Stipe wouldn't even survive during Fedor's era

[beroisimo**]

Look, I'm 43 years old so I know I'm one of those "Get off my lawn" types but some of you dipshits seem to think that Pride Era of MMA was the pinnacle of MMA. IT WAS NOT. The average fighter today is much more advanced than they were in Pride if you just see how fluid everyone is with techniques compared to then. Most of the top 10 fighters today are better than the Top 10 fighters back in the Pride days.

This

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Pride > UFC. I know it stings little guy.

Also 3000 year old Big Nog beat Sylvia and Fedor has defeated more UFC champs than anyone.

Take care and keep crying.

Do any of the Pride fans have any interest in moving on? I mean I like 90's NBA Basketball myself, but it gets tiresome watching old games in 360P definition..

BTW

Big Nog also got whooped by Mir two times..
CC got badly beat up by GG and Kongo in 2 of his first 3 UFC Fights.. On the feet.. One sided beat downs..
Fedor never signed with the UFC, Refusing a fight with Brock in July of 2010..

Son time moves on.. For the sake of your mental health, let go of the past.. We can help you.. Some good fighters today.. And you can watch in HD.. This dude named Stipe is pretty good..

 

[Sweater of AV]

Do any of the Pride fans have any interest in moving on? I mean I like 90's NBA Basketball myself, but it gets tiresome watching old games in 360P definition..

BTW

Big Nog also got whooped by Mir two times..
CC got badly beat up by GG and Kongo in 2 of his first 3 UFC Fights.. On the feet.. One sided beat downs..
Fedor never signed with the UFC, Refusing a fight with Brock in July of 2010..

Son time moves on.. For the sake of your mental health, let go of the past.. We can help you.. Some good fighters today.. And you can watch in HD.. This dude named Stipe is pretty good..

Keep crying little guy. Fedor > UFC.

 

[true_fan]

In Pride, Stipe would be on PEDS which means he will kill everyone there including your hero Fedor! Think about it and then answer

 

[TankvsNelmark]

Crocop got stiffed by Gonzaga and brendan Schaub and a washed up Randleman so I really hope you were joking

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Keep crying little guy. Fedor > UFC.

 

[Hrvman]

As someone who spent his teenage years watching pride, let me give a fair opinion.

First of all, I have met Fedor twice, Big Nog once, and was a lucky bastard sitting in the third row close to the red corner when Mirko won his K1 WGP in Zagreb. I was known in 2006 for my HL-6 Cro Cop highlights ''HL-6'' and Mirko himself , after two million views, wanted it to be uploaded in his own channel. So yes, I was a HUGE Pride fan and today Nostalgia still kicks in.

I still believe, having lived through both hypes, that Fedor vs Cro Cop remains the biggest HW clash ever.

BUT, we are now 15 years later and I must say, today, Cormier and Stipe are far beyond the level of 2005.

YES, Pride HW rape the UFC HW's of the same era. Sylvia Couture and Arlovksi already lost to Fedor and Nog. So the old debate from the 2000's, weither Pride is superior or not, we have the answer. Pride was the top league.

But now we are 15 years later and some Pride fans seem to force their way into pushing the comparison with Pride with all current and future HW's. Guys, you need to move on.

When I was uneducated about MMA and watched Pride I was so damn HYPED when Mirko dismantled Yamamoto, Shungo Oyama and Dos Caras in a few seconds. But now, at the age of 33, I am kind of ashamed to have believed, that those KO's were impressive haha. Who the f is Dos Caras in today's MMA history ?

Guys, while we know how good Fedor was skillwise, his sambo backround and speed are still unmatched. Mirko was a laser guided missile, and Big Nog was a warrior with a granite chin, but we are comparing pioneers of a growing sport who went into wars with Bob Sapp, with now a HW that has 6 titles in unified rules, with no cans in between title fights to hype himself.

After Stipe defeated Gonzaga, Nelson, Hunt and Arlovski, and KO'd Werdum, Dana gave Stipe no rest and threw at him absolute killers. Overeem, JDS, Ngannou, Cormier three times. And the guy scored 5 wins there.

This is reality guys, Stipe, instead of fighting the likes of Zulu or Kosahka, is always fed with TOP 3 ranked Heavies.

Fedor is for sure a legend and, the greatest legend at HW, but Stipe's 6 HW belts is definitely more impressive. He is now the HW GOAT, skillwise, maybe not, but in accomplishments, sure.

HW GOAT skillwise is a fantasy. Prime Cain, OWGP Cro Cop, Prime Fedor, every one of them on their best night could perform a W, this is why we need to talk about accomplishments. And Stipe, on saturday, has done more than any HW in History.

You want some nostagia, then watch my HW highlights.



Enjoy the past.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Take care sweet prince.

 

[DayV]

When is the last time you watched his early UFC fights? He seems to have forgot how to strike.. Forget wrestling or grappling against the cage, that's not why he lost. He is not even landing kicks.. Kongo kicked him in the body again and again in their fight.. Did GSP forget completely how wrestle when he got older? Funny..

The space is too big and round in cage, he could not approach longer opponents, or they could circle around in big space waiting for counter. Cro Cop uses the most beautiful strikes of various kicks like axe kicks, high kicks, that are most difficult to perform and big space that allows endless movement, circling and distance directy helps his opponents to evade his kickboxing. Numerous and big changes in rules and where the fight takes place that happened go at his expense and against his style.
From 2008 he had multiple knee surgeries and his knee cartilages were completely gone due to ware of numerous fights so he was certanly not the same any more.
On the other hand most of UFC stars never fought in different rules than unified, DC and Cain never even had a fight outside american time zone, never even had to deal with jet laag. UFC guys fought a lot less, with a lot more rest between fights and a lot less risk taken in career.
It is a lot more difficult to fight in life, than not to fight.
But even old and injured Cro Cop is a lot more dangerous in the ring, and prime Cro Cop is good enought to beat any UFC fighter in the ring.

 

[true_fan]

Mods are extremely biased and they deleted my threads and this stays!

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Ceased operation in 2007
Nobody From Pride at HW ever Dominated in the UFC
The Best Pride HW Never even showed up in the UFC..

The Nostalgia delusion continues..

Most of the PRIDE fighters had 30 to 40 fights by 2007. This was a transitional period in MMA. Cain and JDS were the new wave. Cain still has less than 20 fights and has been broken down for years. JDS still has less than 30 fights and he has been on the decline for many years now. JDS has now lost 3 in a row. Decline happens to UFC legends too, as you can see.

Barnett, Nog and Werdum were all UFC champions.

Overeem and Hunt both fought for UFC titles and defeated many prominent UFC HWs.

Sergei and Aleks never came to UFC. Cro Cop was the only one who didn't do so well in America but he had 7 surgeries in his UFC tenure and had 100 fights by that point.

Mileage is real

 

[P4p Islam]

So why are noobs acting like if he was the GOAT HW ? For sake he'd lost to big Nog or Mirko 10/10.

The result is pretty fresh so I understand the fervor but please let's not forget what the real GOAT has accomplished.

Fedor would have never go life and death with 5'8 Cormier and he would have zulu'd Franck in one round without having to hold for his life during 25 minutes.

Edit : some peoples are accusing me of trolling. My title thread may be exagerated so I'll bring some shade. Stipe could be a solid top 10 fighter but honestly I can't see him doing better. The ring wouldn't be good for him. For exemple he couldn't apply his gameplan for Ngannou under the Pride rules.

Man I gotta agree. Fedor was fighting killers like Naoya Ogawa.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

The space is too big and round in cage, he could not approach longer opponents, or they could circle around in big space waiting for counter. Cro Cop uses the most beautiful strikes of various kicks like axe kicks, high kicks, that are most difficult to perform and big space that allows endless movement, circling and distance directy helps his opponents to evade his kickboxing. Numerous and big changes in rules and where the fight takes place that happened go at his expense and against his style.
From 2008 he had multiple knee surgeries and his knee cartilages were completely gone due to ware of numerous fights so he was certanly not the same any more.
On the other hand most of UFC stars never fought in different rules than unified, DC and Cain never even had a fight outside american time zone, never even had to deal with jet laag. UFC guys fought a lot less, with a lot more rest between fights and a lot less risk taken in career.
It is a lot more difficult to fight in life, than not to fight.
But even old and injured Cro Cop is a lot more dangerous in the ring, and prime Cro Cop is good enought to beat any UFC fighter in the ring.

I agree with most of that.. I have been saying for some time Cage VS Ring is a different world.. It is not just about Pride VS UFC..

 

[Iron Nick]

Fedor and Cro Cop would both be difficult fights for sure - but couldn't think of a better stylistic match up for Stipe than Big Nog..

This so much!

Stipe hold his own against DC who's got way better wrestling than Big Nog, yet the latter is supposed to just take Stipe down and submit him? Ridiculous stuff.

Because on the feet, the only thing where Nog has the advantage is durability, but that would at best help him to only get beat completely instead of being finished.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Pride > UFC. I know it stings little guy.

Also 3000 year old Big Nog beat Sylvia and Fedor has defeated more UFC champs than anyone.

Take care and keep crying.

At the end of the day I wish it wasn't so, I would take a great modern HW division over any brand bragging rights in an instant but lets be honest it is isn't it?

At the end of the day the issue is chronic under investment by the UFC in the sport with Dana and co pocketing way too much of the income. All those big PPV's could have paid for a great HW division, instead they paid to keep the Feritta's casinos from going bust.

Bullshit UFC hype is helping to kill the sport, some people will be buying into Dana telling us two bums fighting for a pizza crust in 2027 is the best HW MMA ever.

 

[sampuncher]

Everyone's talking about him versus nog and mirko but I think pride Sergei would give stipe problems

Great shout. Hed be more difficult of a match up than Crocop for me.

 

[Jone Jons]

great thread. A+

 

[Doug Money]

Prime Big Daddy Goodridge kos him to Bolivian

 

[Stagliano]

Prime Big Daddy Goodridge kos him to Bolivian

Lol I don't even see Stipe pass Maurice Smith.

Man I gotta agree. Fedor was fighting killers like Naoya Ogawa.

Olympic medailist Ogawa was undefeated before to meet the last emperor. Nice try though.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Olympic medailist Ogawa was undefeated before to meet the last emperor. Nice try though.

Ogawa wasn't even that clueless standing, he dropped Goodridge and stood comfortably with Satake for long periods.

Not to say I think he was an elite fighter but the idea he was a total can is really down to Fedor destroying him so quickly.