Social Sweden. Update: Came in Ferrari - applied for social benefits

[Islam Imamate]

In a traditionally diverse society? Sure, why not. In a secular one, or a traditionally Christian one? Well that all depends on the local traditions and customs I'd say.

So if they weren't praying it would be fine?

Do you think those folks in that pic would be ok with Christians holding Sunday Mass a hop, skip and a jump from the Kaaba? Should the intolerant be afforded tolerance?

If they were asking to pray inside the Roman Colosseum that'd be a different story.

As far as the comment about the Kaaba, well even Muslims don't have the right to peaceably assemble in Saudi Arabia so its kind of a silly comparison. Don't think that country should be the standard that secular democracies hold themselves to but maybe that's just me.

 

[Bald1]

So if they weren't praying it would be fine?
[QUITE]Do you think those folks in that pic would be ok with Christians holding Sunday Mass a hop, skip and a jump from the Kaaba? Should the intolerant be afforded tolerance?

If they were asking to pray inside the Roman Colosseum that'd be a different story.

As far as the comment about the Kaaba, well even Muslims don't have the right to peaceably assemble in Saudi Arabia so its kind of a silly comparison. Don't think that country should be the standard that secular democracies hold themselves to but maybe that's just me.[/QUOTE]
Asked and answered. What are you getting at?

Just to cut to the chase - you know I'm a staunch secularist and an atheist so you know my feelings on such foolishness. I'm fine with people chosing to believe what they will, but don't be a pain in my ass about it. Once again, Islam is peculiar in this regard with blaring the call to prayer, being a nuisance with demands for prayer rooms and underperforming 1 out of 12 months of the year.

And Mecca is the equivalent of the Vatican city I'd say. So 5km from there is just a hop, skip and a jump from the kaaba. Nevermind that Christian, atheists or Zoroastrians couldn't assemble, they're note allowed within the city.

I'm not comparing countries. I'm comparing religious tolerance.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Asked and answered. What are you getting at?

Just to cut to the chase - you know I'm a staunch secularist and an atheist so you know my feelings on such foolishness. I'm fine with people chosing to believe what they will, but don't be a pain in my ass about it. Once again, Islam is peculiar in this regard with blaring the call to prayer, being a nuisance with demands for prayer rooms and underperforming 1 out of 12 months of the year.

And Mecca is the equivalent of the Vatican city I'd say. So 5km from there is just a hop, skip and a jump from the kaaba. Nevermind that Christian, atheists or Zoroastrians couldn't assemble, they're note allowed within the city.

I'm not comparing countries. I'm comparing religious tolerance.

Are those Muslims responsible for the religious intolerance of Saudi Arabia? If not, then why should the lack of freedom there have any bearing on them? If we shouldn't tolerant intolerance should that apply to intolerant secular atheists as well, especially in traditionally Christian societies? Certainly secular atheists have a far worse track record of intolerance in the recent past than Muslims do and we that continues today with the likes of China.

Also lol at Ramadan being an inconvenience for others, imagine being that self centered so as to think the fasting of others is a burden on you. Capitalism really has warped our minds.

As far as blaring the call to prayer I agree that shouldn't be done, Muslims should strive to be good neighbors. As far as the prayer room thing that depends on the context. Sometimes its a reasonable demand, other times not so much. Where my brother works they have a small room where the Muslims meet up to pray. Thankfully he has that luxury since in his field its the employees who are in high demand and therefore the employers have to give them plenty of respect and amenities to stay competitive instead of ruthlessly exploiting them at every turn.

 

[sweede]

A month with Operation Rimfrost - this has happened, 2019-12-14

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/en-manad-med-operation-rimfrost-detta-har-hant

A month has passed since the police launched the special event called Operation Rimfrost in Malmö. Intensive work is underway to curb the crime of violence and several seizures and arrests have been made. At the same time, Malmö Police Chief Stefan Sintéus thinks there is no "quick fix."

Operation Rimfrost was launched earlier this fall after a series of serious acts of violence in Malmö. Despite this, several murders have taken place in the city ever since.

- This is about individuals who regardless of what had attacked each other anyway. Preventing a murder between two people is basically impossible in the short term, says Stefan Sintéus, Malmö police chief and regional commander in chief of the operation.

Thursday's press conference to mark a month with Operation Rimfrost is part of the effort to make the police work more visible. Stefan Sintéus told about the many attacks and arrests that were carried out during the month.

- 45 people have been arrested
- 25 house searches
- 15 kilos of drugs
- 350 000 SEK
- over 20 weapons, Uzi, shotgun and Kalashnikovs
- several kilos of explosives
- on the minus side there have been 5 murders via shootings and 3 blasts

The chief of police himself patrolled this week. In the Saturday interview, he talks about a strong criminal presence in areas where the police have a hard time doing their job because of gangs that act ruthlessly.

Chief of Police Anders Thornberg

- They take over the whole center, they refuse to obey when the police tell them. They come in with cars, park illeaglly, and do not care about reprimands. You have to be tough and this goes on to very threatening situations.

In Malmö, the police has so far arrested over 40 people. Chief of Staff Stefan Sintéus tells that there are significantly more people in sight.

- We have looked at the thousands. Of them we have activities against several.

 

[ElKarlo]

There becomes a point when cancer is too deeply entrenched to properly remove it. Sweden might be very close.
Better think about just putting them on a plane with 10k is cash and make them forfeit their right to ever reenter the EU. Do that a hundred thousand times in Sweden and things may become ok again. The Islamic cancer is definitely in the later stages there.

 

[ElKarlo]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/violent-protests-rage-india-fourth-121010209.html India is willing to take in Hindu, Buddhist or Christian refugees from surrounding Muslim countries. Muslims are mad and are wrecking stuff. Way to prove the Indian govt right. It's best to not let them in.

 

[Stoic1]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/violent-protests-rage-india-fourth-121010209.html India is willing to take in Hindu, Buddhist or Christian refugees from surrounding Muslim countries. Muslims are mad and are wrecking stuff. Way to prove the Indian govt right. It's best to not let them in.

Religion of peace.

 

[Mendacious]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/violent-protests-rage-india-fourth-121010209.html India is willing to take in Hindu, Buddhist or Christian refugees from surrounding Muslim countries. Muslims are mad and are wrecking stuff. Way to prove the Indian govt right. It's best to not let them in.

That was a pretty stupid law because 1) it obviously has an anti-Muslim bias and 2) there are plenty of oppressed Muslim minorities that need the refuge. They could have also added atheists to that list, who are persecuted by the religious.

Pakistan legally discriminates Ahmadiyya Muslims who are almost completely pacifistic, in order to have citizenship you have to officially denounce the faith and many Sunnis kill them.

If they would have allowed Muslim minorities like Ahmadiyya they could have not only looked like they were doing the right thing, but actually did the right thing.

Instead it’s just sowing division in a country with over 100,000,000 Muslims.

 

[Mendacious]

By the way, one of the reasons America’s Muslims aren’t constantly trying to bomb us isn’t just because they’re rich and educated, a lot of them are just from different traditions. A huge chunk aren’t even Muslim, if you don’t consider Nation of Islam to be real Muslims (they’re not)

Ahmadiyya Muslims will gather in crowds of thousands to protest ISIS and yet you can’t get a group of 3 Sunnis to publicly denounce them.

 

[ElKarlo]

That was a pretty stupid law because 1) it obviously has an anti-Muslim bias and 2) there are plenty of oppressed Muslim minorities that need the refuge. They could have also added atheists to that list, who are persecuted by the religious.

Pakistan legally discriminates Ahmadiyya Muslims who are almost completely pacifistic, in order to have citizenship you have to officially denounce the faith and many Sunnis kill them.

If they would have allowed Muslim minorities like Ahmadiyya they could have not only looked like they were doing the right thing, but actually did the right thing.

Instead it’s just sowing division in a country with over 100,000,000 Muslims.

Problem is, the muslims in India are already a problem. Encouraging more would bring instability and possibly allow even more extremists in.
Also the persecutors are Muslims. Why let more in? Which given Indias problems those minorities might become another problem within India.

Muslims need to prove that they can can coexist. The burden should be on them to prove that they can act like humans. Otherwise others are justified in refusing them access to their nations and

 

[Mendacious]

Problem is, the muslims in India are already a problem. Encouraging more would bring instability and possibly allow even more extremists in.
Also the persecutors are Muslims. Why let more in? Which given Indias problems those minorities might become another problem within India.

Muslims need to prove that they can can coexist. The burden should be on them to prove that they can act like humans. Otherwise others are justified in refusing them access to their nations and

Right, and you can solve that issue by specifically choosing persecuted minorities like Ahmadiyya and Shia who will not become suicide bombers, while also maintaining an equal policy.

There’s no reason a Sunni should ever benefit from that law because they’re the majority and do the persecuting. (Except for Myanmar, which is a difficult political issue for India)

It’s just Hindu nationalist BS that makes Indian Muslims feel less than.

I don’t disagree on principle, but India is a secular state, not a Hindu state, and it’s simply meant to divide.

It’s the equivalent of Democrats wanting to quickly legalize millions of illegal aliens because it would be popular among Hispanics and would also create millions of new Democratic voters.

Sorry but I’m not going to excuse divisive identity politics just because I don’t like Islam.

 

[TheGreatA]

By the way, one of the reasons America’s Muslims aren’t constantly trying to bomb us isn’t just because they’re rich and educated, a lot of them are just from different traditions. A huge chunk aren’t even Muslim, if you don’t consider Nation of Islam to be real Muslims (they’re not)

Ahmadiyya Muslims will gather in crowds of thousands to protest ISIS and yet you can’t get a group of 3 Sunnis to publicly denounce them.

America's successes always came from taking people from a variety of locations. Where they failed is when they allowed too many in a short period of time (ended up bringing in the Mafias, and so forth).

If they had, for example, just allowed in all the Germans in during Germany's, let's just say, worse years, I can't imagine that process having gone too smoothly. Now you're dealing with a bunch of people among whom there are probably hardcore Nazis. Just like, if we take just Muslim men from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, etc. there are bound to be hardcore jihadists.

It's a matter of picking and choosing, rather than absorbing people en masse. You have to think of it like building a house, you need the right elements to make it work. Can't just pour a bunch of cement down on the ground, and think that's all that goes into it.

Sweden and others have taken a very simplistic and gullible stance towards immigration.

 

[Shinigami]

Capitalism really has warped our minds.
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And socialism has murdered over 100 million. Capitalism has brought the world out of poverty faster than any other fucking thing. Only a true naive dipshit is going to shit on capitalism.

What is capitalism??? capitalism - an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
^ what part of this is the issue exactly????

What you really mean is the things that we have because we have so much shit because capitalism is so effective is the issue...

Muslims still try to act like it is 700 AD

 

[Fedorable]

Trust me, I don't want Christians or any other whack-job to show their beliefs either. I've tossed Jehova's witnesses out of my house. I don't have time for it.

We need to go a lot further and we aren't going to get there if we keep subscribing to this sort of bullshit.

Do I feel, or rather know, that some things, valuable things, are going to be lost by throwing the Bible out with the bathwater? For sure. And I have seen the ramifications of that with my very eyes, the loss of community, the loss of faith, the resulting nihilism and state worship. Utter infertility. Nonetheless, it's a process we must under-take. This is not the time to start back-sliding, after having gone so far.

Islam represents merely yet another obstacle on that path.

why'd you let them in your house? some sick fetish? Jehovah witness tossing? unreal.

 

[TheGreatA]

why'd you let them in your house? some sick fetish? Jehovah witness tossing? unreal.

Grabbing random people, carrying them and tossing them is a national sport. Couldn't help it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

And socialism has murdered over 100 million. Capitalism has brought the world out of poverty faster than any other fucking thing. Only a true naive dipshit is going to shit on capitalism.

What is capitalism??? capitalism - an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
^ what part of this is the issue exactly????

What you really mean is the things that we have because we have so much shit because capitalism is so effective is the issue...

Muslims still try to act like it is 700 AD

Who said anything about socialism ya goof? Also lol at "m-muh 100 million!"

Dealing with rubes like you is like debating a chat bot.

 

[Fedorable]

Grabbing random people, carrying them and tossing them is a national sport. Couldn't help it.

"couldn't help it" is a get outta jail free card for me. carry on.

 

[TheGreatA]

Who said anything about socialism ya goof? Also lol at "m-muh 100 million!"

Dealing with rubes like you is like debating a chat bot.

People tend to under-state how much havoc Communist dictatorships caused, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War
etc.

Some less famous ones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes#Others

That's a lot of bodies, no ifs or buts about it. Whether you want to attribute that to the Communists or their struggle against "bourgeois forces", in any case they were heavily involved in some of the more major and recent human losses of life.

Marx and Lenin both stated that mass genocide was necessary for Communism to come about.

 

[Oeshon]

I like your thoughts and agree with most but not this part.

What we must stop with is to blame politicians for the non-existent integration we see in Malmö. I have mentioned this quite a few times in this thread. People of Middle Eastern background are looking to Malmö and those areas that we call vulnerable areas. At the same time, those who have the economic muscles remain in these areas. We see this clearly in the social services when demographics are calculated per year and every new year the forecast was too small. We have seen a large influx of Danish Iraqis who moved to Rosengård when they have applied for housing and child support. The Syrians who had to stay in asylum homes in Northern Sweden have moved to Malmö in the last two years. For an unexplained reason, Afghans seek refuge in Stockholm and those who have been rejected are sent directly to Afghanistan and those we haven´t caught travel to France as this country does not have an agreement with Afghanistan. There they can reapply for asylum from the first EU country from which they applied for asylum after 19 months. The fact that they can live under the radar in a new country for almost 2 years shows just how far they can go to get back to Sweden.

Talking about Rosengård. They have their own shopping center like all parts of Malmö have. Coop, which is one of Sweden's largest food chains, has all translated into Arabic. In 2008, many Arabs complained that it was difficult to navigate in Swedish society and that it was too difficult to learn the Swedish language. The Social Democratic municipality gave in and made everyday life easier for Arabs. This led to a domino effect and now you will find hospitals, health centers, tax office, social services and schools with Arabic translation and access to interpreters. And the last thing that happened made the rest of the country surprised. Now we have Swedish news in easy to understand Swedish where the host speaks slowly and simply.

I think you know what I think about this, how we have been able to give way and with the fear of manifestations for marginalized groups in Sweden, we have done what the Arabs have wanted. All this submission we have been doing for the last 20 years has only made the new population despise us more. Instead of being grateful and seeing how much we have done to help, it has only had the opposite effect.

And finally, we are talking in Malmö about the silent migration, that is, the Malmö residents who have lived here all their lives who are now seeking outside Malmö. The population should be reduced, but it is increasing instead, as those who move in are so many times more than those of us who move out.

I got a Swedish friend from Malmo. Hes pro migrants and a hardcore lefty, yet he moved to Vancouver, Canada.

Typical lefty piece of shit.

Sweden is done for buddy. Come back to Thailand.

 

[original doom]

Here's a groundbreaking idea - practice your religion on your own time and in a manner that doesn't negatively effect others. If you're face down ass up in the middle of a sidewalk or a train isle you're placing your values above mine and might get stepped on.

This is called territorial pissing.

italians and arabs are good friends.