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Straight right learnin.

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It's been pointed out I was lifting my right foot during the straight right. I was shifting my weight onto my left sacrificing power and causing the punch to follow an elliptical path.

I've been trying to teach myself the feeling of the muscle chain from right foot up to right hand.

To do this I've been attempting to push a wall with my right hand at the extent of the right straight motion. It has let me clearly feel the muscles that should be involved in the motion.

I thought about using a resistance band. Thought the resistance throughout the motion would not necessarily be useful.

Is there a bunch of drills that do this better or is my methodology sound?
 
I have no idea.

But I like the way you think, and I'm going to try that. While my kicks are coming along nicely, my hands are all sorts of shit and I've been looking for anything I can to improve them. I've been thinking I need to go back to basics a little and this sounds like just the thing.
 
It's been pointed out I was lifting my right foot during the straight right. I was shifting my weight onto my left sacrificing power and causing the punch to follow an elliptical path.

I've been trying to teach myself the feeling of the muscle chain from right foot up to right hand.

To do this I've been attempting to push a wall with my right hand at the extent of the right straight motion. It has let me clearly feel the muscles that should be involved in the motion.

I thought about using a resistance band. Thought the resistance throughout the motion would not necessarily be useful.

Is there a bunch of drills that do this better or is my methodology sound?

I don't know about pushing on the wall. Most people shift their weight forward to push, which is exactly what you're trying to avoid.

Just to clarify, are you asking for help learning a standard straight right, or are you asking about the punch sinister calls the "hard" right hand? If you listen to the Heavy Hands podcast, he talks about it towards the end of the 5th episode and why it makes the difference between "throwing" and "pushing" the punch.

Edit: here you go http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/10/23/4948006/heavy-hands-episode-five
 
A video would help a lot! But in any case, it's likely due to overexertion of your right leg pivot (or lack of pivot). It could also be because you're trying to use a push force with upperbody (e.g. overuse bench press muscles to punch and neglect lower body) rather than a snapping punch force, and are unable to recover the pivot, hip, shoulder and core rotation.

It could also be about your balance - try the motions to throw a cross only with your lower body, core and shoulder rotation without punching first. Isolating it will make it clearer where your problems are. Remember that your punch should be bottom up, and your head should not be going past your knee. The arm serves mainly as a transfer for power generated by the rest of your body.

Resistance bands are good supplementary (muscle) training. It's not good for developing fundamentals imo. Hope I helped!
 
Dempsey's book is handy.

Yeah. The hard right hand and I did listen to that podcast about an hour after release! Hearing that I could punch a right 'even' harder with an adjustment was a motivator. Who doesn't like hitting harder!

What it was doing for me was emphasizing pushing off the right foot rather than it just lifting up to follow the hip. Just as a way of feeling what should be happening before then practicing shadow and bag at various speeds.
 
A st. right hand is typically done by:

having your weight on the rear leg
push hard from your rear heal, turning your hips and initiating the weight shift
you then twist the shoulders. think pulling the lead shoulder back, while pushing the rear shoulder.
your hand doesnt come out until the shoulder has turned.
make sure to turn the wrist over as well, about half way through full arm extension.
keep your hand loose and dont telegraph it.
tighten right before impact. clinch fist.

line your right shoulder up with the target. If its a cross its a different trajectory, not straight.

Used to have a thudding or pushing type right.
the key is to make sure to not do all those steps in one fluid motion. Dont turn hips and shoudlers at the same time and release the hand.
make sure to go through not to as well. You dont want to just touch them, you want to put your hand through their face.

just drill it to death and you should be good. I was a LH happy guy in the past, but when I switched to a more rear legged stance and working the shell from time to time, now my right is golden as well.

Iv heard that right hand that Connor was talking about on his show, but have not seen another like it.(saw one video a while back where a guy was talking about it, but didnt explain it)

Not sure if its a specialty punch or if it takes place of the traditional st. right or what. If your weight isnt on the lead leg after the right, then its a pretty drastic change.

Iv also seen a neat thing some guys will do when fighting on a more lead heavy stance. They lift the lead foot up and push off from the back(now the weight is there). Almost like a drop step type deal. Its a cool trick iv pulled off quite a few times as of late, although im not sure about how much power it can generate compared to the traditional st. right.
 
Dempsey's book is handy.

Yeah. The hard right hand and I did listen to that podcast about an hour after release! Hearing that I could punch a right 'even' harder with an adjustment was a motivator. Who doesn't like hitting harder!

What it was doing for me was emphasizing pushing off the right foot rather than it just lifting up to follow the hip. Just as a way of feeling what should be happening before then practicing shadow and bag at various speeds.

Gotcha. Something to look at is your starting position. Make sure you start with your weight at least a little back and your right hip loaded. If the weight is starting forward, you aren't gonna be able to throw that hard right. You'll still potentially be able to throw a powerful punch, but not that specific more powerful version. Also make sure you emphasize sitting onto the right hip slightly before impact, and make sure your body is twisting hard but not leaning forward a lot. A video would definitely help.
 
Stick your elbow to your ribs, relax your shoulder, focus on the twist rather than the lean, and bring the weight back on the end of the punch. Throwing a medicine ball against the wall is probably better than a resistance band. It should help you get the feeling of throwing the punch, rather than pushing, which is what the resistance band will do for you.

The more weight you try to put into the punch, the more likely you are to leave your right foot behind and lose power. For me, it feels like unwinding into the punch, probably because my stance keeps me coiled for it (though Luis has talked about the starting position for the hard right being slightly different, which frankly confuses me in practice). But it definitely shouldn't feel like you're throwing your bodyweight forward. You should be twisting in order to throw your hand forward.

Disc..... hit it!

Like I'm some kind of expert. Notice I bring Luis on the podcast to talk about stuff like this. :wink:
 
I don't know about pushing on the wall. Most people shift their weight forward to push, which is exactly what you're trying to avoid.

Just to clarify, are you asking for help learning a standard straight right, or are you asking about the punch sinister calls the "hard" right hand? If you listen to the Heavy Hands podcast, he talks about it towards the end of the 5th episode and why it makes the difference between "throwing" and "pushing" the punch.

Edit: here you go http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/10/23/4948006/heavy-hands-episode-five

What is the difference between a regular straight right and a hard right??? Is the hard a little less straight??
 
What is the difference between a regular straight right and a hard right??? Is the hard a little less straight??

A regular straight right is what you typically learn where the weight shifts from the rear hip to the front hip, your head moves over your lead foot. With the "hard" right, there's less weight transfer and you sit onto the right hip instead of the left one, so the weight stays farther back during the punch (though it does move a little diagonally down/forward). A "hard" right is actually straighter. It just shoots right into the target as long as the elbow stays tight. It's more about the right side driving to twist the upper body and throw the punch, whereas a normal straight right is about leaning into the punch.

Honestly though, I don't think I've ever seen someone throw it in a fight. That's probably because I primarily watch MMA, I'm sure there are boxers who do it.
 
A regular straight right is what you typically learn where the weight shifts from the rear hip to the front hip, your head moves over your lead foot. .

NO!........ Your head should not get out over the lead knee, leaves you out of position and off balance. If you can look down and see your foot (other than your toes) after you throw the right hand, you are to far forward (leaning).

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NO!........ Your head should not get out over the lead knee, leaves you out of position and off balance. If you can look down and see your foot (other than your toes) after you throw the right hand, you are to far forward (leaning).

You're absolutely right. I meant to say your head moves closer to the lead foot, not completely over it. When I'm posting from my phone I often write things out too quickly and mess up details like that. Thanks for the correction
 
What is the difference between a regular straight right and a hard right??? Is the hard a little less straight??

For one thing, most people's "regular" straight right isn't all that straight. It's not uncommon for me to ask people to throw a right hand at my hand and they actually miss it the first time, or first couple of times.

If the weight moves over and into the lead hip, the force of the punch dissipates greatly the moment the weight begins to move forward, or even worse in some cases, up and over.

The longer it stays on the rear hip the stronger it'll be. It's more rooting of a punch, but if you land it clean, the opponent WILL be hurt.

P.S. - I noticed in the fan posts for that podcast on BE that some people said the "hard" right isn't very suitable for combination punching. That's not true, if you can figure out the positions and timing of weight transfers, it's a fantastic punch to put into combinations.
 
Stick your elbow to your ribs, relax your shoulder, focus on the twist rather than the lean, and bring the weight back on the end of the punch. Throwing a medicine ball against the wall is probably better than a resistance band. It should help you get the feeling of throwing the punch, rather than pushing, which is what the resistance band will do for you.

The more weight you try to put into the punch, the more likely you are to leave your right foot behind and lose power. For me, it feels like unwinding into the punch, probably because my stance keeps me coiled for it (though Luis has talked about the starting position for the hard right being slightly different, which frankly confuses me in practice). But it definitely shouldn't feel like you're throwing your bodyweight forward. You should be twisting in order to throw your hand forward.



Like I'm some kind of expert. Notice I bring Luis on the podcast to talk about stuff like this. :wink:



Hey discipilus...when you say dont leave the right foot behind when throwing right hand ..what u mean? Can you elaborate on that some more?
 
Hey discipilus...when you say dont leave the right foot behind when throwing right hand ..what u mean? Can you elaborate on that some more?

The old "back foot in a bucket" syndrome. People throw the right hand, and don't keep the back foot under the rear hip. The body moves forward and the foot does not.
 
The old "back foot in a bucket" syndrome. People throw the right hand, and don't keep the back foot under the rear hip. The body moves forward and the foot does not.

what problems does this pose,and when throwing the right the foot shoud be directly under the rear hip or just just not far away trailing behind?
 
P.S. - I noticed in the fan posts for that podcast on BE that some people said the "hard" right isn't very suitable for combination punching. That's not true, if you can figure out the positions and timing of weight transfers, it's a fantastic punch to put into combinations.

I honestly really like throwing a left hook after this type of right hand. It isn't as obviously or dramatically loaded as after a standard right hand, but I can still throw a good one. After the right, the weight transfers very slightly to my lead hip just long enough for the right leg to externally rotate a bit, then shifts very slightly back again as my hips turn. It feels very balanced and controlled.
 
what problems does this pose,and when throwing the right the foot shoud be directly under the rear hip or just just not far away trailing behind?

If you want power, the foot should be under the rear hip or as close to that as possible. Letting it go back is a practice of what we call the "soft" right hand, which can be handy as long as you plan to do something hard afterwards. Otherwise it's just a flashy looking technique, lots of sizzle and no steak. Unless you catch a guy on the temple, or break his nose, or naturally hit freakishly hard.

The problems of letting the back foot stay back too far are, well, everything. Bad balance, bad defensive position, bad offensive position, feet will likely be too wide apart, etc. etc.
 
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