Summery in March (SCO v 31)

[CrazyN8]

You have an odd sense of humor. Anyway, I'm observing that you're not looking at this issue from the perspective of wanting to know the truth, you're just looking at it from the perspective of advancing a party and showing your tribe that you're willing to sacrifice your individuality and reason.



Your view that only someone with a mental disorder of some type would question GOP dogma is consistent with my earlier observations, as is your seeming unfamiliarity with a view widely shared by media analysts (that is, you don't seem to even be aware that a perspective that differs from the one the GOP advances is even held).



One would think that "wrongdoing by elected leaders should be revealed to the public" is a position that would get universal assent. But partisanship is a powerful drug.

Quick question, what did you think of the whole Obama birther movement?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Quick question, what did you think of the whole Obama birther movement?

It was stupid.

 

[CrazyN8]

You should be talking into a mirror.

Because why?

 

[computer fogie]

Attorney general Barr has provided the facts...

Strictly speaking, the only fact is that he's not going to pursue any evidence of wrongdoing contained in the report. That decision is the only fact we have right now. The information that Barr has provided is that there is evidence of obstruction (and evidence against it) in the report, and no evidence of collusion with Russia to alter the election. One is his decision, the other is a simple statement of what is in the report.

Why not just be happy that Trump won't be charged with anything based on the report? That should be cause to be happy for Trump supporters. I understand that it looks bad that Barr said there is evidence of him committing obstruction, but it's going to slide. How much better did you really think it was going to be?

 

[CrazyN8]

It was stupid.

Agreed, and I view this whole collusion thing in the same light. Frankly if all your gonna argue is that im blinded by partisanship then thats your right. My main point is nothing in that report is gonna change anything in any real way, it will be entertaining to read but pointless other than for entertainment value. Also I think you have aspergers, no joke. Change my mind.

 

[CrazyN8]

I want the public to be able to see the report because transparency is important, and I don't like even the sniff of a coverup when it comes to our leaders, end of story.

They are going to see the report. Just gotta be redacted which is not odd in the least.

 

[hillelslovak87]

They are going to see the report. Just gotta be redacted which is not odd in the least.

Portions containing classified materials, and other information with such classifications would obviously be redacted, but out of 300 pages, it's not too hard to see there is substantial information, and there are more than a few Americans willing and able to parse the info for themselves.

I must say, your blind apathy in these very serious matters is confusing. You are continuing to pretend as if this was all a hoax, and nothing came of the investigation. It's really odd.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Because why?

Everything you were telling him could be directed at you. You have an obvious affinity for Trump and aren't approaching this investigation with an open mind.

 

[waiguoren]

Wrong. Mueller was hired to investigate the Russian probe into election interference. This narrowing down of Mueller's scope is inaccurate and shows your bias.

You didn't read my post. I wasn't referring to Mueller's mandate. I was referring to the narrative that Rachael Maddow, Adam Schiff, and @Jack V Savage were promoting.

Barr's partisan summary

You haven't seen the Mueller report. Therefore, to refer to Barr's letter as a "partisan summary" as you did suggests to me that you have already jumped to unjustified conclusions about the contents of the Mueller report.

Again, Schiff is simply acknowledging facts the entire investigation and now after it's been concluded. He's done nothing inappropriate.

Schiff repeatedly and over a span of two years told media outlets that there was strong evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. That's an excellent example of the prosecutor's fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor's_fallacy). It was also very reckless given the abundance of evidence to the contrary. So I strongly disagree with you that Schiff has done nothing inappropriate.

And I've said for a long time I've hated the term collusion and this is exactly why. You (and Trump supporters) get to change the meaning to how it suits you.

Why exclude Schiff from that list?

Exoneration has a concrete meaning so it just seems like you're dodging that point.

Prosecutors never exonerate. It's a meaningless subject to bring up.

Trump and his gang is lying that he has been exonerated.

Of course.

 

[HereticBD]

Oh', so the Mueller report will be made public very soon, eh?

I'm sure all the lefties will accept all the findings, and totally not create more conspiracies over what is redacted, and then demand a full un-redacted report, read by Mueller himself...

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Oh', so the Mueller report will be made public very soon, eh?

I'm sure all the lefties will accept all the findings, and totally not create more conspiracies over what is redacted, and then demand a full un-redacted report, read by Mueller himself...

We need to see the underlying documents! We can’t just take Mueller’s word for t!

 

[HereticBD]

We need to see the underlying documents! We can’t just take Mueller’s word for t!

He never interviewed Trump! The investigation was a sham!

 

[Jack V Savage]

Agreed, and I view this whole collusion thing in the same light. Frankly if all your gonna argue is that im blinded by partisanship then thats your right. My main point is nothing in that report is gonna change anything in any real way, it will be entertaining to read but pointless other than for entertainment value.

The collusion thing is objectively different, though. A more analogous situation would be the Clinton emails, though that didn't involve ethical considerations. After the investigation concluded with no evidence of a crime, were you insisting that the matter was settled and that no one should criticize Clinton for it? I don't recall seeing those posts from you. And note that while multiple Benghazi investigations produced no evidence of any wrongdoing, many people have gone down for issues related to this. Your "argument" is just that you don't want people to know anything bad because the president is in your party, and that's the beginning and end of your reasoning.

Also I think you have aspergers, no joke. Change my mind.

I can't convince you that everyone who isn't a Republican isn't an evil monster, but the fact that you look at things that way says more about the kind of person you are, and how limited your perspective is, than it says about any of the targets of your broad attacks.

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[hillelslovak87]

He never interviewed Trump! The investigation was a sham!

Trump's team went out of their way to avoid a sitdown questioning, considering Trump can't even be asked about a simple topic without veering of into 15 others within 20 seconds.

 

[HereticBD]

Trump's team went out of their way to avoid a sitdown questioning, considering Trump can't even be asked about a simple topic without veering of into 15 others within 20 seconds.

That's it, embrace the next excuse...

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Agreed, and I view this whole collusion thing in the same light. Frankly if all your gonna argue is that im blinded by partisanship then thats your right. My main point is nothing in that report is gonna change anything in any real way, it will be entertaining to read but pointless other than for entertainment value. Also I think you have aspergers, no joke. Change my mind.

Do you agree Obama was American, born in Hawaii, and not Islamist despite his name? The birther movement was a real hoax, on par with pizzagate, and Trump was one of it's most vocal proponents.

Yet on the other hand there is no doubt that Russia interfered in our election. Trump asked for their help while campaigning. Junior accepted Russian government support. Manafort offered a Russian oligarch private briefings for debt forgiveness. Flynn lied about contact with the Russian ambassador and financial ties to Turkey. Jared and Ivanka not only getting jobs but also security clearances despite failing the vetting process. Trump hasn't divested. Lobbyists given cabinet appointments to oversee those very industries. Cabinet officials leaving under clouds of corruption. Trusted cabinet officials resigning in protest.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c8e04f24-cdec-43f1-b83f-20705c7970b0

 

[Fawlty]

Public early opinion: Show us the Mueller report, Barr summary does not clear Trump

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...st-36-percent-say-mueller-report-clears-trump
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/29/7077...g-majority-wants-full-mueller-report-released

Just 36% of the public believe that Barr's incredibly brief summary of the Mueller report clears the president.

Other findings:

• 75% support full release of the report
• 51% satisfied with the investigation; 18% unsure; 31% unsatisfied
• 48 point positive shift in Republican public opinion of Mueller from December to today (LOL)
  • compare to a more reasonable 6 point positive shift among Democrats
• Early approval polling per RCP shows 0.5% bump for Trump
• Split opinion on whether Barr should charge Trump w/obstruction

 

[Sketch]

 

[abiG]

2 years - 25 - 50 million - no collusion

#getagrip