wasn’t doing normal work

QT has a habit of nitpicking his favorite movies. Even Boogie Nights he’ll start nitpicking because Burt Reynolds character didn’t fully match the real porn director it was based on. Like who gives a shit?

 

[HHJ]

If you view him as a victim then Dano is perfect. If he seems like he doesn’t belong on the screen with Daniel then that is part of the performance as he’s overmatched in every way.

The thing is, even though he's a pipsqueak weakling, the danger is in the power he had over the locals with religion.

Dont matter how tough you are, thats some rough shit to fight against. Daniel had to be brought low and compromise greatly in order to achieve his aims.

But he swore revenge right in that guy's face, although at the time, we didnt know what he's said, just that it disturbed Eli.

By the time we get to the end of the movie we kinda forget about that. We see Daniel dead drunk on the floor and a sober Eli looking down on the pitiful Daniel. We just dont expect the total 180 this scene has in store for us. It's genius and the dynamic between the two characters makes it so.

 

[Highway99]

I personally think Tarantino is being way too harsh here.

I thought that guy's performance was great.

Yeah...but it's sorta funny it's making the news now though. He's had this criticism of Dano ever since the movie came out..

 

[HHJ]

Yeah...but it's sorta funny it's making the news now though. He's had this criticism of Dano ever since the movie came out..

I've def heard these quotes a long time ago.

 

[Highway99]

I've def heard these quotes a long time ago.

This is a clip from like 15 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3rrUW6CmW4MRBDM5qDCiAB4UL7FRNcmF

 

[Highway99]

This is a clip from like 15 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3rrUW6CmW4MRBDM5qDCiAB4UL7FRNcmF

The second half of this clip has the audio of the newer Dano comments:
(the first part is from the original clip posted)

 

[fendertach]

Bill Cosby?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I’ll pass on this shit. I do not understand the appeal of the Kill Bill movies.

Same.

Love all of Tarantino's movies but the Kill Bill films suck.

 

[Adamant]

There are also precedents in Asian action film history, which we know is relevant to Tarantino and to this cinematic universe. Nobody wants the duel between Iron Whip and Silver Roc to actually go down in Chang Cheh's Golden Swallow, Zatoichi crosses paths (and swords) with Toshiro Mifune's ronin from Kurosawa's films and Wang Yu's One-Armed Swordsman and we want to root for everyone. I've wanted a third volume for 20 years and I still think it's a great idea for capping his career, and the moral complexity is one of the greatest selling points.

I don't really follow Asian cinema. As long as it doesn't end up like every American versus movie between two heroes/goodguys/people we want to root for, where "at first they fight, then they realize they're on the same side and decide to team up to take down an even bigger threat" nonsense we've seen 945734895789345 times before. That would be awesome if we ended up liking the daughter and didn't want her to fight the Bride. But for whatever reason they are compelled to still fight (not by an outside force but between themselves). And then one of them dies (not by an outside force, but directly and purposely because of the other). I'm not sure how you'd factor the Bride's daughter into it. I wouldn't want it to be 2 vs 1 because the Bride shouldn't need help. So it would be interesting to see how it unfolded.

Speaking of the Golden Swallow movie where they cross paths and we want to root for everyone, how do they resolve that without resorting to the above mentioned cliche? (Or do they go with the cliche? - You don't have to mention WHO wins)

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Quentin Tarantino Should Do a Kill Bill Prequel

We'd love to see more of the Kill Bill story, especially if it's another Tarantino movie.

www.denofgeek.com

I like the idea of a Bill origin. A story of Bill, about how Bill became Bill and the three godfathers that made Bill: Esteban Vihaio, Pai Mei, and Hattori Hanzō.”

Man, this could work very well as an epic-form miniseries.

At this point its 10+ years too late.

 

[Bullitt68]

I don't really follow Asian cinema. As long as it doesn't end up like every American versus movie between two heroes/goodguys/people we want to root for, where "at first they fight, then they realize they're on the same side and decide to team up to take down an even bigger threat" nonsense we've seen 945734895789345 times before.

It doesn't. Hong Kong wuxia and Japanese samurai movies don't play that shit...

Speaking of the Golden Swallow movie where they cross paths and we want to root for everyone, how do they resolve that without resorting to the above mentioned cliche? (Or do they go with the cliche? - You don't have to mention WHO wins)

Non-spoiler version: In Golden Swallow, they do a kind of "enemy of my enemy" thing with an actual bad guy doing bad guy shit while the protagonists' conflict is brewing. But neither Golden Swallow nor Zatoichi and the One-Armed Swordsman have happy endings.

Spoiler explanations for both films:

Spoiler

Golden Swallow is a sequel to a film called Come Drink with Me in which Cheng Pei-pei plays the legendary warrior Golden Swallow. In the sequel, she ends up in a love triangle with a new nice guy named Iron Whip and a bad ass from her past named Silver Roc. It seems like a duel between them is inevitable, and the whole time we are (as Golden Swallow is) hoping it doesn't happen and trying to figure out a way it can be stopped. The clever bit is at the end, Silver Roc is such an amazing warrior that he senses a bad guy making a move to kill Golden Swallow during the duel, and so he goes to kill him and save her -- but Iron Whip thinks that Silver Roc is going for the death blow on him, so he tries to counter. Long story short: Silver Roc saves the day and proves he was the superior warrior, but Iron Whip kills him. Awesome movie from Chang Cheh, the GOAT Shaw Brothers director (King Hu, the director of the original Come Drink with Me, tends to get all the praise, but he's the weak sister).

I also referenced Zatoichi. Well, in Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo, the legendary warriors fight to a draw, while in Zatoichi and the One-Armed Swordsman, both warriors are trying to protect someone, but Zatoichi only speaks Japanese (and he's blind so he can't read or see facial expressions/body language) while the One-Armed Swordsman only speaks Chinese, and their inability to communicate leads them to doubt each other and eventually they end up crossing swords, with Zatoichi getting wounded but still dealing the death blow. In a stroke of genius, each warrior expresses in their language (and we can see the subtitles for both) their regret at having to fight, and as the One-Armed Swordsman lay dying, he and Zatoichi each essentially say the same thing and finish each other's different-language-sentences talking about how if only they could've communicated it wouldn't have had to come to this. Another brilliant film.

 

[Plissken]

I either imagined it or I can't find evidence, Tom Cruise once said he desperately wanted to work with QT(I think in context of having QT direct a mission impossible). I think if they could get an idea together it would have a great chance of making it through the studios.

Jesus, Cruise's manic Scientologist energy and Tarantino's manic cokehead energy combined... it'd end up looking like a scene out of Tetsuo the Iron Man.