T-800 Most Intimidating

[Deleted member 110072]

I always thought the path for Predator was obvious. Aged Dutch brought back into action when a new Predator arrives to go hunting.

It's been 30 years, Dutch maybe has PTSD from the first encounter. This new Predator can slightly expand the lore a bit, learn something new about the Predators. Like one little thing. Not fucking two races of predators fighting each other, not a super Predator 10 times the size of a regular predator, not predators trying to fight climate change, not predators trying to put autism into their own DNA.

I mean like, a new weapon or two. That's sufficient.

So basically, something like Rambo 4 but for Dutch.

He goes in as a consultant, like Ripley in Aliens, and ends up getting pulled into the action.

It beats these new teams of 8 people nobody gives a shit about, all the while learning 100 new things about the predators that don't make any sense.

I've really gained an appreciation for Predator 2 with Danny Glover, given what has followed.

At the time I'd guess Arnie's career success meant he was less interested in Predator sequels plus you could argue that the original film picked up a fanbase rather more slowly than Terminator, it was always popular but its really only post millennium that its been talked about on the same kind of level as the latter. I am a bit surprised though there was never any attempt to get Arnie back in recent years.

Predator 2 is definitely looking better with time as an attempt to expand these franchise in a more tasteful fashion and indeed as a bit of a greatest hits of late 80's/early 90's action cinema. At this stage though I just think all these franchises have become so complex that rebooting might be the only way to make them manageable, maybe Predator isn't quite so bad as it would be easier to disregard all that stuff.

 

[BisexualMMA]

At the time I'd guess Arnie's career success meant he was less interested in Predator sequels plus you could argue that the original film picked up a fanbase rather more slowly than Terminator, it was always popular but its really only post millennium that its been talked about on the same kind of level as the latter. I am a bit surprised though there was never any attempt to get Arnie back in recent years.

Predator 2 is definitely looking better with time as an attempt to expand these franchise in a more tasteful fashion and indeed as a bit of a greatest hits of late 80's/early 90's action cinema. At this stage though I just think all these franchises have become so complex that rebooting might be the only way to make them manageable, maybe Predator isn't quite so bad as it would be easier to disregard all that stuff.

Well, Arnold was offered a part in Shane Black's The Predator but was disgusted with the script.

Obviously Alien has gone insane with Prometheus and Covenant, but the ship could still be righted perhaps with somebody doing Blomkamp's Alien 2.5 with Sigourney and Michael Biehn. I'm actually not really sure Blomkamp is the guy for the job, but Ripley and Hicks doing basically what I described for Dutch earlier would be a stronger move than remaking Alien.

I'm not opposed to your ideas of remaking the originals (although I don't think there's really room for improvement the way there was for The Thing of The Fly) but if that were done with Alien, I think it would just go by the wayside like it did for Friday the 13th.

 

[Phlog]

It was the uncanny valley movement that did it for me.

 

[dc007]

I just had this convo with my friend. I said they keep making the terminator weaker looking while being more dangerous. It's bullshit. Make him scary like Nazi Arnold.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Well, Arnold was offered a part in Shane Black's The Predator but was disgusted with the script.

Obviously Alien has gone insane with Prometheus and Covenant, but the ship could still be righted perhaps with somebody doing Blomkamp's Alien 2.5 with Sigourney and Michael Biehn. I'm actually not really sure Blomkamp is the guy for the job, but Ripley and Hicks doing basically what I described for Dutch earlier would be a stronger move than remaking Alien.

I'm not opposed to your ideas of remaking the originals (although I don't think there's really room for improvement the way there was for The Thing of The Fly) but if that were done with Alien, I think it would just go by the wayside like it did for Friday the 13th.

Not sure I trust Blomkamp personally, District 9 was decent but I'v been less impressed since then and I get the sense him doing an Alien film would end up as a rather geekish reworking of Aliens with the loader tech overused.

You can't really follow on Aliens directly these days can you? I spose you could reboot things so the Sulaco malfunctions somehow and the characters have been in hypersleep for decades although that would gainsay Ripley not aging between Alien and Aliens.

The advantage you have with a remake is that your not tied down to all this existing detail, you could say have an Alien film that retains the very basic setup and Giger's design work but plays around with the story/characters a bit and maybe the Alien's life cycle.

 

[Prex32]

James Cameron is why. He knows how to build tension and make them scary. I just hope he hasn't lost the touch with this new one.

i wish he was the director too.

 

[Amerikuracana]

The best scifi films are actually horror films.

I don't agree with this.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Oh, and the trailers for the new one totally suck. I hope I get surprised. over 80% AUDIENCE score gets me to see it.

For some kinds of movies, I have trusted critics much more. Pathetically, that's coming to an end.

 

[Fatality]

For some kinds of movies, I have trusted critics much more. Pathetically, that's coming to an end.

Film critics are nothing but shills these days. Any movie that critics approve, I avoid like the fucking plague.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Film critics are nothing but shills these days. Any movie that critics approve, I avoid like the fucking plague.

I wouldn't go that far, yet.

 

[Noodles03]

I can confirm TS, I am t-800.

Quick question, does techno music still exist in the future?

 

[BisexualMMA]

Not sure I trust Blomkamp personally, District 9 was decent but I'v been less impressed since then and I get the sense him doing an Alien film would end up as a rather geekish reworking of Aliens with the loader tech overused.

You can't really follow on Aliens directly these days can you? I spose you could reboot things so the Sulaco malfunctions somehow and the characters have been in hypersleep for decades although that would gainsay Ripley not aging between Alien and Aliens.

The advantage you have with a remake is that your not tied down to all this existing detail, you could say have an Alien film that retains the very basic setup and Giger's design work but plays around with the story/characters a bit and maybe the Alien's life cycle.

I don't trust Blomkamp either. He seems hard pressed to make his Oats shorts compelling for 10 full minutes. He's a visuals guy...he would be an incredible right hand man to a story-driven director.

As for a direct sequel to Aliens... Yeah I think it can be done today. Unfortunately, the idea of ignoring shitty sequels and picking up early in the stream is getting diluted, with Halloween doing it and now Terminator. But the response was strong when Blomkamp tweeted out his Photoshopped concept art for Alien 2.5.

I don't think you even need to do the "Alien 3 was all a dream" or "their ship malfunctioned" or any of that. Just come up with the best backstory over the last 30 years that fits this new movie and press forward with it. Just ignore everything after 1986.

I think in this instance people will welcome it.

Nobody wanted to see Hicks and Newt die offscreen. Nobody wanted to hear that Weyland Yutani was purchased by Wal Mart. Just screw it, Highlander 2 and Jason in Space style.

 

[HHJ]

 

[Bob Gray]

He was terrifying because you cared about Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese. Who the fuck cares about Mike Kripke, Katherine Brewster, Dani Ramos and Marcus Wright...

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

The mono mix of Terminator 1 is vastly superior to the stereo mix

So much so that I might call anyone who watches the stereo mix a pleb

 

[ClubFoot]

I remember watching the original and seeing some fat bearded guy caught on camera by mistake.

It the scene as shown in the OT as the terminator is walking down the corridor towards S and K.

In the version I watched it was obvious they were carrying the top part of the terminator on a board (with no legs) and were carrying it with 2 at the front and two at the back.

I am buggered if I can find that version now.

Has anyone else seen fat bearded guy peeking from behind the Terminator?

 

[djacobox372]

T-1000 was great too. James Cameron is why. He knows how to build tension and make them scary. I just hope he hasn't lost the touch with this new one.

He's not directing this new one.

 

[Bob Gray]

I've really gained an appreciation for Predator 2 with Danny Glover, given what has followed.

Damn, that is accurate. I recently introduced my girlfriends boys (ages 8 and 9) to the Predator franchise. Predator was an absolute instant classic. I was shocked how well it held up. The 8 year old was outside trying to build ropes and shit in the trees so he could jump down on people like the Predator, the 9 year year old is on a soccer team and they had to come up with a name, so now his team is called The Predators.

Predator 2 was still entertaining. Not fantastic, and once they go into the subway and the bullets and shit are ricocheting off him Im like "Thats kinda bullshit", but overall its still a fun way to come back tot the world. Predators was almost there. It had the pieces it just didnt hold them together.

Anyway, the short answer is, "Yeah, thats true"

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Predator 2 is sooooooo much better than The Predator

Even Predators is better

I'd say that The Predator is easily the worst in the franchise

I think Shane Black pretty much killed that franchise with his film.

 

[HHJ]

Damn, that is accurate. I recently introduced my girlfriends boys (ages 8 and 9) to the Predator franchise. Predator was an absolute instant classic. I was shocked how well it held up. The 8 year old was outside trying to build ropes and shit in the trees so he could jump down on people like the Predator, the 9 year year old is on a soccer team and they had to come up with a name, so now his team is called The Predators.

Predator 2 was still entertaining. Not fantastic, and once they go into the subway and the bullets and shit are ricocheting off him Im like "Thats kinda bullshit", but overall its still a fun way to come back tot the world. Predators was almost there. It had the pieces it just didnt hold them together.

Anyway, the short answer is, "Yeah, thats true"

I always loved the everloving shit outta predator 2