Law State of WA: Introduction of Gun Control Bills to Senate Floor

[Gregolian]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...cIAxZcl6C5ylaLfmMe1uHUNYWGMbnuFGdfCYqyViG_Tmw

So, here's the basics of what's hitting the Senate floor:

The Proposed Substitute to Senate Bill 5062, sponsored by Senator Patty Kuderer (D-48), was filed at the request of Attorney General Bob Ferguson. It would ban the possession of ammunition magazines with a capacity greater than 10, encompassing most standard capacity magazines commonly used by law-abiding citizens, such as with handguns popular for self-defense. Those who own non-compliant magazines prior to the ban would only be allowed to possess them on their own property and in other limited instances such as at licensed shooting ranges and nationally sanctioned sport shooting events. These magazines would have to be transported unloaded and locked separately from firearms and stored at home locked, making them unavailable for self-defense.

The Proposed Substitute to Senate Bill 5061, sponsored by Senator Manka Dhingra (D-45), was filed at the request of Attorney General Ferguson. It would end the centuries old practice of manufacturing firearms for personal use, among other things.

Senate Bill 5174, sponsored by Senator Guy Palumbo (D-1), would increase the government red tape that law-abiding adults must go through in order to obtain a Concealed Pistol License by requiring a mandatory training course.

Senate Bill 5143, sponsored by Senator Dhingra, would require law-enforcement to seize firearms and ammunition when they are called to the scene of an alleged domestic violence incident and hold them for at least five business days. This would result in property being confiscated without first going through due process and subjecting citizens to bureaucratic red tape to get their property returned.

Senate Bill 5027, sponsored by Senator David Frockt (D-46), would expand Washington’s existing Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPO). It would affirm that the ERPO can be issued against minors while also infringing upon the self-defense rights of law-abiding parents or others in the household without due process.

I know it's an NRA web address but that's the fastest one I could find that lists what's being posted.

My personal opinion, blanket... not a fan of these. I can GET the training course needed for a CPL as even Utah requires that. Same with Senate Bill 5143 given the cops as it stands now are basically required to arrest SOMEONE at the scene of a DV call.

My biggest issues are with the top one (5062), 5061, and 5027.

For me, 5062 doesn't make any sense to me and most magazine size restrictions never make sense. I know the usual argument is that "smaller magazine means they have to reload more which means more chance for someone to react and stop them without being injured in the process". That argument at least is USUALLY used to restrict those 50-100 round drum mags for like AKs and ARs. My usual contention is that those drum mags, outside of ones from MagPul generally, well, suck. I also personally am not a huge fan as a standard citizen being told "hey, we don't think you can handle having a 15 round magazine for your Glock but that cop that hasn't qualified in 2 years and only barely makes the qualification amount? Yeah, he can have a 17 round mag". I feel like normal citizens SHOULD be allowed to have most everything cops can get. Granted, economics/finances means most citizens will be priced out of owning like a APC mini tank that SWAT used in Die Hard 1.

For 5061 for me I get WHY they want to do it, it's to prevent people from building out of pipes and shit a home made Tommy Gun or some shit but knowing my state they won't write it properly and it means the parts I have to put together a long range bolt gun (buy the receiver, barrel, and chassis all separately and pay a gunsmith to put it together) will end up being considered illegal.

5027 I get WHY they are doing it, they feel it's a preventative sort of law. I am just worried it's open for abuse by asshole neighbors that don't like you claiming you swearing at them for their dog shitting in your yard means you pose a threat and the cops show up and take your firearms away without due process.



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PERSONAL DISCLAIMER

I'll admit my bias. I am a gun owner with multiple rifles, multiple pistols of which all but 1 have capacities of over 10 rounds.

 

[superpunch]

IMO, good. You don't need any magazine capacities that big for hunting or self defense. The murder rate in the US is outrageous. No other first world country has our insane firearms laws and they're all safer. People are happier and live longer in all of them.

 

[Stoic1]

Nope.

 

[Gregolian]

Nope.

All I know is what my tax return is getting dropped on now is either my CC debt or some PMAGs and G17 mags.

 

[Stoic1]

IMO, good. You don't need any magazine capacities that big for hunting or self defense. The murder rate in the US is outrageous. No other first world country has our insane firearms laws and they're all safer. People are happier and live longer in all of them.

GTFO of here with what YOU think I need.

I don't drink or smoke. I don't think you need those things. I say ban alcohol and tobacco use and save WAY more lives. While we are at it you dont NEED to go faster than 55MPH ever. All cars have governors installed. Save even more lives.

None of that stuff is guaranteed by a Bill of Rights. Pretty much a slam dunk IMHO if we want to save lives.

 

[Gregolian]

GTFO of here with what YOU think I need.

I don't drink or smoke. I don't think you need those things. I say ban alcohol and tobacco use and save WAY more lives. While we are at it you dont NEED to go faster than 55MPH ever. All cars have governors installed. Save even more lives.

None of that stuff is guaranteed by a Bill of Rights. Pretty much a slam dunk IMHO if we want to save lives.

Stop deaths from drunk driving... let's ban sober driving.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

What does end manufacturing of guns for personal use even mean?

 

[HockeyBjj]

Fing stupid

Even in mass shootings (which account for a very small number of murders in this country) the firearm is most often not the limiting factor in the death toll. Perp could usually get the same body count with a pump shotgun or even a bolt action rifle.

Sorry that comment is so dark, but it is what it is. Having the edge that an AR and a standard capacity mag only comes into play in a firefight. Against unarmed victims, it doesn't make much of a different a 10 round pistol, pump shotgun, or AR. And that's making the (wrong) assumption someone bent on murdering as many people as they could wouldn't be able to easily illegal arm themselves anyway.

 

[Gregolian]

What does end manufacturing of guns for personal use even mean?

Probably 80% lowers. Mostly cause those aren't serialized unless you go to sell them then you need to submit it to the ATF to get a serial number.

 

[Gregolian]

Fing stupid

Even in mass shootings (which account for a very small number of murders in this country) the firearm is most often not the limiting factor in the death toll. Perp could usually get the same body count with a pump shotgun or even a bolt action rifle.

Sorry that comment is so dark, but it is what it is. Having the edge that an AR and a standard capacity mag only comes into play in a firefight. Against unarmed victims, it doesn't make much of a different a 10 round pistol, pump shotgun, or AR. And that's making the (wrong) assumption someone bent on murdering as many people as they could wouldn't be able to easily illegal arm themselves anyway.

The Texas clocktower shooter comes to mind. He did his damage with a notoriously unreliable bolt gun in like 7mm.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Smh.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Probably 80% lowers. Mostly cause those aren't serialized unless you go to sell them then you need to submit it to the ATF to get a serial number.

The link references undetectable firearms - but does not go into much detail.

 

[Gregolian]

The link references undetectable firearms - but does not go into much detail.

I would imagine it's 80% lowers. The damn bill doesn't reference them by name but it's hard to think it's something else.

 

[superpunch]

GTFO of here with what YOU think I need.

I don't drink or smoke. I don't think you need those things. I say ban alcohol and tobacco use and save WAY more lives. While we are at it you dont NEED to go faster than 55MPH ever. All cars have governors installed. Save even more lives.

None of that stuff is guaranteed by a Bill of Rights. Pretty much a slam dunk IMHO if we want to save lives.

Cars, alcohol, and tobacco are whatboutisms

 

[HockeyBjj]

The Texas clocktower shooter comes to mind. He did his damage with a notoriously unreliable bolt gun in like 7mm.

What you got against 7mm? My hunting rifle is a Weatherby 7mm rem mag. That thing is great, especially at 300-500 yards.

 

[NoDak]

On The Senate Floor?! Preposterous.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The link references undetectable firearms - but does not go into much detail.

Maybe? I was thinking 3d prints

 

[Gregolian]

What you got against 7mm? My hunting rifle is a Weatherby 7mm rem mag. That thing is great, especially at 300-500 yards.

Nothing against modern ones.

NVM, Whitman used a R700 in 6mm.

Oswald was the one that used the Carcano in like 6.5

On The Senate Floor?! Preposterous.

You don't know Washington State politics if this is your reaction.

The only states that are more blue are probably NY, CA, Mass, and Oregon. Also lol at you insinuating I'm having a meltdown over this.

 

[HockeyBjj]

I would imagine it's 80% lowers. The damn bill doesn't reference them by name but it's hard to think it's something else.

Also the can of worms that 3d printing technology can create I would believe

I haven't made any firearms, but I made a pmag copy shell with my printer, took the spring system out of a pmag, and it works in my gun. Just doesn't lock open after last round so I've got to make a few tweeks to the design

 

[Gregolian]

Also the can of worms that 3d printing technology can create I would believe

I haven't made any firearms, but I made a pmag copy shell with my printer, took the spring system out of a pmag, and it works in my gun. Just doesn't lock open after last round so I've got to make a few tweeks to the design

It's making me rethink the P80 compact frame I got like 3 years ago I haven't finished.

Thank CHRIST my AR-10 receivers are on the way already.