Supplements for losing weight while maintaining muscle mass?

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  1. DonkeyPuncher

    DonkeyPuncher Orange Belt

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    I am currently about 5
     
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    CLA, Glutamine, Green tea
     
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    Thanks. Would a combination creatine glutamine regimen be better than just glutamine? What about something like xenadrine? Any particular brands/supplements that people have found useful, or should i just go generic?
     
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    Don't take creatine with products containing large amounts of caffeine.
     
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    You dont really need creatine if you are trying to loose weight. Just make sure you getting quality stuff at a reasonable price.
     
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    Eat less, less often, and try drinking green tea or an energy drink (Monster Lo-Carb) before you eat breakfast, if you do have anything...

    ...I put my old lady on the energy drink diet, and it seems to work pretty well
     
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    Clenbuterol... nothing beats it for cutting fat.
     
  8. DonkeyPuncher

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    I've been considering green tea, both as a replacement for cofee and in supplement form...
    What about combining Xenadrine XFC (which has green tea and a bunch of other stuff) with some sort of protein after workouts to maintain lean muscle?
     
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    MadDildo Shame Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Creatine and Glutamine compete for the same receptors, so taking them simultaneously is inefficient.

    Creatine won't make you fat, though, you'll just retain water (on the monohydrate).
     
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    MadDildo Shame Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Take the Xenadrine before you work out (especially before cardio) as caffeine loosens essential fatty acid chains in the body- causing your body to consume a greater amount of stored fat as energy.
     
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    Yes, but it's illegal (unless you do the vet grade stuff) and moderately dangerous.
     
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    Creatine and glutamine absorption is not receptor meditated. The majority of glutamine is absorbed by enterocytes in the lumen of the small intestine. The glutamine not absorbed by the enterocytes enters portal cirtuclation and transproted to the liver where some is metabolized and the glutamine not metabolized by the liver enters systemic circulation distributed throughout the body. Glutamine transport is not receptor meditated but via an active TRANSPORT system.


    Creatine absorption is not well understood but is not receptor mediated. creatine is transported by active transport and Na+-dependent mechanism then transported via creatine transproters. Creatine absorption also takes place in the intestinanal track.

    Creatine and glutamine may compete for absorption in the intestinal track, but there is no scientific data to back that claim.
     
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    Nothing beats it for weaking your Heart


    Low Dose Clen Induces Cardiac Apoptosis
    It's been known for some time that clenbuterol at high doses causes cardiac necrosis. This study in animals shows that doses of 1 mcg/kg BW induce apoptosis (programmed cell death) in heart tissue. Humans not uncommonly ingest this much clen. For instance, in a 220 lb (100 kg) bodybuilder this translates to 100 mcg. The CEM store sells clen at a concentration of 200 mcg/ml! Other UG labs sell it at similar concentrations, ranging from 100 to 200 mcg per ml.


    J Appl Physiol. 2004 Dec 10; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

    {beta}2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

    Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

    Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom.

    High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known if this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections using a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed using annexin V, single-strand DNA labelling and TUNEL). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h, and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg kg(-1), with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.005 %; P<0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg kg(-1) . In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2 %; P<0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg kg(-1). Cardiomyocyte apoptosis occurred throughout the ventricles, atria and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way from the apex towards the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol or ICI 118,551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.
     
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    This is what I was thinking of doing... Xenadrine in the morning and before afternoon workout. I am also considering getting either protein powder or a protein/glucamine powder to take after workout to help with recovery time and prevent muscle loss. Would the protein/glucamine supplement, taken after workout, affect fat loss at all though?

    I don't plan on taking any sort of banned or dangerous substances.
     
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    After getting feedback on a number of forums and doing some internet research, I have decided to only take whey protein and l-glutamine after workouts. Most of the commercial fatburners seem like less effective ECA stacks. As it is I am overly sensitive to large amounts of caffeine, and ephedra products fuck me up too much. I am going to swich from cofee to green tea, and take a multivitamin as well. Thanks to all who offered help.
     
  16. Maddog20/20

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    I've noticed the l-glutamine help, it is what I would recomend. I can't have energy drinks or xenadrine etc. cause it messes with my heart and breathing. Maybe try some Aminos too, might help.
     
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    Most commercial fat burners are a bunch of bullshit thrown in with caffeine.
     
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    Most commercial fat burners are a bunch of bullshit thrown in with caffeine.
     

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