Submissions from the sprawl.

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  1. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    Ok, I'm trying to organize all the submissions I've come across into a kind of study guide, and want to ask some of the people on this forum to browse this list and add anything they know.

    Oponent on all 4's.

    North South:

    -Basic Guillotine:
    Knife the hand in around their throat, and lock your hands with an over-under grip. Pull them into your guard, and apply the choke.

    -Bear-crawl guillotine/neck-crank:
    Lock in the hands like a standard guillotine, but instead of pulling them into your guard, use your leverage and grip on their head to plow them backwards onto their ass. Squatting over them or sitting on their hips, lean into and down on their head.

    -Basic Neck Crank:
    Slide a cross-face in with the bony part of the forearm between their cheek and jaw-bones turning their face sideways. Grip the back of their triceps with your other hand, and lock in a figure-4 grip by grabbing your wrist with the cross-facing hand. Torque the head down and to the side by leaning with your chest and using the grip for the neck-crank.

    -Anaconda Choke:
    Keeping their head and one arm controlled, bring one arm around their neck and under the armpit of the trapped arm. fold the hand of this arm into the elbow of your other arm, and bring the hand of that arm up high up and to the center of their back to tighten the choke. Gator-Roll them turning into the trapped arm. Now using your feet crawl turning into the arm to complete the choke.

    -"sidewinder" guillotine (don't know the actual name)
    Keeping their head and one arm controlled, make sure the arm on the side of their head is over-under gripped with the other hand with the knuckles facing up. Now jump out with your legs to the side of him on the side you are controlling his arm, so his head and arm are trapped in your guillotine grip on the side of your body. In the same movement, jump into their body bringing your knee under his belly and bringing the other leg over his back to prevent him rolling out. Tighten everything and apply the choke.

    -Arm-triangle:
    Keeping their head and one arm controlled, grip together your hands and move into the side you have his arm trapped. Using the forearm of the arm around his neck crank down on his head controlling it so you can work on digging the arm under his armpit and around his neck untill his triceps are snug in your own armpit. Release the neck-crank and secure the side-choke. tighten everything and push into the trapped arm into his artery with your hips.

    Oponent on all 4's with side-controll:

    -Neck-Crank:
    Knife the arm controlling him near his head in crossfacing him so his head is facing away from you. Secure a grip with this hand on his triceps. Explosively grip your hands together still keeping the crossface tight and pull him onto his ass sitting on your knees behind him using the torque on his neck. He will have to follow or his neck will break. Now lean into him with your chest and use the crossface on his neck to force his head to the side and down onto his chest.

    I know there has to be some other things you can do especially from the position of having him on all 4's and having side controll. I know there's is some high-risk low % leg-locks you can go for, and the obvious thing most people would do is try to take his back, but still I'd like some people's imput on these and whatever you can add would be welcome.





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  2. Sherdog_Mutt

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    No Gi only or Gi techniques too?
     
  3. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    No Gi only plz.
     
  4. TheHighlander

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    Brabo choke works good from a sprawl. Basically an arm triangle with your arm coming through his armpit from the rear and wrist along the side of his neck and in the crook of your other elbow. Free hand grasps his lat.
     
  5. I-Shoji

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    Got that one in there already. "Arm-triangle" :)

    'Brabo Choke'? Why is it named that?
     
  6. Falero

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    "Bear-crawl guillotine/neck-crank"

    I hurt my back from this once,though it was from standing.
    I was held in a guillotine standing, and was pushed back as the other guy lost balance. I sat down on my bum and was still in the choke so basically I was folded like a jackknife. Then I got the other guy
     
  7. I-Shoji

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  8. TheHighlander

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    Yeah, on second read your description seems to match. Arm triangle aka side choke is usually done facing the opposite direction. (top of your shoulder in his armpit). Otherwise basically the same.

    Brabo Choke was the name I've seen it referred to here on the forum. Before that I had used either inverted side choke or the Terrel choke (after David Terrel, the guy who introduced it to semi-common usage in our school).
     
  9. TJS

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    there is also another guillotine variation off a sprawl. you basically trap their head under one side knee and sit back to gaurd...so that their head is stuck under your leg...its really tight
     
  10. The Sickness

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    My favorite is 785 knees to the dome. Very difficult submission that only the most technical should even think about doing...
     
  11. colinm

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    there is also a guillotine variation from north south on all fours that works like a triangle. if you've got a front headlock, move to the side of the trapped arm and sit back to guard, making sure you trap his arm against your side along with his head too. your forearm will get one side of his neck, and his own shoulder will put pressure on the other - works like a triangle.
     
  12. I-Shoji

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    Are you people reading the original post? That's the "sidewinder guillotine" :p
     
  13. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    If I catch someone and sprawl, sometimes I am able jump up and using my partial underhooks pull them down to a triangle.
     
  14. migo**

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    Front Choke - like a guillotine except their head's in your stomach and you're doing a trachea choke.

    Crucifix, either one works.
     
  15. Q mystic

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    What about a chin pick from there? It has worked in practise but I haven't done it at a tourny.
     
  16. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    What is a chin pick?
     
  17. phenomfan1529

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    haha, ouch!
     
  18. forget the submission

    go round the back and get your 1 point
     
  19. GCSD Fighter

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    You got some of the standard subs from North-South, minus a few variations.

    You missing a shit load from side-control though!
    I'll give you rolling armbar. But this is one of my favourite positions to work from and there are loads more.

    If you dont know techniques I can try to describe, if you like?
     
  20. Falero

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    Well that
     

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