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Sutemi waza/sacrifice takedowns - videos inside

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Shemhazai, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. Shemhazai

    Shemhazai Black Belt

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    Being an open guard whore and pretty inept at the standing game, I find myself gravitating towards this style of takedowns whenever I get bored of guard pulling, as the sweep-like nature of these moves seems to 'click' more with my guard-oriented brain. For shits and giggles (and a lack of anything better to do at this very moment) I thought it would be cool to make a thread with videos and technique discussion on the various forms of cool sacrifice throws/trips used in judo, sambo, BJJ, wrestling and whatever other grappling style in which they are found. Hopefully I'm not the only one who finds these types of takedowns to be not only efficient and gentle, but totally awesome:

    YouTube - Sumi Gaeshi

    YouTube - Tani Otoshi

    YouTube - Sumi Gaeshi countered (Yoko) Sutemi waza

    YouTube - Lateral Trip - Reilly Bodycomb: Sambo Camp Brussels, Belgium 2010

    YouTube - Armdrag single

    YouTube - Uki waza Yoko otoshi Tani otoshi Yoko wakare Yoko gake Daki wakare
     
  2. Doctor Venture

    Doctor Venture Black Belt

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    Those type throws are awesome. We have two BJJ purple belts that regularly attend Judo class. The smaller one has a lot of success with sumi gaeshi, and is so good at rolling with you and taking top position.
     
  3. Knock Out Ned

    Knock Out Ned el mero mero

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    Great thread man. I really prefer these type of take downs as well and am starting to get into them. Good stuff.
     
  4. Carrera26

    Carrera26 Orange Belt

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    There are few throws better suited to the typical BJJ standup game than Sumi Gaeshi. Works best against and bent-over opponent, doesn't take a huge amount of skill, puts you right into mount if it works and is a guard pull if it doesnt

    More from my favorite Judoka


    Kashiwazaki, modern master of Judo Ne Waza and Sutemi Waza
    He's one of the best EVER with Tomoe Nage, and there's a lot of good stuff spread throughout this vid. Most of it is in the 2nd half or so if you're impatient and don't want to see the great stuff at the beginning...
     
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  5. _Glorfindel_

    _Glorfindel_ MMA Coach

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    Why taking the time to learn those throws when you can butt flopp or pull guard !!??!!

    butt flopp and pulling guard are so technical!!! :icon_twis
     
  6. Robschach13

    Robschach13 Green Belt

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    :icon_sad: .....I like pulling guard.....
     
  7. Shemhazai

    Shemhazai Black Belt

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    We get it, you're a non-BJJ grappler. Your signature told us as much already. Now either contribute to the thread or GTFO.

    Here's a nice application of sumi gaeshi against a single leg:

    YouTube - Renzo Gracie Academy Stamford - Jiu-Jitsu Training - Sumi Gaeshi
     
  8. chino3

    chino3 Purple Belt

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    marked for later
     
  9. Rod1

    Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Sacrifice throws are amazing against stiff arm newbs and bjj crouched stance, it has much better transition into BJJ than other throws and failure lets you pull guard. Of course if your opponent is also a good judoka and cartwheels of a tomoe, well you are done.
     
  10. unhommefou

    unhommefou White Belt

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    You forgot Hikikomi Gaeshi ...







    ...and Tawara Gaeshi

    YouTube - Tomo nage Ura nage Sumi gaeshi Hikkomi gaeshi Tawara gaeshi
     
  11. Feria

    Feria Green Belt

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    I used a sacrifice throw in my first tourny. it's probably on page 2 if you want to take a look. I feel more comfortable with them then other takedowns.
     
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    unearth187 Blue Belt

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    that was a pretty pitiful single leg, why even bother with sumi gaeshi when the opponent is practically armbarring himself?
     
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    unearth187 Blue Belt

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    Sacrifice throws can be good. However, bear in mind the key word is "sacrifice". If you are comfortable in the position you may end up in if the throw fails, then OK.

    And bear in mind different rules apply in judo regarding sacrifice throws - for example you can't use a sacrifice throw to counter a single/double leg (for example sumi/hikikomi gaeshi) UNLESS you show the shoot had it's momentum stopped (otherwise they just assume you were thrown on your back = ippon to the other guy).
     
  16. pl4zm4

    pl4zm4 White Belt

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    Due to BJJ's Focus on the Guard, the "worst case" end position isn't too bad. Hence why its my goto throw for Judo competition.

    That isn't an issue anymore. The IJF made grabbing for the legs illegal. You won't really need to worry about defending the single/double leg in Judo. However, it is my goto single leg counter during BJJ.
     
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    pl4zm4 White Belt

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  18. Carrera26

    Carrera26 Orange Belt

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    Yoko Otoshi & Uki Waza are grossly underrated. I always forget how powerful they are until we practice them again. Done right, you hit the ground hard with very little wanring and a skilled opponent can easily use that time to roll right over into mount or whatever.
     
  19. Shemhazai

    Shemhazai Black Belt

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    Under BJJ rules, the Chinese girl won that exchange (and would have continued to fight from a dominant position on the ground, most likely). But I guess you know that and are just trolling.
     
  20. M@sato

    [email protected] Green Belt

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    Freakin' awesome vids man, thanks for posting. I love tomoe-nage and have been working on that in randori as much as possible.
     

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