Tainted Supplements - what are they?

[MMAMA]

A supplement is defined as a 'food' and falls under all the same rules and regulations related to food standards and additives as food.

I don't believe that tainted supplements exist. If a food/supplement company was deliberately adding controlled/restricted pharmaceuticals to their product the consequences would be extremely serious, just like if Red Bull added meth to its energy drinks. 'Tainted' implies that its accidental contamination, and food can get accidentally contaminated, for example, we are all used to reading 'may contain nuts' because although the product doesn't contain nuts, it is processed in a facility which also processes nuts, so they can't rule out contamination. Still, its impossible to believe, in the same way, that food could be cross-contaminated with pharmacological agents .

Some banned substances have in the past been (and still are being) sold as supplements, e.g DMAE and often the question over whether something is natural vs a pharmaceutical agent is blurred. Testosterone is natural right?

So I don't think that tainted supplements exist, but a lot of the tests for PEDs don't actually accurately test for the presence of a particular chemical compound, they use 'round about' methods and probabilities and these 'natural' supplements may trigger the tests in the same way as the pharmaceuticals even though a different chemical is involved. It reminds me of a supplement I took for a while 'GSE' (Grapefruit Seed Extract) which claims to be an anti-viral and anti-bacterial agent, but when it was tested, the labs said it contained benzethonium chloride which could not have come from Grapefruit Seeds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit_seed_extract

But obviously it didn't because GSE is used rather widely and benzethonium chloride is a pretty nasty agent the you would know about pretty quickly if you ingested it. But it shows up the same way in the tests.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

Dat Kangaroo meat, if Mir couldnt find a supplement he used to avoid a 2 year ban for Tbol neither will Jones. It's all Bullshit. Tainted supplements is an excuse. It's an out. Even if you're 100 percent guilty. Gullible fans will believe it.

 

[ocfightfan]

It's a blurry line to be sure, and the supplement industry is a hive of scum and villainy.

I don't know how it is today, but many of the top supplement companies of the past were started by steroid dealers who spend time in prison.

The industry is also known for pixie dusting, where the first batch or so of a supplement is tainted in order to generate buzz about the product to kickstart sales.

I now suspect that some of these companies are deliberately tainting their supplements to work with pro athletes that need an out in case they fail a test.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

It's a blurry line to be sure, and the supplement industry is a hive of scum and villainy.

I don't know how it is today, but many of the top supplement companies of the past were started by steroid dealers who spend time in prison.

The industry is also known for pixie dusting, where the first batch or so of a supplement is tainted in order to generate buzz about the product to kickstart sales.

I now suspect that some of these companies are deliberately tainting their supplements to work with pro athletes that need an out in case they fail a test.

Kudos for star wars reference.

 

[tonil]

 

[MakeSherdogGreatAgain]

Whether they exist or not is irrelevant. The part that matters is that all the people that claim to have taken a "tainted supplement" are adults. They know they're going to be drug tested in their chosen profession, therefore it's their responsibility to know what they're putting in their body.

Drug test failure is drug test failure, period. No more excuses and no more shorter suspensions. If the first offense is a 2 year suspension, so be it. They aren't going to clean it up if they keep cutting people breaks over bullshit excuses.

To be clear, I have no problem with steroids. My problem comes in with the dishonesty. I fucking hate liars. If you're not supposed to do it, and you're doing it, but you're pretending to be clean and acting surprised when you get popped, I have no repect for you as a person.

I've always said they need to have an all steroid league where they just don't drug test and let the games begin. Then, if you piss hot in the clean league, you're banned for life and you can no longer be a sanctioned prizefighter, period...that would clean up the clean league so fast, and I hate to say this next part, but there wouldn't be many left in the clean league.

 

[Ignicious]

I'd be careful to use something if it's made/bought in Asia

 

[ninja boot]

Tainted Supplements - what are they? they're a shitty excuse someone uses when they have an addictions problem they can't overcome.

 

[dim_]

Theres two kinds of "Supplements"

Dietary supplements - your creatine's, your workout shakes, your pre-workout drinks, your electrolyte drinks.. Usually made my reputable brands, SIS, MP, etc its very rare any of these are found to be contaminated

then there are

"Supplements" - your testosterone boosters, your mass gainers, your shredders.. these are rarely made by reputable brands and are frequently found to be "contaminated"

 

[MMAMA]

Ok, but what if taking Tribulus or Tongkat-Ali, or maybe even creatine shows up in the PEDs test?

 

[linvillegorge]

They're excuses that steroid users fall back on when they get popped.

 

[NoContest]

Most likely there's info out there about which supplements are "contaminated" with what. When a fighter pops for a certain chemical, they just say they were taking that supplement.

 

[I Am Legion]

Its retarded that supplements aren't regulated by the FDA. You truly don't know what the fuck is in them. There are definitely companies putting roids in their mixes...that stuff works, the actual supplements don't.

 

[egk]

Supplement companies aren't regulated like drugs. They're considered food.

Dietary supplements are considered safe until proven unsafe. In 1994, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) defined dietary supplements as a category of food, which put them under different regulations than drugs. They are considered safe until proven otherwise.

 

[MMAMA]

Whether they exist or not is irrelevant. The part that matters is that all the people that claim to have taken a "tainted supplement" are adults. They know they're going to be drug tested in their chosen profession, therefore it's their responsibility to know what they're putting in their body.

Drug test failure is drug test failure, period. No more excuses and no more shorter suspensions. If the first offense is a 2 year suspension, so be it. They aren't going to clean it up if they keep cutting people breaks over bullshit excuses.

To be clear, I have no problem with steroids. My problem comes in with the dishonesty. I fucking hate liars. If you're not supposed to do it, and you're doing it, but you're pretending to be clean and acting surprised when you get popped, I have no repect for you as a person.

I've always said they need to have an all steroid league where they just don't drug test and let the games begin. Then, if you piss hot in the clean league, you're banned for life and you can no longer be a sanctioned prizefighter, period...that would clean up the clean league so fast, and I hate to say this next part, but there wouldn't be many left in the clean league.

I agree, but if supplements trigger positive tests even if they aren't tainted with 'pixie dust' as another poster suggested then what are we asking fighters to do? I gave the examples of Tribulus and Tongkat-ali. They claim to increase testosterone and are natural.

 

[Shaddows]

A supplement is defined as a 'food' and falls under all the same rules and regulations related to food standards and additives as food.

I don't believe that tainted supplements exist. If a food/supplement company was deliberately adding controlled/restricted pharmaceuticals to their product the consequences would be extremely serious, just like if Red Bull added meth to its energy drinks. 'Tainted' implies that its accidental contamination, and food can get accidentally contaminated, for example, we are all used to reading 'may contain nuts' because although the product doesn't contain nuts, it is processed in a facility which also processes nuts, so they can't rule out contamination. Still, its impossible to believe, in the same way, that food could be cross-contaminated with pharmacological agents .

Some banned substances have in the past been (and still are being) sold as supplements, e.g DMAE and often the question over whether something is natural vs a pharmaceutical agent is blurred. Testosterone is natural right?

So I don't think that tainted supplements exist, but a lot of the tests for PEDs don't actually accurately test for the presence of a particular chemical compound, they use 'round about' methods and probabilities and these 'natural' supplements may trigger the tests in the same way as the pharmaceuticals even though a different chemical is involved. It reminds me of a supplement I took for a while 'GSE' (Grapefruit Seed Extract) which claims to be an anti-viral and anti-bacterial agent, but when it was tested, the labs said it contained benzethonium chloride which could not have come from Grapefruit Seeds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit_seed_extract

But obviously it didn't because GSE is used rather widely and benzethonium chloride is a pretty nasty agent the you would know about pretty quickly if you ingested it. But it shows up the same way in the tests.

you can't "not believe" in it.
It was proven to exist.

You can try to deny reality, but then you are simply lying to yourself.

Supplements are made in the lab. Many times it is the same lat that produces other pills as well, and those might contain the banned substance.

In Yoel case for instance, not only USADA tested the supplements he took and detected the presence of banned substances, but they also went and bought that supplement themselves and found (the presence of banned substances).
So it happens.

And it might have happened to Jon as well (AFAIK), and this is part of the investigation USADA is doing.


this is not like claiming "I don't believe in god".
Because you can't prove God exists (or that he does not exist). This is purely faith.

But in this case, it was proven that contamination can happen. You can't keep denying it.

 

[Batjester]

Supplements kept on or around the taint.

 

[blewgums]

They're supplements that were rubbed all over a stripper's taint.

So they can be pretty nasty.

 

[El Fernas]

The good stuff pro athletes love to buy.

 

[MMAMA]

Supplement companies aren't regulated like drugs. They're considered food.

Dietary supplements are considered safe until proven unsafe. In 1994, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) defined dietary supplements as a category of food, which put them under different regulations than drugs. They are considered safe until proven otherwise.

Yes they are considered 'food' that was my original point. But don't you think that food is highly regulated? Its more regulated than drugs infact because we all eat food! You can't put a pharma drug in a food product at all and get away with it. You would go to jail and your company would go bust.