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Studies Highlight the Effects of Weight Cutting; BBC News Article

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/36205819

The BBC (The largest broadcasting corporation in the UK) has published an article highlighting the damaging effects of cutting weight in MMA.

Surely it is time to say 'enough is enough' when you have people DYING because they are trying to make weight; we need to either have same day weigh ins or hydration tests at weigh ins. Re-adjust the weightclasses accordingly.

This wholly unnecessary weightcutting madness has to end.
 
Weight cutting is certainly not good in the long term. I'd rather have people fighting closer to the weight they walk around at.
 
I think everyone wants this, it's just a matter of effectively getting there.
 
I think weight cutting is a very American thing (happens in wrestling that we dont have in the UK) and is more tolerated over there.

I think things like the IV bans are a step in the right direction and I would honestly like to see same day weigh-ins.
 
Same day weigh ins isn't a solution. A lot of guys would just fight dehydrated for the weight advantage.

Hydration tests are closer, but you also need funding for those. The UFC could maybe afford it, but smaller orgs would struggle.
 
It would certainly make the Heavyweight division stacked

Johny Hendricks could go back on his burger diet and Conor would be a nobody since he wouldn't be able to beat any top 5 155lbs or 170lbs
 
Conor would be a nobody since he wouldn't be able to beat any top 5 155lbs or 170lbs


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Same day weigh ins isn't a solution. A lot of guys would just fight dehydrated for the weight advantage.

Hydration tests are closer, but you also need funding for those. The UFC could maybe afford it, but smaller orgs would struggle.

Why would guys fight dehydrated for the advantage? Their performance would suffer and the cons would outweigh the pros and no one would do it.
 
It would certainly make the Heavyweight division stacked

Johny Hendricks could go back on his burger diet and Conor would be a nobody since he wouldn't be able to beat any top 5 155lbs or 170lbs

Em. Conor isn't the only FW who cuts weight. He'd still have fought Aldo who cuts a shit ton of weight and he would have sparked him. The LWs and WWs would be at MW and LHW because they also cut weight. So Conor would be the same as he is now.
 
Why would guys fight dehydrated for the advantage? Their performance would suffer and the cons would outweigh the pros and no one would do it.

Fighters fight dehydrated because they are dumbasses.

Same as the idiots who get popped by fight night piss tests.

Your average fighter is not a college graduate smart dude but a guy who likes hitting people in the face and getting hit.

Bro thinks weight cutting gives him an advantage.

Look at Rumble. From WW to HW and then to LHW.
 
Why would guys fight dehydrated for the advantage? Their performance would suffer and the cons would outweigh the pros and no one would do it.

Same reason guys cut massive amounts of weight now. In most people's eyes size is more important than endurance.

Wrestling, judo etc. has same day weigh ins; we still see guys cutting significant amounts because they think they can recover in time for competition.

Same day weigh ins doesn't solve the problem, it'll make it worse. There needs to be something else alongside it to make sure people aren't cutting 10lbs of water the day of the fight.

People are idiots.
 
Fighters fight dehydrated because they are dumbasses.

Same as the idiots who get popped by fight night piss tests.

Your average fighter is not a college graduate smart dude but a guy who likes hitting people in the face and getting hit.

Bro thinks weight cutting gives him an advantage.

Look at Rumble. From WW to HW and then to LHW.

Yer but they understand the concept of the point of diminishing returns. They might fight dehydrated once but they'd not do it a second time.

And exactly, rumble saw the error of his ways after he started to suffer consequences for cutting too much weight and has never done it again.
 
Cutting huge amounts just so you can fight smaller guy's is a cowards game, only CSAC have moved to sort the issue out as of yet.
 
Yer but they understand the concept of the point of diminishing returns. They might fight dehydrated once but they'd not do it a second time.

And exactly, rumble saw the error of his ways after he started to suffer consequences for cutting too much weight and has never done it again.

They don't understand the concept.

Watch some TUF and see what dumbasses are doing to make weight.

Salt baths and saunas.

Imagine the worst hangover you ever had times 5.

You ain't gonna be feeling good in 24 hours.

But your opponent is doing it so you do it.
 
They don't understand the concept.

Watch some TUF and see what dumbasses are doing to make weight.

Salt baths and saunas.

Imagine the worst hangover you ever had times 5.

You ain't gonna be feeling good in 24 hours.

But your opponent is doing it so you do it.
I have a relatively good idea after participating in 8 MMA bouts.

I cut a large amount weight once and felt like shit and didnt do it again (typically weighing in at 68-69kg for a 70 kg fight rather than cutting to around 60kg to drop weight classes), all the guys from my gym would cut a maximum of 2-3 kg for a same day weigh-ins but substantially more for a 24 hour. Granted this is all anecdotal and i think there is a cultural difference between the US and Europe in terms of weight cutting.
 
I have a relatively good idea after participating in 8 MMA bouts.

I cut a large amount weight once and felt like shit and didnt do it again (typically weighing in at 68-69kg for a 70 kg fight rather than cutting to around 60kg to drop weight classes), all the guys from my gym would cut a maximum of 2-3 kg for a same day weigh-ins but substantially more for a 24 hour. Granted this is all anecdotal and i think there is a cultural difference between the US and Europe in terms of weight cutting.

Yeah well a night of whiskey drinking and a big dump will cut you 2-3 kg.

Dudes are dehydrating 15% of body weight. No way can you recover from that and be 100%.

Wrestler macho mentality.

My ex just finished a weekend of partying, lost maybe 5% weight and she's on an IV with a panic attack, palpitations and feeling like death. Ketosis plus dehydration.
 
I have a relatively good idea after participating in 8 MMA bouts.

I cut a large amount weight once and felt like shit and didnt do it again (typically weighing in at 68-69kg for a 70 kg fight rather than cutting to around 60kg to drop weight classes), all the guys from my gym would cut a maximum of 2-3 kg for a same day weigh-ins but substantially more for a 24 hour. Granted this is all anecdotal and i think there is a cultural difference between the US and Europe in terms of weight cutting.

I don't see the point in 2-3 kg, why even cut. Just hover around your weight.
 
I don't see the point in 2-3 kg, why even cut. Just hover around your weight.
Thats basically what they did, same day weigh-ins typically meant same day travel so say the fight was at 70kg cut down to 67-68kg to comfortably eat before.
 
I honestly do not care about this issue at all. I pay for fights, not weigh ins.
 
Same day weigh ins isn't a solution. A lot of guys would just fight dehydrated for the weight advantage.

Hydration tests are closer, but you also need funding for those. The UFC could maybe afford it, but smaller orgs would struggle.
Same reason guys cut massive amounts of weight now. In most people's eyes size is more important than endurance.

Wrestling, judo etc. has same day weigh ins; we still see guys cutting significant amounts because they think they can recover in time for competition.

Same day weigh ins doesn't solve the problem, it'll make it worse. There needs to be something else alongside it to make sure people aren't cutting 10lbs of water the day of the fight.

People are idiots.

I agree that same day weigh-ins aren't the answer. However, I think fight time weigh-ins are.

As you move weigh-ins closer to the fight, you're decreasing the average amount of weight that'll be cut, while also decreasing the time there is to rehydrate. For example, with 24 hours to rehydrate, average water cut is X. If they instead had 48 hours to rehydrate, X would go up, which is bad, but they'd have more time to rehydrate, which is good. If they go in the other direction and give fighters only 6 hours to rehydrate, X would go down, which is good, but they'd have less time to rehydrate, which is obviously very bad.

Well, I'm suggesting that we decrease both of those numbers to 0. If fighters don't have any time at all to rehydrate, then there's no purpose of dehydrating in the first place.

I'm suggesting that fighters literally get weighed right before they walk out to the cage, or even right before they step into the cage. There'd be a preliminary weigh-in held the day before, to check that fighters are gonna make weight so fights don't have to be cancelled fight time, and also just to put on a show, a purpose the current weigh-ins serve.

Firstly, there might be logistical problems with this idea. It might be difficult for promoters and commissions to pull off. I don't know enough about their operations to know whether this would be a problem.

Secondly, and more importantly, there'd be a new disadvantage in MMA if my idea were implemented. Since the idea would be for no fighters to cut weight, all fighters would have to diet down to a weight within their weight class during camp. Some fighters stay in-shape year round, so this wouldn't be a problem for them. However, most fighters get out of shape when not in camp. When they sign to fight someone and get into camp, they diet down during camp, losing excess body fat. Sometimes, fighters don't lose as much weight as they'd have liked during camp, so when the fight comes, they're forced to cut that extra weight as a result...

In my system, if fighters mess up their diet during camp, as the fight approaches, they'll be forced to make a decision: Either be honest and contact the promoter, saying they won't be able to make weight, which will result in either fight cancellation or a catchweight and a fine, OR cut those excess pounds of weight, in water, without the intention of rehydrating, since that isn't possible.

People who choose that latter option would be fighting dehydrated, and thus be at a risk health-wise, depending on how much water they have to cut. But there are some things that could be done to combat this. Firstly, hydration tests could be done. That's a big proposition, and I don't know the science and the financial costs behind it. Secondly, promoters could take more responsibility in booking fights. When they book fighters, they could be required to find out fighters' weights, to see if they'll be capable of making weight come fight time. Thirdly, I'd like to think that with my idea and this new change in system, the culture of the sport would change. There's fighters like GSP and Conor McGregor and probably others who don't get much out of shape while out of camp. I'd like to think that more fighters would adopt this approach, since they no longer have the option to be lazy and just rely on cutting the excess weight in water.

Ultimately, no matter what measures are put in place to combat the fighters who choose that latter option, I'm aware that there'd still be some fighters who end up fighting dehydrated. I just hope that that number would be kept extremely low.

So, in comparing the current system to my proposed system, both have their advantages and disadvantages. They'd need to be weighed against each other (no pun intended) to determine which system is best. My system would have it so that the vast majority of fighters don't cut weight; by and large weight cutting will have been removed from the sport. But there will be rare cases in which fighters fight dehydrated due to lack of preparation and communication with promoters. The current system gives fighters 24 hours to rehydrate, however, 90% of fighters do it, because 90% of fighters cut weight.

We don't know the full extent of how damaging these weight cuts are to fighters long-term. It isn't just the fighters who get concussions during the fight, or kidney problems pre-fight. Fighters who don't suffer either of those things, may still suffer long-term because of repeated weight cuts. Fighters constantly talk about the weight cut being the "real fight", and are often miserable during the entire week of the fight, unable to focus on the fight itself, instead having to focus on weight management. And it's all a pointless side effect of prisoner's dilemma: Most fighters fight people who weigh a similar amount to them, yet they both have to go through this weight cutting process.



TLDR: I think MMA should adopt fight time weigh-ins in an attempt to remove weight cutting from the sport. The positive would be that the majority of fighters wouldn't cut weight. The negative would be that the minority that do, literally wouldn't have time to rehydrate, and thus would be at a severe disadvantage.
 
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