STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Official Thread v.6

[Dizzy]

It might not have been complex, but it was convoluted. Convoluted enough to leave a large minority of the audience scratching their heads. That part of the script needed more work.

I wouldn't blame the writers for a minority of people being confused.

 

[BVG]

Unfortunately we're not all at your advanced level of intelligence. If you are writing a major blockbuster, i.e. something that's supposed to be easily digestible by mass audiences, and such a large fraction of us are confused, that's indicative of problems with the script. This isn't something that's supposed to be esoteric and open-ended like 2001. I had a great time and loved the movie, but it had its fair share of plot holes and unnecessary ambiguity.

Oh noes Dizzy, someone else thinks that the over all plot points were fully fleshed out or explained!

But that's ok, we can all just get you to explain it to us like we are all children!

 

[Dizzy]

Oh noes Dizzy, someone else thinks that the over all plot points were fully fleshed out or explained!

But that's ok, we can all just get you to explain it to us like we are all children!

Several posters have had to do that for you.

 

[John Stockton]

I wouldn't blame the writers for a minority of people being confused.

A large minority is significant. If even 25% of people were confused, that's problematic.

 

[BVG]

It wasn't complex at all. If people can't seem to understand that the dude was badly injured and it affected his fighting then I sincerely have no words for that.

So badly injured that i totally forgot about his injury because he's actively chasing down Rey without his limp at times and swinging his light saber without any impediment.

But all that is forgiven because they showed that one shot of him punching his wound...

 

[Dizzy]

A large minority is significant. If even 25% of people were confused, that's problematic.

Lol, I wouldn't be surprised at all if 25% of the movie going audience couldn't understand Transformers.

That's not indicative of anything.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Open-ended interpretation. I'm not sure if you're being pedantic right now or if my original statement lacked clarity. On a basic level, the plot of a Star Wars movie should be cut and dry and spelled out for the audience. As far as shit like the force and mysticism, that's always up for interpretation, but the core plot progression should be streamlined and make sense even for those with low intelligence and short attention spans.

I will have to look up the meaning of pedantic to make sure we're on the same page.

Meanwhile what I am saying is, this story is a continuation of a long saga and expecting a story to be complete in a single episode when there is so much in question is unrealistic.

Just look at the Hobbit movies - the first 2 both left us with PLENTY of questions.

 

[John Stockton]

Lol, I wouldn't be surprised at all if 25% of the movie going audience couldn't understand Transformers.

That's not indicative of anything.

I completely disagree for reasons I've previously stated.

 

[kingcillo24]

It wasn't complex at all. If people can't seem to understand that the dude was badly injured and it affected his fighting then I sincerely have no words for that.

Chewie was using that bow to wreck guys the whole movie. Stormtoopers were flying when hit. The power of the weapon was constantly showcased throughout the whole film. I would have been mad if the shot did nothing to Ren. I am not quite sure how people think the direct hit was not important to the final battle. Maybe a lot of people missed it because there is a poster above calling Ren...Ken.

 

[Dizzy]

So badly injured that i totally forgot about his injury because he's actively chasing down Rey without his limp at times and swinging his light saber without any impediment.

But all that is forgiven because they showed that one shot of him punching his wound...

A few shots of it, actually. They also showed a pool of blood.

 

[method115]

It might not have been complex, but it was convoluted. Convoluted enough to leave a large minority of the audience scratching their heads. That part of the script needed more work.

Isn't complex and convoluted essentially the same thing? I didn't think there was anything confusing about it. The guy was shot in the gut by a fucking laser. I amazed he was still able to do as well as he was if anything.

 

[Dizzy]

Chewie was using that bow to wreck guys the whole movie. Stormtoopers were flying when hit. The power of the weapon was constantly showcased throughout the whole film. I would have been mad if the shot did nothing to Ren. I am not quite sure how people think the direct hit was not important to the final battle. Maybe a lot of people missed it because there is a poster above calling Ren...Ken.

It's got to be willful ignorance at this point. Several people have explained it over and over again.

 

[BVG]

A few shots of it, actually. They also showed a pool of blood.

Did they show that pool of blood before or after he was leaping and running after Rey?

Lol.

 

[Dizzy]

Did they show that pool of blood before or after he was leaping and running after Rey?

Lol.

He was able to fight but at a decreased level due to being shot. Ren would have likely killed Rae if not for Chewie's bowcaster shot that injured him. And as lots of posters have said, it's hammered home how powerful that weapon is on numerous occasions throughout the film.

How is someone this dense? Lol

 

[D Train]

Still would have preferred him to win and her be saved by the earthquake.

 

[kingcillo24]

Plus this was Ren's first legit lightsaber battle because there no other known lightsaber light side users in the galaxy besides the hermit Luke. There is a difference between training and fight experience. Ren should spar more often and get a better training camp. It is like how highly decorated Sage Northcutt got ko'ed in his amateur debut against some scrub. A punch turns a black belt into a white belt or a direct hit from Chewie's bow turns a Sith into a bitch.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Did they show that pool of blood before or after he was leaping and running after Rey?

Lol.

We get it. Take a break, breathe into a paper bag and go sit down somewhere so we can all discuss other things.

The next film may give some answers in explaining that fight scene.

 

[John Stockton]

I will have to look up the meaning of pedantic to make sure we're on the same page.

Meanwhile what I am saying is, this story is a continuation of a long saga and expecting a story to be complete in a single episode when there is so much in question is unrealistic.

Just look at the Hobbit movies - the first 2 both left us with PLENTY of questions.

And so did this one. Good questions like who are Rey's parents? Luke? A New Hope did the same thing. Will Luke become a Jedi? Will the rebels overcome the empire? etc... However, that movie is so beautifully streamlined that the audience always has a firm grasp of exactly what's going on and why it happened. Luke blowing up the Death Star is justified by his relationship and limited training with Obi-Wan and the fact that he was already a great pilot. Not to mention, Han blasts his major obstacle out of the fight. By comparison, Rey had no training, had never wielded a lightsaber, and was using Jedi tricks that Luke couldn't even do until after his training with Yoda. This lacks internal consistency and is confusing for a lot of viewers unlike the climax of ANH. I think the other major script fail of this movie was that the entire political dynamic between the Resistance, Republic, and the First Order wasn't so easy to process. By comparison, we knew the stakes within the 1st 10 minutes of ANH: The empire are bad mofos with a giant laser, the rebels are the good guys, that's it. Quick, to-the-point, easy-to-understand, and therefore more effective.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

Still would have preferred him to win and her be saved by the earthquake.

That would be terrible. The ultimate deus ex machina. If that happens that would put this movie at undeniably prequel level.

EDIT* I mean the earthquake part. Rey beating Kylo is really stupid too, I agree.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

The Finn character is very uninspiring.

Thank God Rey actually comes off like someone you should give a shit about.