Suidlanders South Africans Preparing for the Collapse of their State

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I am watching some videos about the Suidlanders. The are a group of Boers that are preparing for the collapse of South African society. Sp I don't know much about them other than what I saw on youtube today but revolution is pretty common in Africa. SO they might have a point. But I don't really know much about them. Can some of our South African posters tell me about how this movement is viewed in you home country.
This is a link to their group
https://suidlanders.org

This is a video about them.






Please consider listening to this song while in this thread
 
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Bru they are white lol . Literally no mainstream media will cover this.

They are going to be Rwanda 2.0
 
They aren't dumb. The President of their country used to lead songs and sing about killing them. They are already being slaughtered. I have seen some horrific pictures of farmers and their family who were tortured and slaughtered and the government doesn't care.
 
Doomsday peppers south Africa edition?
 
I am watching some videos about the Suidlanders. The are a group of Boers that are preparing for the collapse of South African society. Sp I don't know much about them other than what I saw on youtube today but revolution is pretty common in Africa. SO they might have a point. But I don't really know much about them. Can some of our South African posters tell me about how this movement is viewed in you home country.
This is a link to their group
https://suidlanders.org

This is a video about them.


Stefan Molyneux did a fascinating interview with Lauren Southern on this very topic:



What I found most fascinating, is that the Zulu and the Dutch both arrived in South Africa at about the same time. The original residence of South Africa were local tribes such as the Khoi-san. Interestingly enough, the original native tribes like the Khoi-san of South Africa have almost no representation in Parliament.
 
No surprise, South Africa is a shithole. The only country with a higher Gini coefficient is Lesotho, of course their society is going to feel the pressure. Is normal.
 
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I did not know that place even existed until right now.
Not surprised, its one of those Mickey Mouse countries you don't really need to know about.
 
I am watching some videos about the Suidlanders. The are a group of Boers that are preparing for the collapse of South African society. Sp I don't know much about them other than what I saw on youtube today but revolution is pretty common in Africa. SO they might have a point. But I don't really know much about them. Can some of our South African posters tell me about how this movement is viewed in you home country.
This is a link to their group
https://suidlanders.org

This is a video about them.


Opinion on them is somewhat divided. Some think they'e right-wing racist lunatics, others think they're the saviour of the boer.
Personally, I think that they're somewhere in between. They make some good points and it is hard to say that all of their doomsday scenarios are without merit, but their afrikaner nationalism can make them tough to deal with - also, some associated with the movement are actually racist lunatics and much like many of those in BLM, set the movement back with their rhetoric.

Another group to look into if you're interested is Afriforum. Both groups exhibit a bit of an aversion to English, and are more about helping the Boer than the white man in general, but Afriforum takes action more often than Suidlanders, who I assume are waiting for disaster before trying to avert it.

They aren't dumb. The President of their country used to lead songs and sing about killing them. They are already being slaughtered. I have seen some horrific pictures of farmers and their family who were tortured and slaughtered and the government doesn't care.

Not our president anymore - Zuma was ousted at the beginning of the year.
Our current president, in his capacity as a mine director has some blood on his hands, as he was partially responsible for the largest massacre of poor blacks since the township uprisings of the 80s. Putting that aside though, Cyril Ramaphosa is far more worthwhile and competent a human being than Zuma ever was.

Stefan Molyneux did a fascinating interview with Lauren Southern on this very topic:



What I found most fascinating, is that the Zulu and the Dutch both arrived in South Africa at about the same time. The original residence of South Africa were local tribes such as the Khoi-san. Interestingly enough, the original native tribes like the Khoi-san of South Africa have almost no representation in Parliament.


This is an oft-mentioned (and oft-ignored) point. The Boer and the Zulu arrived in South Africa at a similar time, and did not meet each other. They only ran across one another when the zulu were engaging in a genocidal war/purge westward, and the Boer were retreating Eastward from the British annexation of the Cape.

Nando's' marketing department is a national treasure, and this amusing advert of theirs kinda nails it:



I think that the closest you'll really get to Khoisan or san in parliament would be coloureds, many of whom are partially descended from "bushmen".

I did not know that place even existed until right now.

It barely does. If you see it on a map, you'll probably assume it's a South African province, since it's within our borders.

map_of_south-africa.jpg


It's that blank bit in the middle of all the brown.
 
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Stefan Molyneux did a fascinating interview with Lauren Southern on this very topic:



What I found most fascinating, is that the Zulu and the Dutch both arrived in South Africa at about the same time. The original residence of South Africa were local tribes such as the Khoi-san. Interestingly enough, the original native tribes like the Khoi-san of South Africa have almost no representation in Parliament.

Not only no representation, but incredibly frequent human rights abuse and basically genocide of the San people.
 
*Die Antwoord (The Answer)

And I certainly hope so.

ahhh that is interesting. that's what the name means? i've been misspelling it all these years.

i actually thought they were pretty great in CHAPPIE.
 
No surprise, South Africa is a shithole.

That is kind of harsh. Can you tell me the prime reason to why this is the first thing that pops in your mind? Is it a race thing? My definition of a shithole would be Poland, Albania or Romania.

I was travelling from Maputo to Johannesburg to take the flight in 1996. Was going by Grey-Hound kind of buses with large panorama windows. It was like day and night when you crossed over to South-Africa. Huge organized landscape of agriculture made by modern hand, the total opposite to Mozambique. I have never been to another country a cross the border that was so different than the SA/Mozambique, ever.

To visit a restaurang you had to ring a doorbell to enter, when enclosed you had to show your ID and then, they let you in 2 and 2. The security was really crazy. To the motel, to everything. The violence was already rampant 20 years ago. When the blacks got access to shops, the robberies also escalated cause they didn´t have the money. To access the centre of J-burg, you had to have special pass and clearence to enter.

Violence is not a new thing. It has been there all the time. The tragic story with SA and with all countries in negroid-Africa is the elite of people that are not so eager to make a dramatic change in the education department. They are trapped in the nepotism culture, they do what ever necessary to stagnate the modernisation of fundamental institutions.
 
Opinion on them is somewhat divided. Some think they'e right-wing racist lunatics, others think they're the saviour of the boer.
Personally, I think that they're somewhere in between. They make some good points and it is hard to say that all of their doomsday scenarios are without merit, but their afrikaner nationalism can make them tough to deal with - also, some associated with the movement are actually racist lunatics and much like many of those in BLM, set the movement back with their rhetoric.

Another group to look into if you're interested is Afriforum. Both groups exhibit a bit of an aversion to English, and are more about helping the Boer than the white man in general, but Afriforum takes action more often than Suidlanders, who I assume are waiting for disaster before trying to avert it.



Not our president anymore - Zuma was ousted at the beginning of the year.
Our current president, in his capacity as a mine director has some blood on his hands, as he was partially responsible for the largest massacre of poor blacks since the township uprisings of the 80s. Putting that aside though, Cyril Ramaphosa is far more worthwhile and competent a human being than Zuma ever was.



This is an oft-mentioned (and oft-ignored) point. The Boer and the Zulu arrived in South Africa at a similar time, and did not meet each other. They only ran across one another when the zulu were engaging in a genocidal war/purge westward, and the Boer were retreating Eastward from the British annexation of the Cape.

Nando's' marketing department is a national treasure, and this amusing advert of theirs kinda nails it:



I think that the closest you'll really get to Khoisan or san in parliament would be coloureds, many of whom are partially descended from "bushmen".



It barely does. If you see it on a map, you'll probably assume it's a South African province, since it's within our borders.

map_of_south-africa.jpg


It's that blank bit in the middle of all the brown.


has there every been talk of a two state solution? It seems like it would be best if all the Boers got given small section of the country and turn it into s separate country. Also

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201805201064618013-south-africa-farmers-landgrab-issue/

ITV News Africa reported that white farmers are taking up arms to protect their property in South Africa. The development comes after a recent murder of an elderly white couple in South Africa has triggered a round of debates of violence against white landowners.

The splash of violence has triggered uproar on social media, with many users blaming the authorities for turning a blind eye to racial murders. Currently the South African government is looking into constitutional reform that would let land to be expropriated from white farmers without compensation.

Radio Sputnik discussed this with Paul Toohey, chief reporter for the News Corp Australia Network and author of the report "Silent slaughter: South Africa's farmers being attacked, forced from land".

Paul Toohey: I think they have been doing it for many years, in a sense. South Africa has gun laws which are not unlike the United States which means that you procure arms and protect yourself. But in many ways they go a lot further in South Africa, building electric fences, particularly if you live on farmlands and taking all sorts of extreme measures will only buy you a certain amount of time when people come under attack so regularly over the people that build networks among farmers to ensure that they get some sort of protection, sort of response because the police are very unreliable. They need to talk among themselves and be in contact with each other to generate some sort of response if an attack occurs, which is extremely regular over there.

Sputnik: You’re saying that this is something that’s been happening over time for quite a while but is this perhaps an unusual spike of violence?

Paul Toohey: I think what’s happened is the attacks, the murders were quite high like 10-15 years ago, as high they are now, however the number of overall attacks each year against farmers are nothing like they ever were in the past, as they are now like these 400 plus attacks last year. And that’s not murders, but attacks on farms. That’s well on track to be a record year this year. I think what is disturbing to so many white farmers, and not just white farmers but black employees of white farmers, is the level of cruelty that accompanies some of these attacks; the levels of aggravation if you will. We’ve met people who have been tortured with household irons burned on their legs, shot at close range, watching family members executed in front of their eyes for no apparent reason. People not actually taking anything of any value and just executing people; which has led to an apprehension of fear that attacks are actually to send a message to white farmers that they are not welcome on the land anymore.

Sputnik: Why aren’t the authorities taking any measures?

Paul Toohey: On the one hand, the police force is subject to an empowerment movement, which means people are rapidly thrown into the job if they are black and on a program in South Africa which means they’re not necessarily highly skilled and highly trained. Overall, there’s a political narrative over there which comes, not just from minor parties but from the major party the ANC as well, which doesn’t send a strong message. Farmers, whether they’re white or black, are obviously very important to the South African economy and should be supported. There is a narrative that white farmers are on black land and they need to get off it.

Sputnik: In your view are the crimes against white farmers encouraged by the government’s so-called land grabs?

Paul Toohey: I think the government doesn’t directly encourage this. I guess there’re two things that are happening in South Africa. There are the land grabs that are encouraged by Julius Malema’s EFF, which simply encourage people to go down sit down on land and occupy it. And the government of Cyril Ramaphosa, the new president, on the record has been against that. But at the same time, the government of Ramaphosa is on the record as saying that they will expropriate land without compensation, and particularly they’re talking about white held land and farmland. So these two elements working together are a narrative that causes a lot of fear. If a white farmer said to himself, “Well, the situation so serious, I should sell my land and get off it,” they’re in a very bad position, because if the expropriation is going to come about, meaning that the land is going to be taken from them anyway, the market is obviously very depleted and there’s not much cause for them. I mean they are not going to be able to sell their land for a reasonable value anyway. The white farmers are in a very difficult position.

Sputnik: Sounds like a very deplorable situation. I was going to ask you what future do white South Africans have in the country, considering all this violence and the threats to property rights; but it looks pretty bleak.

Paul Toohey: What they need is a government to say “whoever you are, white or black, there’s not going to be a program of expropriation of land without compensation.” But the government, unfortunately, is not saying that.

Sputnik: So as far as I understand you’re saying that the only way out is to raise more awareness and then perhaps finally push through for different legislation that will protect them?

Paul Toohey: I guess the ultimate thing to do would be not to legislate, but to push through any expropriation legislate. And secondly, to have some sort of campaign on the part of the government which said you’re valued and you’re valued and welcome in this country. Now, even if the government did that, there are minor parties which are, you know, the ANC is not the only party in South Africa anymore there are different parties emerging; one of them is the EFF, which is a very virulent party, which is certainly effectively encouraging people to have a different view about African farmers.
 
ahhh that is interesting. that's what the name means? i've been misspelling it all these years.

i actually thought they were pretty great in CHAPPIE.

Possibly mispronouncing it too.
"Die" rhymes with "we" and W sound like V. Heavily roll your Rs :)

Now, unless you're German or dutch, you've learned a little Afrikaans.

I never saw chappie - not a fan of Afrikaans humour and the name put me off a little.
 
Possibly mispronouncing it too.
"Die" rhymes with "we" and W sound like V. Heavily roll your Rs :)

Now, unless you're German or dutch, you've learned a little Afrikaans.

I never saw chappie - not a fan of Afrikaans humour and the name put me off a little.


good to know!

def. check it out. it's a decent action flick. same director as District 9
 
has there every been talk of a two state solution? It seems like it would be best if all the Boers got given small section of the country and turn it into s separate country. Also

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201805201064618013-south-africa-farmers-landgrab-issue/

ITV News Africa reported that white farmers are taking up arms to protect their property in South Africa. The development comes after a recent murder of an elderly white couple in South Africa has triggered a round of debates of violence against white landowners.

The splash of violence has triggered uproar on social media, with many users blaming the authorities for turning a blind eye to racial murders. Currently the South African government is looking into constitutional reform that would let land to be expropriated from white farmers without compensation.

Radio Sputnik discussed this with Paul Toohey, chief reporter for the News Corp Australia Network and author of the report "Silent slaughter: South Africa's farmers being attacked, forced from land".

Paul Toohey: I think they have been doing it for many years, in a sense. South Africa has gun laws which are not unlike the United States which means that you procure arms and protect yourself. But in many ways they go a lot further in South Africa, building electric fences, particularly if you live on farmlands and taking all sorts of extreme measures will only buy you a certain amount of time when people come under attack so regularly over the people that build networks among farmers to ensure that they get some sort of protection, sort of response because the police are very unreliable. They need to talk among themselves and be in contact with each other to generate some sort of response if an attack occurs, which is extremely regular over there.

Sputnik: You’re saying that this is something that’s been happening over time for quite a while but is this perhaps an unusual spike of violence?

Paul Toohey: I think what’s happened is the attacks, the murders were quite high like 10-15 years ago, as high they are now, however the number of overall attacks each year against farmers are nothing like they ever were in the past, as they are now like these 400 plus attacks last year. And that’s not murders, but attacks on farms. That’s well on track to be a record year this year. I think what is disturbing to so many white farmers, and not just white farmers but black employees of white farmers, is the level of cruelty that accompanies some of these attacks; the levels of aggravation if you will. We’ve met people who have been tortured with household irons burned on their legs, shot at close range, watching family members executed in front of their eyes for no apparent reason. People not actually taking anything of any value and just executing people; which has led to an apprehension of fear that attacks are actually to send a message to white farmers that they are not welcome on the land anymore.

Sputnik: Why aren’t the authorities taking any measures?

Paul Toohey: On the one hand, the police force is subject to an empowerment movement, which means people are rapidly thrown into the job if they are black and on a program in South Africa which means they’re not necessarily highly skilled and highly trained. Overall, there’s a political narrative over there which comes, not just from minor parties but from the major party the ANC as well, which doesn’t send a strong message. Farmers, whether they’re white or black, are obviously very important to the South African economy and should be supported. There is a narrative that white farmers are on black land and they need to get off it.

Sputnik: In your view are the crimes against white farmers encouraged by the government’s so-called land grabs?

Paul Toohey: I think the government doesn’t directly encourage this. I guess there’re two things that are happening in South Africa. There are the land grabs that are encouraged by Julius Malema’s EFF, which simply encourage people to go down sit down on land and occupy it. And the government of Cyril Ramaphosa, the new president, on the record has been against that. But at the same time, the government of Ramaphosa is on the record as saying that they will expropriate land without compensation, and particularly they’re talking about white held land and farmland. So these two elements working together are a narrative that causes a lot of fear. If a white farmer said to himself, “Well, the situation so serious, I should sell my land and get off it,” they’re in a very bad position, because if the expropriation is going to come about, meaning that the land is going to be taken from them anyway, the market is obviously very depleted and there’s not much cause for them. I mean they are not going to be able to sell their land for a reasonable value anyway. The white farmers are in a very difficult position.

Sputnik: Sounds like a very deplorable situation. I was going to ask you what future do white South Africans have in the country, considering all this violence and the threats to property rights; but it looks pretty bleak.

Paul Toohey: What they need is a government to say “whoever you are, white or black, there’s not going to be a program of expropriation of land without compensation.” But the government, unfortunately, is not saying that.

Sputnik: So as far as I understand you’re saying that the only way out is to raise more awareness and then perhaps finally push through for different legislation that will protect them?

Paul Toohey: I guess the ultimate thing to do would be not to legislate, but to push through any expropriation legislate. And secondly, to have some sort of campaign on the part of the government which said you’re valued and you’re valued and welcome in this country. Now, even if the government did that, there are minor parties which are, you know, the ANC is not the only party in South Africa anymore there are different parties emerging; one of them is the EFF, which is a very virulent party, which is certainly effectively encouraging people to have a different view about African farmers.

only skimmed through the interview, but did not see anything surprising or untrue.

As to your question; yes and no.
There is actually an all-white, all-afrikaans, all-christian town in the country; they use their own currency, but have not been granted sovereignty.
On a larger level, the conversation can't really take place, IMO. Not sincerely.
You could cut a line through the land, but the people would be tougher to neatly divvy up.
The younger Afrikaners would have little interest in an all-afrikaans state, and the English whites would have no use for it. You'd basically be giving a handful (in national terms) of old people a country to die in.

Honestly, the traditional Boer needs to assimilate to today. Same goes for the many of the black peoples, to be fair. They're living as if it's 50 and 100 years ago, respectively.

The land expropriation matter will be resolved in august. I had my week of panic over that, and now there's naught to do but await the verdict and determine its reasonableness then.
 
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What I found most fascinating, is that the Zulu and the Dutch both arrived in South Africa at about the same time. The original residence of South Africa were local tribes such as the Khoi-san. Interestingly enough, the original native tribes like the Khoi-san of South Africa have almost no representation in Parliament.

It's ok if black people do it. It's ok if Asians (Japanese and the Ainu) do it. But if white people do it...
 
If you are white and live in South Africa still you get what you get. Leave.
 
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