Social Spying on Trump confirmed: Operation Crossfire Hurricane ***UPDATE: Comey Admits, "I Was Wrong" ***

I'm watching Lindsey Graham on fox right now, he's laying out the entire conspiracy.

We are going to be in for some swamp draining over the next year.

Lots of lefties on this forum will be rubbing their own shit on their faces lol.
 
b34stmode said:
An FBI lawyer DOCTORED EMAILS between them and the CIA to make it look as though Page wasn't a CIA asset when he was. You don't think that isn't a problem?
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Why would protecting him as a CIA asset change the information provided by the courts or invalidate the investigation?

I'm not saying it's not a problem and shouldn't be investigated for legality, but I don't see how that affects anything related to granting the warrants.
 
Confucamus said:
So you don't understand the issue with Political party A putting a spy into the Presidential campaign of a candidate who belongs to Political party B and not informing that candidate? You're serious?
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If you're talking about the FBI or the CIA, since when are they a political party? Those are government institutions. Yes, everyone in the world has opinions and personal biases, but just because the FBI or CIA does something when a certain party is in power doesn't mean that that party is responsible. The alphabet agencies are supposed to act in an apolitical manner as best as possible.
 
jgarner said:
Why would protecting him as a CIA asset change the information provided by the courts or invalidate the investigation?

I'm not saying it's not a problem and shouldn't be investigated for legality, but I don't see how that affects anything related to granting the warrants.
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You dont see the conflict of stating page is colluding with Russians, when in all reality he could be referring any information he gets to the CIA working for an american institution. And then not telling the FISA courts about him being a CIA asset when getting a warrant to spy on him....?
 
jgarner said:
Why would protecting him as a CIA asset change the information provided by the courts or invalidate the investigation?

I'm not saying it's not a problem and shouldn't be investigated for legality, but I don't see how that affects anything related to granting the warrants.
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Because the accusation is/was Carter was a foreign asset. But the FBI was aware he was actually a US asset

It really can not get much worse than this.
 
b34stmode said:
You dont see the conflict of stating page is colluding with Russians, when in all reality he could be referring any information he gets to the CIA working for an american institution. And then not telling the FISA courts about him being a CIA asset when getting a warrant to spy on him....?
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Yea. I'm scratching my head.

How can it be any worse? Lying about a guy helping the US and making him out to be a traitor. Then spying on that patriot just in an attempt to influence or void an election
 
b34stmode said:
You dont see the conflict of stating page is colluding with Russians, when in all reality he could be referring any information he gets to the CIA working for an american institution. And then not telling the FISA courts about him being a CIA asset when getting a warrant to spy on him....?
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There's an issue with that omission, but Page hadn't been operating with the Agency for years by the time those warrants were sought. He stopped working for the CIA as an asset back in 2013 and this wasn't until years later. So I'm sure his past work history is something that should have been included to the courts, but I don't know how that would actually have affected the warrants for his behavior afterwards with the campaign.
 
SBJJ said:
Because the accusation is/was Carter was a foreign asset. But the FBI was aware he was actually a US asset

It really can not get much worse than this.
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The accusation was that he had become a foreign asset. The FBI was aware that years in the past he was a CIA asset, but was no longer an asset. Just a little clarity on that.

I don't think anything should be withheld from the FISA courts, but there's a large distiction between "is an asset" and "was an asset". Also, assets are entirely capable of turning. It's happened countless times in American history.
 
jgarner said:
The accusation was that he had become a foreign asset. The FBI was aware that years in the past he was a CIA asset, but was no longer an asset. Just a little clarity on that.

I don't think anything should be withheld from the FISA courts, but there's a large distiction between "is an asset" and "was an asset". Also, assets are entirely capable of turning. It's happened countless times in American history.
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Source he was no longer considered an asset. I think Carter is on record disputing your assertion

Not that it matters as a past asset would still show where his loyalty was

Again. It really does not get worse than this. No defense is justifiable at all. This was the evil shit you see agencies do in fictional movies. Stab a patriot in the back and ruin their lives
 
jgarner said:
The accusation was that he had become a foreign asset. The FBI was aware that years in the past he was a CIA asset, but was no longer an asset. Just a little clarity on that.

I don't think anything should be withheld from the FISA courts, but there's a large distiction between "is an asset" and "was an asset". Also, assets are entirely capable of turning. It's happened countless times in American history.
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The problem is they intentionally omitted things they should not have, according to Horowitz himself. As far as I can tell he was a current asset to the CIA by the way they are talking.
 
PolishHeadlock2 said:
Lol at it being a joke

Can't really argue with people who are just going to lie and be willfully obtuse
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says the above. then posts irrelevant tweets from the wrong person. hurr durr. of course, horowitz said that. horowitz =/= durham.
 
SBJJ said:
Source he was no longer considered an asset. I think Carter is on record disputing your assertion

Not that it matters as a past asset would still show where his loyalty was

Again. It really does not get worse than this. No defense is justifiable at all. This was the evil shit you see agencies do in fictional movies. Stab a patriot in the back and ruin their lives
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This appears to be right inside of the IG report itself...


“This representation, however, was contrary to information that the other agency had provided to the FBI in August 2016, which stated that Page was approved as an ‘operational contact’ of the other agency from 2008 to 2013 (after Page had left Moscow),” the IG report stated.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/fbi-didnt-tell-surveillance-court-carter-page-was-‘operational-contact’-cia-‘positive

Again, being an asset for the Agency doesn't mean much on its own without the other information that led them to believe he was turned. Aldrich Ames, Robert Hassen were all double agents who were convicted for espionage against the United States while working for state agencies. All of them were arrested and convicted in the last twenty years.

Also being an asset is a rather vague description of a number of things he could have done for the agency, none which mean he has any particular loyalty to the United States.

And fucking please it does get worse than this. It's not damning evidence of a conspiracy in any way. It's just something that should be investigated and if necessary, criminal charges brought forward.

b34stmode said:
The problem is they intentionally omitted things they should not have, according to Horowitz himself. As far as I can tell he was a current asset to the CIA by the way they are talking.
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As far as I can tell based on my source above, the dispute is the dates he was listed as an asset. They claimed he was an asset years earlier than he was, but the warrant was filed after he was no longer an asset. I definitely have issue with anything intentionally withheld from the courts to obtain a warrant, but I don't see this as some big smoking gun for the entire Russian investigation. This seems at worst to be a minor issue in the scheme of the entire investigation. It's about as significant as dismissing the findings of the Steele dossier only to find out that he was friends with Ivanka Trump for years.
 
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