Summery in March (SCO v 31)

[method115]

I think the GOP is engaging in a pretty obvious propaganda tactic (blitz celebration even though no one really knows anything), and it would help to step back and try to examine the situation rationally.

Except this isn't remotely true because we do know quite a bit. In fact we know the most important things. Right now all that's missing is the details which in the end wont change anything.

No one else is being indicted and the investigation into Russian collusion is over. Those are two very big details that are a fact. How is that not a reason for Republicans to celebrate?

 

[bobgeese]

What have you been dreaming up? That Barr misinterpreted the report in a historic fashion?

There are no further indictments, no collusion. Trump is not a traitor. Your last hope is obstruction.

It's over and both sides should be happy about that. Time to focus on real politics.

Imagine being this unfunny.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Except this isn't remotely true because we do know quite a bit. In fact we know the most important things. Right now all that's missing is the details which in the end wont change anything.

No one else is being indicted and the investigation into Russian collusion is over. Those are two very big details that are a fact. How is that not a reason for Republicans to celebrate?

We haven't seen what's in the report, and it was known that indicting a sitting president was at least questionable. So the fact that he's not being indicted (after many of his advisers were, note) isn't really new information.

As I pointed out in another thread, these are facts that aren't in dispute:

1. Russia committed crimes to help the Trump campaign.
2. Russia reached out to the campaign about getting something in return for that help.
3. The campaign accepted a meeting with them.
4. The campaign didn't report that contact attempt to authorities.
5. The campaign lied about taking the meeting.

What's in question is what happened in the meeting, and given that we lack evidence either way and that at least there's a really high bar for saying that the president committed a crime, there's no basis for proceeding with charges related to it. People would still like to see what information was gathered in the attempt, though.

And with regard to the propaganda blitz, surely Republicans know that there is a lot that is damning in there, and they haven't even seen it. It's just a strategy--like a boxer celebrating at the end of the 12th round to maybe influence the judges. I think if people take off their partisan hats for a moment, they'd see that a lot of questions remain, and there is information out there that the public should know about.

 

[luckyshot]

How DARE you insinuate that Republicans would EVER question the finding of a Democratic AG! You, sir, are a cad.

And remember how the FBI concluded that there was no basis to charge Clinton with anything, and Republicans and the MSM *immediately* dropped the issue and agreed that she was 100% vindicated. It was never brought up again, and Republicans all apologized for questioning her information-security practices. You need to stop being a hypocrite and learn from their saintly example.

Lol. Brutal.

 

[method115]

We haven't seen what's in the report, and it was known that indicting a sitting president was at least questionable. So the fact that he's not being indicted (after many of his advisers were, note) isn't really new information.

As I pointed out in another thread, these are facts that aren't in dispute:

1. Russia committed crimes to help the Trump campaign.
2. Russia reached out to the campaign about getting something in return for that help.
3. The campaign accepted a meeting with them.
4. The campaign didn't report that contact attempt to authorities.
5. The campaign lied about taking the meeting.

What's in question is what happened in the meeting, and given that we lack evidence either way and that at least there's a really high bar for saying that the president committed a crime, there's no basis for proceeding with charges related to it. People would still like to see what information was gathered in the attempt, though.

And with regard to the propaganda blitz, surely Republicans know that there is a lot that is damning in there, and they haven't even seen it. It's just a strategy--like a boxer celebrating at the end of the 12th round to maybe influence the judges. I think if people take off their partisan hats for a moment, they'd see that a lot of questions remain, and there is information out there that the public should know about.

Republicans are celebrating because President Trump isn't going to be impeached or indicted and the investigation into his campaign is over with no one else going to jail. That's a reason to celebrate.

All the other stuff in the report might be damning who knows what I do know is regardless of what's in the report this investigation is over and Trump wont be leaving office unless he's voted out. Which is all the info I really cared about all the other stuff is interesting and I'll read it when it comes out (if ever) but as it stands the report being released wont change anything.

 

[waiguoren]

I'd argue the results have given the Dems a boost.

Let's have a bet on Trump's approval rating (RealClearPolitics average) 12 days from now. I'll bet you it will be his highest since the inauguration (Feb 2017).

 

[grizzard2bid]

I think the GOP is engaging in a pretty obvious propaganda tactic (blitz celebration even though no one really knows anything), and it would help to step back and try to examine the situation rationally.

"No one really knows anything" -

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Do people really believe, in their heart of hearts, the republicans wouldn’t push and use every tactic under the sun to get that report published if it was a democrat in the White House?

Not only would the republicans do just that they would use every advantage and ability they had in the congress to make that happen.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

He actually believes in his own hi IQ trope and it's devastating that a farmer that watches fox news has been right the whole time

 

[Jack V Savage]

Republicans are celebrating because President Trump isn't going to be impeached or indicted and the investigation into his campaign is over with no one else going to jail. That's a reason to celebrate.

There are multiple ongoing investigations, actually. And impeachment isn't off the table (it was always unlikely and still is, but I don't think we know anything as a result of Mueller finishing that changes anything). Conviction on impeachment is pretty much impossible (as Trump said, he could murder someone out in the open and Republicans would still support him).

 

[waiguoren]

I think the GOP is engaging in a pretty obvious propaganda tactic (blitz celebration even though no one really knows anything), and it would help to step back and try to examine the situation rationally.

This looks like more conspiracy paranoia from you.

Did you consider that perhaps the GOP did not instruct or otherwise encourage the vast majority of the celebrating people here and elsewhere? Perhaps these celebrating people have been suspicious of the "Russian collusion" conspiracy theory for over two years now and are feeling vindicated.

 

[waiguoren]

Republicans are celebrating because President Trump isn't going to be impeached or indicted and the investigation into his campaign is over with no one else going to jail. That's a reason to celebrate.

There are multiple ongoing investigations, actually.

I'll bet you that other than those already indicted, no more Trump campaign officials will go to jail.

 

[Jack V Savage]

This looks like more conspiracy paranoia from you.

Did you consider that perhaps the GOP did not instruct or otherwise encourage the vast majority of the celebrating people here and elsewhere? Perhaps these celebrating people have been suspicious of the "Russian collusion" conspiracy theory for over two years now and are feeling vindicated.

I think the actual level of new information would not justify anyone changing their position much in any direction, but Republicans are deliberately spinning it as some kind of victory, and the lesser posters in the group have picked up the message from consuming conservative media.

BTW, it seems to me that you more than anyone else here was very wrong about how this would go (thinking that the process was inherently determined to lead to indictment of the president) so your celebration seems odder than anything. That seems like tribalism (having been proved wrong but in a way that is favorable to your tribe, you feel it as a victory).

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'll bet you that other than those already indicted, no more Trump campaign officials will go to jail.

The ones related to campaign officials (however you define that) have already led to indictments so this seems like your trademark grandstanding.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

If it were a democratic AG saying that a Democratic President was all clear just based on his summary of an investigation and didn't release the full report post-haste, Right-Wingers would be camped out opposite the WH, burning them in effigy.

I accept Muller's report.

Now I just want to see it.

You honestly think you're going to read the whole thing?

I would bet money you will read a summary of it that says what you want it to say, and accept that as the gospel.

 

[kpt018]

Ok. Not really worth explaining it, honestly, given your motivations, demeanor, and posting style. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

Jack said it more eloquently than I would so I'll add your response was a bitch cop out post. I'm happy to talk through this stuff with any poster on here but if you're going to refuse to have a dialogue because you don't think I'm good enough for you just don't quote me ok? I won't waste my time with you.

Your complaint was that Attorney General Barr was an appointee of President Trump, and you were upset that an appointee of President Trump that was confirmed by the Senate, gets to decide the obstruction question.

The American people duly and fairly elected President Donald J. Trump to be the Executive, the American people elected a wide majority of Republicans to control the Senate.

Elections have consequences.

Dodge noted.

Let's have a bet on Trump's approval rating (RealClearPolitics average) 12 days from now. I'll bet you it will be his highest since the inauguration (Feb 2017).

Nah. I'm super pessimistic about Trump's cult "waking up" and I know that Barr's letter has already convinced them Trump has been exonerated (when in fact anyone who reads the letter knows that is definitely not the case).

Also, I didn't make any claim that would initiate that bet. My prediction is that the Democratic base would turn out because they're going to be fired up over the results. I didn't make any claim about Trump's base. Of course this fired them up as well.

 

[Factory]

Imagine being this unfunny.

but sometimes his show is funny

...I can't put a happy face on that, and that's my joooob...

I laughed a lot

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Dodge noted.

I fully and graciously accept your concession.



You're now coming to terms with the fact that elections have consequences. Your side lost the ones that matter in this particular instance.

Tough shit.

 

[kpt018]

I fully and graciously accept your concession.



You're now coming to terms with the fact that elections have consequences. Your side lost the ones that matter in this particular instance.

Tough shit.

What are you talking about? I asked you point blank if that's what you want out of the officials you vote for and you refused to say. And you keep parroting the "elections have consequences" as if it's some sick burn but I've been saying that for a very long time (including criticism of the left for not showing up for the mid-terms during Obama's presidency). I don't want the people I vote for to conceal the truth out of party loyalty, do you?

And losing elections doesn't mean we should accept corruption, you know.

 

[Strychnine]

You honestly think you're going to read the whole thing?

I would bet money you will read a summary of it that says what you want it to say, and accept that as the gospel.

I'm retired (thank the good Lord), I've got time.