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Summery in March (SCO v 31)

Rod Rosenstein and Bill Barr both concluded Trump did not obstruct justice based on facts. Both are prosecutors and long-time lawyers. Accept it.

Actually, the memo said The Special Council, different from an Independent Council, found no evidence of campaign collusion, declined to bring forth charges on obstruction, and did not exonerate The President on obstruction.

I have no idea what the third assertion by Barr means, and neither do you. I think we are all capable of waiting before talk of castration is needed, no?
 
no you cherry picked a couple words out of the middle of his statement and missed the main text completely
I'm sorry you didn't know what 'determinative' means. Hopefully now you do.

If you still don't understand, Here are some examples of how illogical "obstructed what crime?" is:

If not committing a crime meant you can't obstruct justice, people that lie on the stand during someone elses murder trial couldn't be charged with obstructing.

If Trump had to commit a crime to be viewed to have committed obstruction, Mueller wouldn't have said there are "“difficult issues” of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction." He would have said "no obstruction" like he did collusion.
 
Over and over and over you state it....


and Over and Over and Over they hate it.
<Moves>
Barr would probably hate it because it isn't what he wrote and makes him sound like a shitty lawyer since it is incorrect. You don't actually understand what is being discussed though so all good. Carry on shitposting memes.
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Well the MMM sure fucked this one up completely. I wont be surprised if this goes a long way towards getting Trump re-elected in two years. Not to mention the corrupt DNC will do everything they can to put in a centrist lying shit politician against him.

Glad I watched real news commentary on this over the last long while and never hung my hat on collusion with Russia. The progressive left could see right through the whole stupid thing. I wonder why MMM could not?



Frank, the key remains is how the Economy will be by the time 2020 rolls around.

Now that the Collusion and obstruction bullshit is finished, THAT is what will ultimately determine whether Trump gets re-elected or not.
 
Barr would probably hate it because it isn't what he wrote and makes him sound like a shitty lawyer since it is incorrect. You don't actually understand what is being discussed though so all good. Carry on shitposting memes.
<{cum@me}>

I leave the discussions to ones who know what the fuck they're talking about.

That does not include you.

But do carry on posting Sherdog Emoji's like this, though. <{cum@me}>
 
bears upon intent, without being determinative of the crime. It means corrupt intent is harder to establish if he didn't do something himself, but it doesn't determine there is no crime.

l.
thats not what was said
 
Solid pun @Quipling

Will be interested to hear your take on these events when you get the time.
The first part of the summary is stuff people should know but was getting denied: Russian interference in the election, which definitely had some illegal components.

The next part is collusion. A known fact is that the Russian government reached out to the Trump campaign. It's reasonable to suppose that members of the campaign knew what was going on and the campaign was able to benefit from it - tons of circumstantial evidence pointing here. Mueller apparently stopped short of "collusion" findings because he didn't find enough evidence that the individuals associated with the campaign actually helped the Russians with their activities, as opposed to "merely" taking advantage of it. The closest is that, by taking advantage of it, they furthered the goals of the Russian govt, but that's not quite the same thing. I think an aggressive prosecutor could have put together a case here, but it wouldn't have been great.

It's possible that this link could be closed by Manafort giving info to Kilminick, who could relay it to the FSB, but that becomes speculative. Overall, I'm satisfied with this section of the summary.

The last part is the weakest. First, as has been noted, this is the section in which Mueller presented evidence and arguments both supporting and undermining a finding of OOJ. IMO, Barr's explanation of OOJ is not entirely consistent with how it has been prosecuted. I don't think Barr's version is absurd, incidentally, but it's conveniently narrow on what was apparently a close issue. His form of "corrupt intent" is extremely hard to prove because it zeros in on specific crimes. Barr concludes that absent the underlying "collusion" issue, Trump's "obstructive" actions - which focused on collusion - lacked the requisite corrupt intent. But that ignores the greater scope of the investigation, which did include other criminal activity-and an attempt to block it before the "collusion" thing was even in the public eye. I think that, had the political angle been removed, ooj would have been a more likely finding.
 
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Did anyone actually expect posters to admit they have been wrong for the last 2 years? Admit that they lapped up the media propaganda?

I didn't expect it

So, I was wrong for saying that I'd accept the Muller report and it's findings?

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The first part of the summary is stuff people should know but was getting denied: Russian interference in the election, which definitely had some illegal components.

The next part is collusion. A known fact is that the Russian government reached out to the Trump campaign. It's reasonable to suppose that members of the campaign knew what was going on and the campaign was able to benefit from it - tons of circumstantial evidence pointing here. Mueller apparently stopped short of "collusion" findings because he didn't find enough evidence that the individuals associated with the campaign actually helped the Russians with their activities, as opposed to "merely" taking advantage of it. The closest is that, by taking advantage of it, they furthered the goals of the Russian govt, but that's not quite the same thing. I think an aggressive prosecutor could have put together a case here, but it wouldn't have been great.

It's possible that this link could be closed by Manafort giving info to Kilminick, who could relay it to the FSB, but that becomes speculative. Overall, I'm satisfied with this section of the summary.

The last part is the weakest. First, as has been noted, this is the section in which Mueller presented evidence and arguments both supporting and undermining a finding of OOJ. IMO, Barr's explanation of OOJ is not entirely consistent with how it has been prosecuted. I don't think Barr's version is absurd, incidentally, but it's conveniently narrow on what was apparently a close issue. His form of "corrupt intent" is extremely hard to prove because it zeros in on specific crimes. Barr concludes that absent the underlying "collusion" issue, Trump's "obstructive" actions - which focused on collusion - lacked the requisite corrupt intent. But that ignores the greater scope of the investigation, which did include other criminal activity-and an attempt to block it before the "collusion" thing was even in the public eye. I think that, had the political angle been removed, ooj would have been a more likely finding.
Thanks, great take
 
Well the MMM sure fucked this one up completely. I wont be surprised if this goes a long way towards getting Trump re-elected in two years. Not to mention the corrupt DNC will do everything they can to put in a centrist lying shit politician against him.

Glad I watched real news commentary on this over the last long while and never hung my hat on collusion with Russia. The progressive left could see right through the whole stupid thing. I wonder why MMM could not?





Because they’re in bed with th “corporate democrats” (as progressives refer to them).
 

Doubling down? Seriously man, why? It's very unlikely that Mueller would sit idly by as Mueller mischaracterized his findings. Furthermore, almost all of the report is going to come out in a short time. Why not just wait and see instead of jumping to conclusions?
 
Well, the road to impeachment ended, here. Either Mueller could substantiate what we all already realized was "a deal", as Trump loves to call them, taking place in that Trump Tower meeting, or he couldn't. He couldn't.

Still, I'm glad we snapped half the country out of a slumber to the breadth of Russian interference (and their specific aim to undermine Hillary) in our election as well as their similar designs to affect other elections and press coverage. Two years ago the same clowns who pretend they love Mueller today, that were implying he was part of the deep state two days ago, insisted the Russians were our friends, and had nothing to do with DNC phishing schemes, hostile cyber activities, Wikileak-sourced dumps, or (successful) attempts to plant spies in Trump's closest inner circles.

I can see from the way it was covered in the news today that the Democrats can't accept this is a moment to move onto the next thing, and would prefer to feed the ATDS complex (Anti Trump Derangement Syndrome held by those who believe every conspiracy against Trump), but that's a lost cause, and counterproductive. Obstruction? Have fun staking him on a charge of obstruction when you're holding the Mueller report in your hands, and when the logic of obstruction is to indemnify the man for sabotaging investigation into a crime that the investigation into that crime couldn't prove. Wake up, dummies.

Maybe now they can focus on the fact health care is still broken, a wall isn't getting built, in fact we aren't even detaining border crossers indefinitely and for the first time since Obama left the migrant problem is actually getting worse, the trade deficit is at an all time high, the national debt is soaring and on course to reach levels not seen since WWII, the labor force participation rate hasn't budged since he took office, the wealth gap continues to widen because companies like Amazon don't pay a dime while the middle class isn't meaningfully less taxed than under Democrats, the press & Hollywood is increasingly hostile in alignment against moderate conservatives, the North Koreans are up to the same old tricks with hollow promises, we continue to be friends with Saudi Arabia, the Iranians are more active in efforts to undermine us while developing a potential nuclear deterrent than ever, we continue to avoid confronting long-term climate change as fires and floods ravage us, lobbies for those like the pharmaceutical groups face fewer restrictions than before, and we continue to slide in virtually all metrics that measure quality of life or general social well-bring.
 
Well, the road to impeachment ended, here. Either Mueller could substantiate what we all already realized was "a deal", as Trump loves to call them, taking place in that Trump Tower meeting, or he couldn't. He couldn't.

Still, I'm glad we snapped half the country out of a slumber to the breadth of Russian interference (and their specific aim to undermine Hillary) in our election as well as their similar designs to affect other elections and press coverage. Two years ago the same clowns who pretend they love Mueller today, that were implying he was part of the deep state two days ago, insisted the Russians were our friends, and had nothing to do with DNC phishing schemes, hostile cyber activities, Wikileak-sourced dumps, or (successful) attempts to plant spies in Trump's closest inner circles.

I can see from the way it was covered in the news today that the Democrats can't accept this is a moment to move onto the next thing, and would prefer to feed the ATDS complex (Anti Trump Derangement Syndrome held by those who believe every conspiracy against Trump), but that's a lost cause, and counterproductive. Obstruction? Have fun staking him on a charge of obstruction when you're holding the Mueller report in your hands, and when the logic of obstruction is to indemnify the man for sabotaging investigation into a crime that the investigation into that crime couldn't prove. Wake up, dummies.

Maybe now they can focus on the fact health care is still broken, a wall isn't getting built, in fact we aren't even detaining border crossers indefinitely and for the first time since Obama left the migrant problem is actually getting worse, the trade deficit is at an all time high, the national debt is soaring and on course to reach levels not seen since WWII, the labor force participation rate hasn't budged since he took office, the wealth gap continues to widen because companies like Amazon don't pay a dime while the middle class isn't meaningfully less taxed than under Democrats, the press & Hollywood is increasingly hostile in alignment against moderate conservatives, the North Koreans are up to the same old tricks with hollow promises, we continue to be friends with Saudi Arabia, the Iranians are more active in efforts to undermine us while developing a potential nuclear deterrent than ever, we continue to avoid confronting long-term climate change as fires and floods ravage us, lobbies for those like the pharmaceutical groups face fewer restrictions than before, and we continue to slide in virtually all metrics that measure quality of life or general social well-bring.
Well that about wraps up the run-on sentence award for 2019.

I'm ready to pull up stakes and move on from the Campaign-Russia election connection, but my ticket out of town is the text of the Mueller report, and I'll wait for my ticket.
 
Well, the road to impeachment ended, here. Either Mueller could substantiate what we all already realized was "a deal", as Trump loves to call them, taking place in that Trump Tower meeting, or he couldn't. He couldn't.

Still, I'm glad we snapped half the country out of a slumber to the breadth of Russian interference (and their specific aim to undermine Hillary) in our election as well as their similar designs to affect other elections and press coverage. Two years ago the same clowns who pretend they love Mueller today, that were implying he was part of the deep state two days ago, insisted the Russians were our friends, and had nothing to do with DNC phishing schemes, hostile cyber activities, Wikileak-sourced dumps, or (successful) attempts to plant spies in Trump's closest inner circles.

I can see from the way it was covered in the news today that the Democrats can't accept this is a moment to move onto the next thing, and would prefer to feed the ATDS complex (Anti Trump Derangement Syndrome held by those who believe every conspiracy against Trump), but that's a lost cause, and counterproductive. Obstruction? Have fun staking him on a charge of obstruction when you're holding the Mueller report in your hands, and when the logic of obstruction is to indemnify the man for sabotaging investigation into a crime that the investigation into that crime couldn't prove. Wake up, dummies.

Maybe now they can focus on the fact health care is still broken, a wall isn't getting built, in fact we aren't even detaining border crossers indefinitely and for the first time since Obama left the migrant problem is actually getting worse, the trade deficit is at an all time high, the national debt is soaring and on course to reach levels not seen since WWII, the labor force participation rate hasn't budged since he took office, the wealth gap continues to widen because companies like Amazon don't pay a dime while the middle class isn't meaningfully less taxed than under Democrats, the press & Hollywood is increasingly hostile in alignment against moderate conservatives, the North Koreans are up to the same old tricks with hollow promises, we continue to be friends with Saudi Arabia, the Iranians are more active in efforts to undermine us while developing a potential nuclear deterrent than ever, we continue to avoid confronting long-term climate change as fires and floods ravage us, lobbies for those like the pharmaceutical groups face fewer restrictions than before, and we continue to slide in virtually all metrics that measure quality of life or general social well-bring.
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