Star Wars Megathread

[Myrddin Wild]

No I did read that entire post, not the second one but again as I said your basically making a case built on that same argument again and again and a response to it would be by repeating that again and again. Thats very different to you looking to focus from a single semantic argument from one of my posts, keeping up with the semantic argument even when clarified and ignoring everything else. Its the same with Luke's motivation, as I'd said before that post its not the ideas your raising I'm always disagreeing with but how effectively they are gotten across on screen.

There does seem to be a pattern in extreme defense of the prequels and the sequels that ultimately people end up belittling the originals. In ROTJ I think you clearly see that the pressure on Luke builds across the scenes with Vader and the Emperor, on Endor and then in the throne room you see Luke's ability to keep his anger and fear in check is repeatedly tested, Hamil gets a good 20 mins here to sell this. At the point he finally breaks you have him hiding under the platform in the dark clearly very disturbed before Leia is mentioned, if we'd simply gone from the cool Luke on Endor to "noooo!" screaming angry Luke when Leia is mentioned it wouldnt have been nearly as believeble. Those scene for me are actually the single greatest thing(even if ROTJ as a whole maybe is quite as good as ANH and ESB) associated with Starwars in how effectively they carry out this story.

You can put something down in words but that doesnt mean its been sold effectively on screen, Luke can say "this tested me more than even the confrontation on the death star" but that doesnt mean its been sold effectively as such. I think the problem the film really has is that like Force Awakens is dramatically confused as to its intension, it introduces new lead characters but struggles to make these characters dramatically interesting and instead has a tendency to return to the original characters as the dramatic center of the films whilst not giving them enough focus to do anything but replay stories from the originals which needs them to regress in terms of wisdom and morals, so Han needs to become ANH Han again.

The whole situation with Luke considering killing Ben in his sleep is a product of that for me, its basically reducing the plot to something which can be covered in a very short flashback but in doing this it diminishes its ability to build Luke's motivation and creates an incredably morally dubious situation out of character for him. To have a situation with a failure more in character with the Luke we see at the end of ROTJ would have needed more screen time and effort plus more respect for the character.

I do think Johnson was rather dropped in it in this reguard by Abrams who basically used Luke as a mcguffin AND took the big dramatic reveal of his return for his own film(what I suspect the light saber throw was about, didn't personally have an issue with that) whilst leaving the character and motivation a mystery. The whole resistance plot really is just a big load of nothing at that point, unlike ESB were Han and Leia are well built characters I don't think Finn and Poe carry much interest at all. Again I think hiring Abrams and TFA is really the core of were the ST went wrong, as with Trek it just took time for the issues to become a bit more obvious and pure nostalgia to wear off.

Again there was a fundamental choice at the start for me to either puit effort into a respectful relaucnhing of SW or to go with a cheap cash in and Disney chose the latter with Abrams, this probably ranks as the single worst choice made in Hollywood over the last 20+ years for me if your talking about economics and negative viewer reaction. The DC EU is arguably a bigger train wreck overall but I'm not sure you can put that down to a single decision as much.

Sorry, If you're not wililng to read my whole reply to you then I'm not wasting my time reading yours.

 

[EvilDDS]

Forgot to field your question at the end.

The new series is still in the making but so far I'm loving it. It's different art & pacing, but I got so immersed into the story I didn't notice the difference. Some unexpected twists... & I'm absolutely at the edge of my seat waiting for fooking ep 10 to drop.

Spoiler

Issue #10 for Vader comic will be out next Wednesday

If you’re absolutely jonesin’ for a taste, this link has a sneak preview of the issue

https://www.starwars.com/news/marvel-darth-vader-10-exclusive-preview

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Ok then...

I didn't say "the movie was reverse adaptation." I said that the situation of making a movie off of a book is the reverse of making a book off of a movie. Also, I'm not implying a success guarantee. I'm simply implying the advantage of having the story hashed out by critics before you even started on the movie. You obviously understand this.

That's a point that KK has made... that it's much easier to make a movie that has been previously released as a book. It gives you an advantage with the story having been hashed out on social media & critics. IMHO KK has probably been involved in the creation of enough movies to negate your opinion that this pov is "not well thought out."

On the real... why would you not take advantage of the novel being released after the movie to answer to people's critiques. It makes no sense to do otherwise.

This ultimately implying the same thing again isnt it? suggesting I need to read the novel to understand the film.

Again I would argue these kinds of tactics are not likely to help in making good cinema. Basically if a novel ends up being a "patch" of a film it encourages the film itself to be released in an inferior form which is IMHO the biggest flaw of the sequels as a whole, there scripts feel like they've been rushed out.

At its worst I think the novels become basically a marketing tool, something to mine for arguements to support the films online. Honestly I think that again has been a problem Starwars has suffered from from the prequels onwards, I think you have a part of the fanbase being willing to defend absolutely anything(besides the christmas special) released under the brand which is easy to fall back on rather than facing criticism.

It's a psychological reality that we have the ability to rock up & negate our personal shortcomings in our lives when needed... but those under-lying tenancies don't just disappear. They're very capable of re-surfacing under less intense need. Think of how middle aged people commonly look around & say "fook... I became my parents." It's that kind of thing. What is at our base can always re-surface no matter how hot we run in the intermittent. That's real. I don't know how old you are, but if you haven't seen that play out in reality for others or even yourself, then hang in there, you'll see it, because this is very common.

Also I'd point out the paradox of you saying that they were disrespectful of the source material when it's the writer of the source material himself who wrote this version of Luke. The Luke we're given is one who did in fact digress back to his original tendencies just like so many of us "regular folk" do. I think that's the biggest issue with "Not my Luke" is that the inner child wanted that super hero. I mean they got it... but it came after Luke dealt with some baggage.

My pov is contrary to yours & that's okay. I see "Not my Luke" as a realistic extension of the character. They're showing the human side of Luke. It doesn't seem disrespectful at all to show that he has problems like we all do... & then they use that platform to show us how he worked out his issues with a few bits of wisdom from Grogu's dad... & then he came out the other side rocking up to save the rebels at the expense of his own life. Quite heroic in the end yeah?

This all again comes down to my point that you can come up twith these arguements but are they actually represented on screen? what we see is a quick flashback and some narration, we do not IMHO see anything like enough to explain why Luke is acting in such a different fashion to the OT. The end result to me seems to be one person judging a film on its own merits and another judging it a narrative they've built up for themselves around it.

Again I think Johnsons problem is that he's looking to revert Luke to the kind of more simplistic heroism of ANH when in reality the franchise has already addressed that, its forced Luke to make complex moral decisions about Vader and its forced him to deal with failure. What was really needed if Luke was going to be the dramatic center of the film was more time spent on building actual faults, showing for example that middle aged Luke might have become more hubristic or that his thinking was still too focused on dark/light philosophy looking to simply suppress negative emotions.

There a response with quotes but really just trying to make varied arguements to the same points as before.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Those earlier set pictures were indeed for the Cassian Andor show.

 

[FyrFytr998]

Those earlier set pictures were indeed for the Cassian Andor show.

Shooting in "The Volume" is certainly gonna make putting out content easier. I was very pleased to hear Disney is building three more of them. I can only imagine they are gonna make them bigger and better as the technology upgrades, which also helps lessen the environmental impact sets can cause. I wouldn't mind at all if the number of these sets increases even more so Marvel can get in on the fun.

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/lucasfilm-announces-three-more-stagecraft-studios/

 

[EvilDDS]

Those earlier set pictures were indeed for the Cassian Andor show.

That first time he says “Hello there”, we, the sherdog collective will be like this

 

[FyrFytr998]

 

[Bob Gray]

Oh fuck yeah... you really really get a feel for Vader & what a no nonsense bad ass he is. Also the Sith in general. Sid's like "yeah, I sent them to kill you, but don't hold that against me... if you hadn't survived then you weren't worthy of being my apprentice." lol... or something like that. Actually I think I've got a cut out from one of the comics. Hold on.

What a fooking job. Vader's just like that though. He givez zero fucks. When everyone else is saying retreat... he's saying why. lol...

OOH... hold on I got another one.

Vader's surrounded by a whole fooking army & the big picture for him looks so bleak. They holler, "We have you surrounded... surrender now." What does fooking Vader say?

I think it's some of the best SW comics as a whole. It was nice being able to just focus on Vader.

Loved the co-star of the series Dr. Aphra too.

The main Star Wars series that pre-dated that Vader series happens at the exact same timeline, & you can see where there's some gaps in the story of both series... where you wonder why they left such a big gap open in the story, & then when you read the other it's like "oh, yeah... they just told that story over there." So the 2 series' work together & criss cross their paths. It's pretty fascinating to experience.

I'd be curious to know if someone worked out an "ideal timeline" between the 2, & to review them in that order. I don't know if I'm that invested to work out a timeline myself, but if one existed already, I'd probably fooking take the dive & re-read it all.
@EvilDDS @One MMA Fan do you cats know if such a timeline exists for these 2 comic series?

Yeah, the Vader Down arc is pretty epic. One of my favorite little moments is when Vader is telling the queen of whatever planet that it's in her best interest to join the empire, she's reluctant and he gives her a "gift". Which she opens and it's a piece of debris from the remains of Alderaan.

Ohhhhhhh, snap

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Shooting in "The Volume" is certainly gonna make putting out content easier. I was very pleased to hear Disney is building three more of them. I can only imagine they are gonna make them bigger and better as the technology upgrades, which also helps lessen the environmental impact sets can cause. I wouldn't mind at all if the number of these sets increases even more so Marvel can get in on the fun.

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/lucasfilm-announces-three-more-stagecraft-studios/

I was thinking the same thign recently that all these different series(especially in the post ROTJ era of Mando) seem like they offer a lot of potential for re using sets/props that could mean getting considerably more bang for your buck.

You could argue we've already seen a bit of the benefit of that with the Mandorian in that Slave 1 got a very swanky interior design which I'd imagine is going to be heavily reused in the Boba series.

Could work within the scale of these series as well were you would imagine the plot is naturally going to become rather more grand with time and more demanding of larger sets/props and more design work generally.

 

[FyrFytr998]

Pretty spot on...

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Question: Is there any background for how Boba got the huge dent in the forehead area of his armor?

To my knowledge there has been no explanation. At one SW's celebration, they showed an unfinished clip of Cad Bane shooting Boba & that was the explanation, but it was left on the cutting room floor & so never made it into Canon.

Given that Mando gets shot regularly without a scratch I can imagine someone in the know told them that doesn't work on beskar.

the explanation just got harder now that they showed Ahsoka holding her saber against Mando's arm for a good second or 2 without a scratch & the dark saber being held against the beskar spear for a good 4 seconds & doing nothing but get red hot without warping or showing any scratches (The Mandalorian season 2 finale)

So it's gonna be real tricky now to describe how Boba got what appears to be a bullet hole in his dome. Perhaps they retcon it to show that it's not 100% pure or something. I'm not sure how they're going to handle it... but it for sure can't be a blaster shot.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Issue #10 for Vader comic will be out next Wednesday

If you’re absolutely jonesin’ for a taste, this link has a sneak preview of the issue

https://www.starwars.com/news/marvel-darth-vader-10-exclusive-preview

OMG, I can't wait!!!

 

[EvilDDS]

To my knowledge there has been no explanation. At one SW's celebration, they showed an unfinished clip of Hondo shooting Boba & that was the explanation, but it was left on the cutting room floor & so never made it into Canon.

Given that Mando gets shot regularly without a scratch I can imagine someone in the know told them that doesn't work on beskar.

the explanation just got harder now that they showed Ahsoka holding her saber against Mando's arm for a good second or 2 without a scratch & the dark saber being held against the beskar spear for a good 4 seconds & doing nothing but get red hot without warping or showing any scratches (The Mandalorian season 2 finale)

So it's gonna be real tricky now to describe how Boba got what appears to be a bullet hole in his dome. Perhaps they retcon it to show that it's not 100% pure or something. I'm not sure how they're going to handle it... but it for sure can't be a blaster shot.

‘Twas a shootout with Cad Bane in that unfinished clip, but I knew what you meant

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Hey guys. I've got 2 kids, ages 5 and almost 7. They are expressing some interest in the Star Wars franchise. I'm a very casual fan who has probably seen 6(?) of the movies, although my strongest memories are of the originally released 3 films. I'm aware there are some shows, too. Where would y'all recommend introducing youngsters to the franchise? I'll probably hit the reset button on my own viewership and (re)start the journey with them.

Wassap my shoop brotheh~
First thing I'd personally recommend no matter what order you choose is to put Rogue One right before A New Hope (the original 1st movie) Rogue one ends with a very small gap between where Ep. 4 begins.

Ep 1 - 3 are kind of a mental political journey... & so might be a bit much to start off kids of that age with. The OT as great as it is with characters & introducing the force to us n stuff like that has a relatively simple plot of "big bad chasing good guys & good guys trying to take out the bigger force with ghorilla war fare." So maybe it's best to start off with that.

That said, there's a kids cartoon that pre-dates Rogue One & the OT called "Star Wars Rebels" & that might be the best introduction for kids that age.

So I'm tentatively recommending this order

1. Rebels cartoon
2. Rogue One
3. OT (Ep's 4 - 6)
4. Ep 1
5. Ep 2
6. Clone wars cartoon
   
7. Ep. 3
8. Solo
   
9. Star Wars Resistance (Cartoon)
10. Sequel Trilogy.

You could throw Mando in there before the Resistance cartoon, but since that's an ongoing story, maybe keep them busy with these things & give the rest of the Mando story a chance to unfold. Perfectly fine if you want to throw Mando in there, but so far it's more of just a side story than anything that contributes to the main plot line.

you could even skip the Resistance Cartoon, as it's mostly a side story... but it's made for kids & I think they'd enjoy it.

 

[AleYeah]

Wassap my shoop brotheh~
First thing I'd personally recommend no matter what order you choose is to put Rogue One right before A New Hope (the original 1st movie) Rogue one ends with a very small gap between where Ep. 4 begins.

Ep 1 - 3 are kind of a mental political journey... & so might be a bit much to start off kids of that age with. The OT as great as it is with characters & introducing the force to us n stuff like that has a relatively simple plot of "big bad chasing good guys & good guys trying to take out the bigger force with ghorilla war fare." So maybe it's best to start off with that.

That said, there's a kids cartoon that pre-dates Rogue One & the OT called "Star Wars Rebels" & that might be the best introduction for kids that age.

So I'm tentatively recommending this order

1. Rebels cartoon
2. Rogue One
3. OT (Ep's 4 - 6)
4. Ep 1
5. Ep 2
6. Clone wars cartoon
   
7. Ep. 3
8. Solo
   
9. Star Wars Resistance (Cartoon)
10. Sequel Trilogy.

You could throw Mando in there before the Resistance cartoon, but since that's an ongoing story, maybe keep them busy with these things & give the rest of the Mando story a chance to unfold. Perfectly fine if you want to throw Mando in there, but so far it's more of just a side story than anything that contributes to the main plot line.

you could even skip the Resistance Cartoon, as it's mostly a side story... but it's made for kids & I think they'd enjoy it.

Much appreciated, mate!

 

[Deleted member 110072]

First thing I'd personally recommend no matter what order you choose is to put Rogue One right before A New Hope (the original 1st movie) Rogue one ends with a very small gap between where Ep. 4 begins..

It would probably work but I do think even Rogue One does play on pre awareness of characters like Tarkin/Vader and concepts like the Empire/Force/Rebels/etc being known about.

I'd just start with the OT myself as they were films designed for the audience to come in cold and ANH is a very good middle ground in terms of fun and having some dramatic depth to it. Starting with the droids I think makes it quite child friendly as well.

 

[toaa]

Just watched Episodes 1-9 with my girlfriend again and I have to say my hatred for the Sequels has cooled to a degree. I look at them more as a giant missed opportunity now, with a lot of cool pieces that never really quite fit or work right. TLJ is by far my least favorite and I still really dislike the Luke storyline, but I think my biggest problem with it at this point is that it's just so boring. I was actually pleasantly surprised with TROS, the pacing was insane and the whole Palpatine resurrection was dumb, but the film was entertaining and I thought most of the characters were much improved from TLJ.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

It would probably work but I do think even Rogue One does play on pre awareness of characters like Tarkin/Vader and concepts like the Empire/Force/Rebels/etc being known about.

Hmm... that's a good point, but most of that stuff is covered if you start it with Rebels. They pretty much take Ezra from nothing & build the whole mythology up around him & so maybe that's enough. Tarkin was in Rebels... & has way more dialog & an introduction than the OT actually.



They also got Vader in there too. Might be a bit of a spoiler with maul's parts, but at least they'll know when Maul goes flying down the shaft in 2 pieces that he survives.

 

[EvilDDS]

I’ve been tackling Claudia Gray’s High Republic book, Into the Dark

It’s pretty good.

Charles Soule has the main story line, and the Claudia book is an off-shoot, or a side story of the main story line

 

[EvilDDS]

And Cal Kestis getting a Black Series figure, not sure if already posted

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/comicbo...-order-cal-kestis-black-series-action-figure/