Strength and power forum thread nebucadnezzar

[KentckyFriedRat]

On this thread there is tons of the usual racist and drug talk from the moderators and members of the strength and power forum. Something should be done about that particular forum.

 

[Sinister]

I found no such thread by that name.

 

[Drastic]

The thread's been moved into the Booth for evaluation, thanks for the heads up.

 

[HULKAMANIA]

On this thread there is tons of the usual racist and drug talk from the moderators and members of the strength and power forum. Something should be done about that particular forum.

I agree that something should be done about that forum. With all due respect, I would suggest that you award moderators like Urban for their tireless work and regulars like CarnalSalvation for their dedication and extremely helpful advice. That board wouldn't function without folks like them. I also don't remember Urban joining in that thread so I don't know how moderators got accused of racist talk.

 

[Ted-P]

I don't think what they said was racist at all.

Yea, there were somer racial slurs out there, but they did not advocate racial superiority or etc. Yea it's up for interpretations, but......

Racism.


1. animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races

2. belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior

 

[CarnalSalvation]

Yeah, that's why this is absurd, it was clearly, like the other issues that have been raised in this regard in the past, tongue in cheek. A joke.

Now I understand that this board has ToS, but fuck them. Those terms of service haven't spent years and more hours than they can count helping kids learn how to get stronger so they can be better fighters. I've helped black kids, white kids, asian kids, indian kids. I know because I've seen pictures of some of them, because they are proud of the gains they've made. Ask them if I wanted to know what color they were before I taught them what I know.

Do I get upset when I write an article for that otherwise shithole board, and know some ASIAN people are gonna be reading it? No man, don't be fucking absurd.

The point is, being able to talk about fucking my dead grandpappies rotten, maggot ridden torso (yeah, he's a torso now, his legs rotted off) and not being able to say n1gger was fucking retarded. You ass motherfuckers int eh booth need to pull your heads out of your asses, quit being so politically correct and rememeber this forum is supposed to be for FIGHTERS. TOUGH GUYS. Not bitchy whiney ass vagina's like this kentuckfriedfuckface kid, who has a personal beef with me which is the primary reason he brought this up. That and he's a slope.

 

[Boondocksaint]

Yeah, that's why this is absurd, it was clearly, like the other issues that have been raised in this regard in the past, tongue in cheek. A joke.

Now I understand that this board has ToS, but fuck them. Those terms of service haven't spent years and more hours than they can count helping kids learn how to get stronger so they can be better fighters. I've helped black kids, white kids, asian kids, indian kids. I know because I've seen pictures of some of them, because they are proud of the gains they've made. Ask them if I wanted to know what color they were before I taught them what I know.

Do I get upset when I write an article for that otherwise shithole board, and know some ASIAN people are gonna be reading it? No man, don't be fucking absurd.

The point is, being able to talk about fucking my dead grandpappies rotten, maggot ridden torso (yeah, he's a torso now, his legs rotted off) and not being able to say n1gger was fucking retarded. You ass motherfuckers int eh booth need to pull your heads out of your asses, quit being so politically correct and rememeber this forum is supposed to be for FIGHTERS. TOUGH GUYS. Not bitchy whiney ass vagina's like this kentuckfriedfuckface kid, who has a personal beef with me which is the primary reason he brought this up. That and he's a slope.

I agree...you are a vital element to the S&P board. You are one of the few legit guys on the board as well. Your grip crusade has helped out a lot of people.

It's well known that you post some goofy and funny-ass threads from time to time. I, among others, enjoy these threads. You have earned the license to goof around from time to time. Your thread got a little crazy, but this is the internet and at the worst you should have gotten a warning.

This is my first time dubbed and it sucks dude. What was the personal beef with the Kentucky friend Rat boy anyway? did you make fun of his girly hands?

 

[Gavin LeFever]

[...] rememeber this forum is supposed to be for FIGHTERS. TOUGH GUYS. Not bitchy whiney ass vagina's [...]

nuff said.

 

[Sinister]

Yeah, that's why this is absurd, it was clearly, like the other issues that have been raised in this regard in the past, tongue in cheek. A joke.

Now I understand that this board has ToS, but fuck them. Those terms of service haven't spent years and more hours than they can count helping kids learn how to get stronger so they can be better fighters. I've helped black kids, white kids, asian kids, indian kids. I know because I've seen pictures of some of them, because they are proud of the gains they've made. Ask them if I wanted to know what color they were before I taught them what I know.

Do I get upset when I write an article for that otherwise shithole board, and know some ASIAN people are gonna be reading it? No man, don't be fucking absurd.

The point is, being able to talk about fucking my dead grandpappies rotten, maggot ridden torso (yeah, he's a torso now, his legs rotted off) and not being able to say n1gger was fucking retarded. You ass motherfuckers int eh booth need to pull your heads out of your asses, quit being so politically correct and rememeber this forum is supposed to be for FIGHTERS. TOUGH GUYS. Not bitchy whiney ass vagina's like this kentuckfriedfuckface kid, who has a personal beef with me which is the primary reason he brought this up. That and he's a slope.

Keep in mind, you are not banned for bannable actions. So before you go griping around about that there isn't any leniency or tolerance, think about the fact that there have been people banned for less infractions. However that being said:

Administration realized the thread was tongue-in-cheek, however, of course there are going to be those who do not have such a sense of humor. And joking is fine, but when it becomes a trend and is particularly set to raise a reaction from people, one that lets you get your jollies, that's when it becomes a problem. It's our job and administration's job to nip things like this in the bud before they become a problem...simply because we do not want to become one of those internet forums that's full of idiocy and nothing more.

Another thing to consider is WHERE this thread was started. The training forums are not the General Discussion forums, and there's reasons those forums exist. There were better places to begin this thread, where some of the more questionable jokes might have gone overlooked, though I doubt it considering the amount of complaints it stirred up.

And no, don't fuck the TOS, and don't fuck us. Why? Because the TOS and everyone's knowledge of it is in large-part what keeps the REAL problem posters off this board. Because if you're so hard-up on being able to take things in-stride then take being dubbed in-stride and move on without bitching and crying about it. You mentioned yourself that you might get banned in the thread, which means you recognize that things you said might be interpreted as necessitating such a response, but instead you received a lesser form of repromand. This is not something that warrants being skoffed at I don't think. Set the example of being able to handle shit and let it slide.

 

[HULKAMANIA]

I can see the administration's stance on this debacle, and it's a sensible one. I can also see the stance of the S&P regulars, and it's a sensible one, too. I think it's a shame that we're bickering over this; none of us asked for this to be problem. Someone forced us to go to the mat over it.

And I think it's a shame that he gets off Scot-free. KFR started a whole lot of trouble for no good reason. He's not an active member of the S&P forum; as far as I know, he's not an activist for worldwide, hate-free speech; and he certainly has no business hurting a community which he contributes nothing to. And there is no way around it: he hurt the S&P community by getting its single best, most consistent contributor dubbed. I don't see why he should be rewarded for bitching about something which could have (and would have) passed by uneventfully and inoffensively in a week or so.

So, if KFR gets to call down the administration on a flippant, tongue-in-cheek appearance of racism, I would like to call down the administration on a flippant, tongue-in-cheek appearance of pornography, which is equally bannable in the ToS.

In short, his avatar offends me with its depiction of a naked woman. Every time he posts, I am forced to look at something which goes against all of my personal convictions on the matter. I find it sincerely thoughtless and offensive. I would really like something to be done about it.

 

[Sinister]

You're assuming that this thread was the singular reason for Carnal's thread being called to Administration's attention. You're also assuming KFR is being "rewarded"...if not being punished is a "reward" you'd be correct, but that's debatable.

Keep in-mind as well that something like this is a process, and typically doesn't end with a singular action. Once something like this becomes known to Management pretty much every aspect of it is kept watch on, including the whistle-blowing aspect. If we dubbed a person every single time someone else complained, this would be a VERY yellow place. In short:

Carnal was dubbed for his words and his words alone, how Management finds out that the words are said is irrelevant. But I can assure you things like this are not decided on a flip of the coin, or any similar such miniscule a procedure. That's something I learned about becoming a Moderator here, the process is very thorough and complete. But you see, this is what I was talking about in-terms of nipping a problem in the bud. Your post, Hulkamania, while thought-out has a bit of a contradiction. You say you think it's sad "we're" bickering over this, and then you go on to (I'm sure sarcastically) point out your offense towards KFR's AV. And surely if something were done about that, then of course someone would then gripe about your notion being entertained, and so on and so forth.

Carnal is a big boy, and can handle being dubbed I'm sure. If he leaves Sherdog or pursues being banned further it just shows that repromand was the right decision. If KFR is really that bad of a poster that will also reveal itself. For now, the situation is what it is.

 

[HULKAMANIA]

See, I agree with you. What you say makes perfect sense to me, and I'm glad that the administration around here takes the well-being of the board seriously enough to think out these matters thoroughly. But one fact remains that I just can't seem to get around:

KentuckyFriedRat gets all nitpicky with a rule so that he can get Carnal dubbed or possibly banned (I read all KFR's posts in the S&P forum; he basically gets along with very few people in there but hates Carnal most of all), but he has a naked girl in his av. Then I read the double yellow rules and see:

6. Nudity. No bareass, assfloss, nipples or graphic poses, avatars included.

First of all, it's a black and white violation of the ToS. Second of all, if he wants to be a vindictive jerk, I think he should have to pay the piper. Regardless of whether folks deserved to be punished for that thread--like I said I can see the administration's perspective on this--he deserves to be punished for his av.

 

[Sinister]

I am pretty positive the girl is wearing a bikini.

 

[HULKAMANIA]

Hahaha, I dunno. She seems pretty nude to me. Maybe, however, she is just wearing ASSFLOSS!

 

[KentckyFriedRat]

In my own defense, I'm not a regular poster on any of the sherdog forums as I visit only about once a week, which is all work and training allows me and I'm not too much of a fan boy in the sense that I want to discuss every aspect of other fighter's careers, because I'm not really all that interested in that.

I'm also not sure where the idea that I get along with no one on the S&P forums. There are people who have gotten hostile at me both because I've used training methods contrary to the 'allowable' ones on the S&P forums and have stated that I had lackluster results in the sense of sports performance when trying the 'allowable' routines on the S&P forums. That was my experience with those things and I'll state the results I got with them, unfortunately it is met with hostility. If you are outside the 'allowable' routines and you say, hey this is what I do and I've gotten good results the remarks back are things such as "bullshit." I will say that there is a share of good advice on there and at times some entertaining discussion on training methods, which I like to read every now and then.

About 1/3 (or more) of the threads have nothing to do with lifting or sports performance much like the recently deleted thread and/or things of no training value. And anything mentioned outside the realm of the 'allowable' training methods is met with hostility, all things are reasons which I don't post there often.

I take the reference that I have some kind of beef with Carnal to be referring to the last racism debate in which I stated that I didn't care for his racial slurrs because my girlfriend was half black. When I brought this up to both him and Urban, it was shrugged off and I was met with such remarks as "If she is half black does that mean that she celebrates half of MLK day?" and other more insulting remarks. It was only after this that I brought it up with senior mods and the thread was deleted.

The problem with Urban as a mod is that he doesn't stop these sorts of things for fear of losing his 'friendship' with Carnal and the rest of the 10 or so regular posters on the forum. He will however lock and delete anything having to do with phyique development, which I believe is unjustifiable, being that not every member of the site is an athlete and it isn't like those things are irrelevant to lifting. It's a shame that racial slurrs and drug use are tolerated but legit questions about health or physique development are not.

What's more is that Carnal is a drug addict and openly condones drug use and tries to justify use of recreational drugs as helping him in his lifting, which is fine if he believes that, but I don't think that it is appropriate to state those things on a forum which may (and does) have impressionable teens and kids.

The senior mods have made it obvious that I'm not the only one to complain and it seems obvious to me that this was being taken care of before I made this thread. I really didn't care if Carnal got banned or yellow carded or whatever, I just think something should be done when this kind of thing pervades a forum. The mods did what they thought was justifiable and they have made it clear why they did what they did. Carnal has shown his true colors by getting hostile and spewing more racial slurrs, that's his choice and shows what he's like.

If the mods find it justifiable to card me for having a bikini girl in my av, then I will take it down and live with the reprimand. I can deal with things like that. I just don't care for racism and everytime I see it, I will report it.

 

[Sinister]

That's all fine and dandy, but you also have to keep in-mind that threads such as Carnal's are pure tongue-in-cheek most of the time. If there is underlying racism in him, that's not for you to deem or judge. Also, when you know there is a specific poster you don't care for, why keep clicking on his threads? Unless it's one of those things you hate and yet are uncontrollably drawn to, there shouldn't be a problem simply not getting involved in certain things that you know you have a problem with.

In defense of Urban, I don't think it's any fear he makes his decisions based on but that's just me. Moderators have certain ability to do their duties based on their own judgement, but they can and are just as easily checked by higher Administration as anyone else.

However at this juncture my proposal is that we let this issue past. And if people cannot play together and get along, then those people simply shouldn't play together.

 

[KentckyFriedRat]

I never judged anyone, I just reported the slurrs. Further, I never click on the obviously offtopic threads, I just happened to click on this one being that nebuchadnezzar may or may not be something worth reading. You're also assuming that I have something in particular against the guy, which I don't. I'm sure I haven't caught every racist thing the guy has posted, but I will report those that I do. Zero tolerance for that sort of thing.

In no way am I keeping the issue from passing, but I felt that I should state my case.

 

[Sinister]

I'm sure I haven't caught every racist thing the guy has posted, but I will report those that I do. Zero tolerance for that sort of thing.

This is what I'm getting at. Let the Mods do our job. Urban is not the only Mod of the training forums, and it's not your interpretation of what a racial slur is that dictates who gets punished for it on Sherdog. You stated your case in the opening post of this thread, and you've made it perfectly clear how you feel. That has been taken into consideration as has Carnal's position. For the moment, it's done.

 

[Boondocksaint]

"About 1/3 (or more) of the threads have nothing to do with lifting or sports performance much like the recently deleted thread and/or things of no training value. And anything mentioned outside the realm of the 'allowable' training methods is met with hostility, all things are reasons which I don't post there often."

No true at all. It is a S&P board.

"If she is half black does that mean that she celebrates half of MLK day?"

HA!!! That is funny. Can't you take a joke??

"The problem with Urban as a mod is that he doesn't stop these sorts of things for fear of losing his 'friendship' with Carnal and the rest of the 10 or so regular posters on the forum."

Just cause you can't be in the clique doesn't mean you have to ruin it for everyone else.




"What's more is that Carnal is a drug addict and openly condones drug use and tries to justify use of recreational drugs as helping him in his lifting, which is fine if he believes that, but I don't think that it is appropriate to state those things on a forum which may (and does) have impressionable teens and kids."

I'm glad that you are worried about the kids. Carnal admits that he smokes. Guess what? He can also squat a fucking truck. You do the math.



"If the mods find it justifiable to card me for having a bikini girl in my av, then I will take it down and live with the reprimand. I can deal with things like that. I just don't care for racism and everytime I see it, I will report it."

No, you are just a rat. If someone said something actually racist, the mods would not have to do anything, because the poster would be flamed into oblivion. We don't need you as the tattle tell forum rat. We are not racists here at Sherdog (other than Heppeh in the War Room who doesn't like Jews).

In short, you are a rat. I don't like you. Please leave Sherdog soon.

 

[KentckyFriedRat]

All I've got to say is that this is what I believe in and I will do what it takes to end it. Thread over.