I didn't expect people to hate sub only as much as they apparently do. I like both for different reasons. Yes, major tournaments are timed and points decide winners a lot of the time. In that sense, it's better to do those. I found that sub only offers something that most people want to prove - "my jiu jitsu is better than yours". There are a lot of ways that guys win in timed matches. Strategy plays a huge role and it's not always the guy who's got the best jiu jitsu that wins. In a sub only tournament there are no tricks. You can't go for a toe hold so that you get 1 advantage up on your opponent in the last 30 seconds of the match and win. I enjoy the strategy, but also like to get my money's worth by having 20+ minute matches.