Steve Bannon - "The media is the opposition party"..."Should keep it's mouth shut!"

[HereticBD]

Do you feel like that perhaps Trump eggs them on by bringing it up himself?

100%

In reality, if both parties ignored the other, they'd be much better off.

Yes. Partisanship does not belong in the media. This is how FOX became a joke. The thing is, at least it was only ONE network. From the Bush administration to now, the vast majority of the media went hard, full retard left, like FOX did with the right during Bush's years. Now that those networks don't have their guy in power, the fallout is far greater.

When Fox got dunked on with Obama, it was one network. One network that had to swallow it's pride, and get laughed at for being a joke. Now, it's "the media". "The Media" is the joke, and not just Fox.

 

[Guestx]

I've got no issue with any of that. I voted Clinton for the exact same reason.

But if Clinton had won and were lashing out like this I would have the exact same response. The web Trump and his team are spinning should be troubling to any objective voter. Trump, Clinton, or third party.

We're going to see how it goes with Trump. I am not without my reservations. I do think he comes off sometimes as a bit authoritarian and dictatorial. And he can be petty. None of that I like.

But if he can do some of the things he's said he'll do, like bring jobs back to America, incentivize more Americans to buy American, strengthen the border, make it harder for radical Muslims to get into the country, lower taxes, repeal Obamacare, and protect our 2nd Amendment rights, then I'm on board.

What I really want to see is a new wave of patriotism in the country, like we had many years ago during the Cold War. And I'd like to see this from ALL Americans. I hope Trump can find a way to inspire that.

But don't worry, if he tries to extend his power too far I'll be the first to say it. I am already leery of this. I am a small government kind of guy. I tend to think the government should have less power, not more.

 

[Blackened]

I've done a fair amount of freelance writing for magazines over the past few years and I'm also working on becoming a documentarian (I've made a couple of short docs already, just amateur stuff), so I realize that if I attack the media I'm actually attacking myself and the profession that I'm working my way into.

So I'm very careful to separate "the press" from individual assholes and assholes organizations that fall under the label. To me, "the press" or "the media" is more of an idea . . . a concept . . . the belief that people should have access to information, than it is some evil entity out there that we need to battle against.

If a particular media outlet or reporter fucks up, then give them shit about it. Just remember that we'd be in a VERY bad spot informationally if no one was out there doing the job.

The problem is people believe the type of propaganda spewed from the left as gospel.

I dunno, let's see how it plays out.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

This is what happens when large segments of a population feel alienated from and by entire institutions.

As others have pointed out, the tragedy is that good journalists suffer for this too.

I cannot help but feel that the signal to noise ratio in the news media is worse than it was twenty or thirty years ago.

 

[Bendo MMA Hero]

We're going to see how it goes with Trump. I am not without my reservations. I do think he comes off sometimes as a bit authoritarian and dictatorial. And he can be petty. None of that I like.

But if he can do some of the things he's said he'll do, like bring jobs back to America, incentivize more Americans to buy American, strengthen the border, make it harder for radical Muslims to get into the country, lower taxes, repeal Obamacare, and protect our 2nd Amendment rights, then I'm on board.

What I really want to see is a new wave of patriotism in the country, like we had many years ago during the Cold War. And I'd like to see this from ALL Americans. I hope Trump can find a way to inspire that.

But don't worry, if he tries to extend his power too far I'll be the first to say it. I am already leery of this. I am a small government kind of guy. I tend to think the government should have less power, not more.

Respect.

Like it or not we're all on the same team. I've got to hope the president can do his job, and do his job well. But if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

I can't understand how true conservatives voted for this guy. Or true christians, even true republicans. Like flawed logic. Thinking NOT being a Washington insider was sufficient to know that a candidate would be better than a politician.

But hey, I hope I'm wrong. If the guy really does have a positive impact I'll own it.

 

[Guestx]

The problem is people believe the type of propaganda spewed from the left as gospel.

I dunno, let's see how it plays out.

Yeah, people need to learn how to interpret the news, and they also need to get their news from various sources to get a balanced picture of what's happening in the world. I watch FOX but I also spend a lot of time on CBSN (CBS's 24/7 streaming news service). And I use the news apps from the Salt Lake Tribune (our local paper) and MSN, which aggregates stories from a wide variety of sources.

I think we need to be aware of some of the ways that media outlets implement their bias:

- running actual fake news which they know to be false (extremely rare)
- running factual stories but doing so in a way that has an angle that supports their personal beliefs/agenda
- running factual stories that support their agenda, while choosing not to run other stories that do not

I think that most news organizations do this to some degree. Though we have to also understand that mistakes happen and sometimes reporters and their editors fuck up without meaning to.

 

[Blackened]

Yeah, people need to learn how to interpret the news, and they also need to get their news from various sources to get a balanced picture of what's happening in the world. I watch FOX but I also spend a lot of time on CBSN (CBS's 24/7 streaming news service). And I use the news apps from the Salt Lake Tribune (our local paper) and MSN, which aggregates stories from a wide variety of sources.

I think we need to be aware of some of the ways that media outlets implement their bias:

- running actual fake news which they know to be false (extremely rare)
- running factual stories but doing so in a way that has an angle that supports their personal beliefs/agenda
- running factual stories that support their agenda, while choosing not to run other stories that do not

I think that most news organizations do this to some degree. We have to also understand though that mistakes happen and sometimes reporters and their editors fuck up without meaning to.

I do think it's dangerous when the most powerful media organizations (in the world) are saying Trump is a racist and removed MLK bust.

This must be dealt with in some way, these people are arguable more powerful than the government in many ways since they control global perception.

As for your points, we don't teach logic in grade school. This is a problem. Kids learn how to memorize facts and not how to think.

Both are problems that need to be dealt with.

 

[Guestx]

I can't understand how true conservatives voted for this guy. Or true christians, even true republicans. Like flawed logic. Thinking NOT being a Washington insider was sufficient to know that a candidate would be better than a politician.

Well what's a true conservative to do? Vote Clinton?

I don't think many really hardcore conservatives voted for him in the primary. I know here in Utah, which is very conservative due to the Mormon influence, he only got 14% of the vote in the primary. It was actually Cruz who dominated, with 69%. But once Trump was actually the candidate facing off with Clinton, he was seen by most conservatives as the only real choice, unless they wanted to get wild and crazy and vote for Gary Johnson.

On a related note, I've also noticed that conservatism has kind of split into two factions. You have the traditional religious conservatives who are not only worried about things like small government and lower taxes, but also issues like gay marriage and abortion. Then you have the conservatives who are of more of a libertarian bent, who want their small government and their guns and low taxes, but they don't give a shit about something like gay marriage. On some broad level these two groups may both fall under the heading of "conservative," but when you look closely there are some important differences between them.

But hey, I hope I'm wrong. If the guy really does have a positive impact I'll own it.

Well I for one appreciate your open-mindedness. As I see it, he's not really a Republican--more of an Independent who just happened to run as a Republican--so it's my hope that he'll eventually win over some people who are traditionally on the left but who have a psychological block that keeps them from supporting a member of the Republican party.

 

[Blackened]

Well what's a true conservative to do? Vote Clinton?

I don't think many really hardcore conservatives voted for him in the primary. I know here in Utah, which is very conservative due to the Mormon influence, he only got 14% of the vote in the primary. It was actually Cruz who dominated, with 69%. But once Trump was actually the candidate facing off with Clinton, he was seen by most conservatives as the only real choice, unless they wanted to get wild and crazy and vote for Gary Johnson.

On a related note, I've also noticed that conservatism has kind of split into two factions. You have the sort of traditional religious conservatives who are not only worried about things like small government and lower taxes, but they also concern themselves with issues like gay marriage and abortion. Then you have the conservatives who are of more of a libertarian bent, who want their small government and their guns and low taxes, but they don't give a shit about something like gay marriage. On some broad level these two groups may both fall under the heading of "conservative" when you look closely there are some important differences between them.




Well I for one appreciate your open-mindedness. As I see it, he's not really a Republican--more of an Independent who just happened to run as a Republican--so it's my hope that he'll eventually win over some people who are traditionally on the left but who have a psychological block that keeps them from supporting a member of the Republican party.

Trump said he is cutting regulations by 75%. He's more of a real conservative choice than neocon Cruz.

There is a reason Trump beat Cruz 3:1 in the primaries.

 

[Guestx]

I do think it's dangerous when the most powerful media organizations (in the world) are saying Trump is a racist and removed MLK bust.

This must be dealt with in some way, these people are arguable more powerful than the government in many ways since they control global perception.

As for your points, we don't teach logic in grade school. This is a problem. Kids learn how to memorize facts and not how to think.

Both are problems that need to be dealt with.

I agree with that.

I think the best way to deal with the media when they do dumb shit, is a) speak up about it and don't be silent, and b) don't patronize them. I mean, think about it, if everyone just quit turning on CNN tomorrow then they'd be forced to shape up or ship out.

With that said, I also think that today's digital age is part of the problem. We are truly in the age of the 24-hour news cycle. They're all racing to be first and, due to the immediate nature of the Internet, reporters get sloppy and don't fact check like they used to.

 

[IppoMakanuchi]

The people who work for this administration are going to die of stress before the first term is up.

 

[Guestx]

Trump said he is cutting regulations by 75%. He's more of a real conservative choice than neocon Cruz.

There is a reason Trump beat Cruz 3:1 in the primaries.

Where I think that Cruz really shines is in being a good constitutional conservative. He clearly believes in the Constitution and he also believes in small government. He feels like government shouldn't actually be very important in people's lives, which is pretty rare for a career politician.

 

[Blackened]

Where I think that Cruz really shines is in being a good constitutional conservative. He clearly believes in the Constitution and he also believes in small government. He feels like government shouldn't actually be very important in people's lives, which is pretty rare for a career politician.

Honestly, I'm the same way.

First we gotta clean up the mess. If we get the mess cleaned up, I might return to the libertarian party. In the mean time, I'm a Trumpian.

 

[Bendo MMA Hero]

Well what's a true conservative to do? Vote Clinton?

I don't think many really hardcore conservatives voted for him in the primary. I know here in Utah, which is very conservative due to the Mormon influence, he only got 14% of the vote in the primary. It was actually Cruz who dominated, with 69%. But once Trump was actually the candidate facing off with Clinton, he was seen by most conservatives as the only real choice, unless they wanted to get wild and crazy and vote for Gary Johnson.

On a related note, I've also noticed that conservatism has kind of split into two factions. You have the traditional religious conservatives who are not only worried about things like small government and lower taxes, but also issues like gay marriage and abortion. Then you have the conservatives who are of more of a libertarian bent, who want their small government and their guns and low taxes, but they don't give a shit about something like gay marriage. On some broad level these two groups may both fall under the heading of "conservative," but when you look closely there are some important differences between them.




Well I for one appreciate your open-mindedness. As I see it, he's not really a Republican--more of an Independent who just happened to run as a Republican--so it's my hope that he'll eventually win over some people who are traditionally on the left but who have a psychological block that keeps them from supporting a member of the Republican party.

I hoped the Christians, because he had a dozen sexual assault accusers. I mean the guy is the most ungodly man to ever run for office. That part is actually pretty funny.

And I thought Clinton was the more rational choice for a true conservative, not the religious right. I'm a pretty fiscally conservative dem, a blue dog dem. I like Jim Webb. I felt like the democratic party was less like the galactic empire, so I went with them. I think the far left wing of the party can be very damaging to the party as a whole. The democratic party is going through the same type of internal hurricane that the republicans did when Obama was elected. Hopefully they handle it with a little more dignity (no revolutionary costumes at rallies).


You're right about Trump. He is without a doubt not a Republican. He may be in way over his head, or he may stop sobbing at anything negative anyone says about him and do what he says he will do. Obviously I'm hoping for the one that doesn't kill us all. What an incredible time in history we live in.

 

[Guestx]

Honestly, I'm the same way.

First we gotta clean up the mess. If we get the mess cleaned up, I might return to the libertarian party. In the mean time, I'm a Trumpian.

My voter card reads as "unaffiliated," which is apparently what they call independent here in Utah, but when I registered to vote a little while back I thought strongly about registering either as a Republican or a Libertarian. I ultimately decided that I'm just going to do my own thing and not align myself too closely with any particular group. But like you say, for now I'm on Team Trump.

 

[Blackened]

I hoped the Christians, because he had a dozen sexual assault accusers. I mean the guy is the most ungodly man to ever run for office. That part is actually pretty funny.

And I thought Clinton was the more rational choice for a true conservative, not the religious right. I'm a pretty fiscally conservative dem, a blue dog dem. I like Jim Webb. I felt like the democratic party was less like the galactic empire, so I went with them. I think the far left wing of the party can be very damaging to the party as a whole. The democratic party is going through the same type of hurricane that the republicans did when Obama was elected. Hopefully they handle it with a little more dignity (no revolutionary costumes at rallies).


You're right about Trump. He is without a doubt not a Republican. He may be in way over his head, or he may stop sobbing at anything negative anyone says about him and do what he says he will do. Obviously I'm hoping for the one that doesn't kill us all. What an incredible time in history we live in.

The timing was a little suspicious, no? And they dropped the cases, no? Should make one raise an eyebrow when you have people dumping billions of dollars into leftist causes, to think dishonest things like this haven't been done would be a little out of touch with reality imo. If the situation was reversed and they were saying the same thing about a democrat, we should treat these accusations skeptically imo.

Clinton was endorsed by the communist party and her international globalist policies were things so ambitious Stalin himself never tried it. In no way could a true conservative support her.

 

[Guestx]

I hoped the Christians, because he had a dozen sexual assault accusers. I mean the guy is the most ungodly man to ever run for office. That part is actually pretty funny.

It's interesting, because my dad is a serious Christian and he voted for Trump. But to him, Hillary was literally the devil. (Okay, well maybe not literally, but damn close.) So for him, if the choice is a flawed human being who will push through the kinds of policies that he agrees with or Satan incarnate, then the choice is clear.

And I thought Clinton was the more rational choice for a true conservative, not the religious right. I'm a pretty fiscally conservative dem, a blue dog dem. I like Jim Webb. I felt like the democratic party was less like the galactic empire, so I went with them. I think the far left wing of the party can be very damaging to the party as a whole. The democratic party is going through the same type of internal hurricane that the republicans did when Obama was elected. Hopefully they handle it with a little more dignity (no revolutionary costumes at rallies).

You sound like what I'm hearing a lot of people identify as today, a "classic liberal."

Are you familiar at all with Dave Rubin?

You're right about Trump. He is without a doubt not a Republican. He may be in way over his head, or he may stop sobbing at anything negative anyone says about him and do what he says he will do. Obviously I'm hoping for the one that doesn't kill us all. What an incredible time in history we live in.

I do hope he stops being petty. It is unbecoming. He's the President of the United States now. He's got to try to put his ego aside. That much I will say.

In any case, I don't mean to make light of the situation by saying this, but regardless of whether he exceeds or fails it should be one hell of an entertaining ride.

 

[Bendo MMA Hero]

The timing was a little suspicious, no? And they dropped the cases, no? Should make one raise an eyebrow when you have people dumping billions of dollars into leftist causes, to think dishonest things like this haven't been done would be a little out of touch with reality imo. If the situation was reversed and they were saying the same thing about a democrat, we should treat these accusations skeptically imo.

Clinton was endorsed by the communist party and her international globalist policies were things so ambitious Stalin himself never tried it. In no way could a true conservative support her.

I mean, he said he just grabs women by the pussy. Its not that hard to believe. That and I, just as a principle, will believe the word of the sexual assault victim when someone comes forward before I will demonize them. You can be skeptical, I don't know if he actually does grab em by the pussy, or if he just says when he wants people to like him.


So what? Again, and Trump was endorsed by the KKK. That doesn't mean anything. The Sanders wing of the party certainly pushed her to the left, ill concede that. Two flawed candidates, I thought my horse was more mentally stable.


But like I said we're all on team Trump now. But it is imperative to be able to recognize when something is wrong. Like I said, just don't follow him down that rabbit hole.

 

[Kadafi]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/business/media/stephen-bannon-trump-news-media.html


Needless to say, I agree wholeheartedly.


What say you?

 

[Blackened]

I mean, he said he just grabs women by the pussy. Its not that hard to believe. That and I, just as a principle, will believe the word of the sexual assault victim when someone comes forward before I will demonize them. You can be skeptical, I don't know if he actually does grab em by the pussy, or if he just says when he wants people to like him.


So what? Again, and Trump was endorsed by the KKK. That doesn't mean anything. The Sanders wing of the party certainly pushed her to the left, ill concede that. Two flawed candidates, I thought my horse was more mentally stable.


But like I said we're all on team Trump now. But it is imperative to be able to recognize when something is wrong. Like I said, just don't follow him down that rabbit hole.

Hmm, maybe I'm a little different. Like, when I'm in a car about chatting with friends I say shit like that. The other week I was going out with this chick, I was talking to my friend about the girl. I told him, "I can't wait to bury my face in her back side and smell her asshole." It was a joke. I suppose there are some men that don't make these types of jokes, but for those of us that do it's pretty recognizable in that context. Men boast around other men, we shit talk. At least my friends and I do. We don't take what each other say literally. Maybe it's a generational gap, but when I was growing up it was pretty common.

Fair enough.

Let's do it man. From the sounds of it, our interests don't seem too far apart. We just want America to rise and our people to prosper. Let's just enjoy the ride.