Social Spying on Trump confirmed: Operation Crossfire Hurricane ***UPDATE: Comey Admits, "I Was Wrong" ***

I wonder if Jim Comey will barricade himself in the house when they come for him. He’s a vain guy. He may try to go out with guns blazing. Either way, his house needs to be searched and he must be arrested.
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haha. You are a stupid clown. A complete joke. The last and only time you 'called me out' for fucking off to Mayberry was after I was posting for 4 straight hours in the WarRoom and took a break away from the computer for other life stuff. I come back and see you raging like an idiot about me running away.

The last refuge of the retard. If you ever leave sherdog they start screaming. LOL.

You are hilarious. You come on here talking about how you have all this proof and you can prove shit that the mueller investigation didn’t and anybody who believes the mueller investigation over you is an idiot....and I’m the joke, just fucking lol. You get clowned here constantly and you’re too stupid to see it.

You’re one of those idiots that thinks everybody else is stupid except you however the common factor in every interaction you have is....you.

You act like some genius and talk about how “you can’t pull this shit on sherdog” and how you don’t “mess around on sherdog” and I’m the joke.

Just fucking lol @ you. If you’re such a genius why are you wasting your time on on a karate forum???

The simple fact of the matter is that you are a moron with a severe case of TDS and you’re just going to have to live with the findings of the mueller report.

If anybody is a joke here it’s you, no 2 was about it. Deal with it bitch.
 
Trumpers keep making the same stupid predictions here, yet none of them have the balls to bet on it. I wonder why?

Because betting is stupid and we don’t trust dishonest liberals to not Welch on their bets.
 
That's a lot different than what you implied.

He's essentially saying he's not sure, and feels the need to look into it. Not that he doesn't believe anything happened, just that he can't make that distinction without looking into it further.

He did say however, that he believes spying occurred, so take that as you will.
Not without proper predication.

The FBI was rightfully concerned about Trump's campaign, and we have ensnared numerous Russian spies from his inner circle, such as those involved with his affiliates in the NRA lobby, and several of his most powerful from that inner circle themselves who were secretly acting on the interests of Russians (or other foreign governments) who were lying about their activities-- men like Manafort and Stone. I should probably Google what you dredge up some of those lame defenses from you guys in service of Roger Stone 3 years ago. He was dealing with Russian intelligence directly in Guccifer 2.0, and lied about it. He interacted with Assange, and lied about it:
https://www.justsecurity.org/45435/timeline-roger-stone-russias-guccifer-2-0-wikileaks/
Timeline

August 2015: In his congressional testimony, Stone claims that his “consulting relationship” with the Trump campaign ended in August 2015. [Note that among other information in the public record, the Special Counsel’s indictment of 12 Russian military officials states that Stone remained “in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump.”]

May 2016: Michael Caputo, senior Trump campaign communications adviser who has had deep business ties to Russia and is described as a protégé of Stone, arranges for Stone to meet in Sunny Isles, Florida with a Russian national, “Henry Greenberg” (a.k.a. Henry Oknyansky) who said he could provide damaging information about Hillary Clinton. Stone told the Washington Post that he met with Greenberg but rejected the man’s proposal because he asked for $2 million. Stone also says that Greenberg did not reveal the information he claimed to possess. Stone told the Post that Greenberg was alone, but Greenberg said he was with a Ukrainian friend who conducted the meeting. “How crazy is the Russian?,” Caputo texted Stone after the meeting.

Note: In their congressional testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, neither Caputo (in July 2017) nor Stone (in Sept. 2017) revealed the meeting to congressional investigators. Caputo testified that he had no contacts with Russians during his time on the campaign. Stone testified that he “never had any communication with any Russians or individuals fronting for Russians, in connection with the 2016 presidential election.” Stone has reportedly not been interviewed by the Special Counsel. The Special Counsel interviewed Caputo in May 2018 and asked him about the Florida meeting during a sometimes-heated questioning session, according to Caputo.

Spring 2016: Sometime in the spring of 2016, Stone reportedly told a confidant that he had contact with Assange earlier that year. Stone’s confidant told the Washington Post that Stone said he learned from Assange that Wikileaks had obtained emails that would torment senior Democrats such as John Podesta. The conversation occurred before any public reports that hackers had obtained emails of the Democratic National Committee, let alone Podesta.

June 12, 2016: The British press reports that Julian Assange said that WikiLeaks had obtained and planned to publish a batch of emails “in relation to Hillary Clinton”

June 14, 2016: Washington Post reports that the Russia government hacked DNC computers

June 15, 2016: Guccifer 2.0 claims responsibility for the hack as “a lone hacker”

July 22, 2016: Shortly before the Democratic National Convention, WikiLeaks releases nearly 20,000 internal DNC emails

July 25, 2016: Stone-associate Charles Ortel emails then Fox News correspondent James Rosen and Fox’s Judge Andrew Napolitano, blind copying Stone, with the subject line: “Fox London needs to meet Assange.” Rosen replies: “”Am told Wikileaks will be doing a massaive dump of HRC emails relating to the CF in September.” Ortel says he forwarded Rosen’s email to Stone.

July 25, 2016: Stone emails Jerome Corsi: “Get to (Assange) [a]t Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending (WikiLeaks) emails.” Corsi passes the request to Ted Malloch.

July 31, 2016: Stone emails Corsi with the subject line, “Call me MON.” The body of the email says that Malloch “should see [Assange].”

August 2, 2016: Corsi emails Stone informing him of the contents and timing of future Wikileaks document releases, including ones involving Podesta and information related to Clinton’s health:

“Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I’m back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging.… Time to let more than [the Clinton Campaign Chairman] to be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC. That appears to be the game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke — neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for Foundation debacle.”

[Note: NBC News reported in late Oct. 2018 that “Mueller’s investigators have reviewed messages to members of the Trump team in which Stone and Corsi seem to take credit for the release of Democratic emails, said a person with direct knowledge of the emails.”]

August 3, 2016: Stone said that he spoke with Trump on August 3.

August 4, 2016: Stone sends an email to Sam Nunberg saying, “I dined with my new pal Julian Assange last nite.” It is unclear whether Stone meant he had an online meeting with Assange, since it appears he did not leave the United States, and Assange remained in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

August 5, 2016: Stone publishes an article in Breitbart claiming Guccifer 2.0 and not Russia hacked the DNC

August 8, 2016: In a video: Stone says he has communicated with Assange:

QUESTIONER: With regard to the October surprise, what would be your forecast on that given what Julian Assange has intimated he’s going to do?
ROGER STONE: Well, it could be any number of things. I actually have communicated with Assange. I believe the next tranche of his documents pertain to the Clinton Foundation but there’s no telling what the October surprise may be.

[Note: Stone would later claim he meant that he was communicating with Assange through “an intermediary.” A spokesperson for Assange issued several denials including, “Wikileaks has had no contact with Roger Stone.” and “No communications, no channel”]

August 12, 2016: Guccifer 2.0 releases Democrats’ records it says were taken from a breach of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC)

August 12, 2016: @GUCCIFER_2 tweets at Stone: “thanks that u believe in the real #Guccifer2″

August 13, 2016: Stone tweets at @wikileaks @GUCCIFER_2 that it is “Outrageous” that Twitter has suspended Guccifer’s account.

August 13, 2016: Stone tweets that Guccifer is a “HERO”

August 14-September 9, 2016: Stone communicates privately with Guccifer 2.0 using Twitter’s Direct Messages. (Only after a news outlet revealed the existence of these communications in March 2017, Stone publishes the exchange. Stone says this is the entirety of his communication with Guccifer, but the exchange ends abruptly, and there is no way of telling if the two did not continue through other Twitter accounts or other platforms.)

[Note: Stone does not notify law enforcement authorities.]

August 15, 2016: In one Direct Message exchange, Guccifer 2.0 asks Stone: “do you find anything interesting in the docs i posted?”

August 17, 2016: Donald Trump is briefed by US intelligence agencies that Russia is implicated in the DNC hack (h/t: @RVAwonk)

August 17, 2016: In one Direct Message exchange, Guccifer 2.0 says to Stone. “please tell me if i can help u anyhow. it would be a great pleasure to me.”

August 19, 2016: Paul Manafort formally resigns from the Trump campaign following a New York Times report on his receiving secret cash payments from Ukrainian political groups.

August 21, 2016: Stone tweets: “Trust me, it will soon the Podesta’s time in the barrel. #CrookedHillary”

[Note: In an interview on October 19, Stone would later claim he had meant only that his tweet was not about Podesta’s emails but about business dealings, which he did not learn about from Wikileaks. Think Progress has a helpful analysis of why “Stone’s alibi falls apart.” See also the entry for Aug. 30, 2016 involving the Corsi “cover story.”]

August 22, 2016: Guccifer 2.0 sends to Florida GOP operative Aaron Nevins 2.5 gigabytes of data from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Nevins posts some of that data on his anonymous Florida politics blog.

Late August: Guccifer 2.0 may have thought/been aware that the FBI was monitoring his Direct Messages. That is revealed by a separate exchange with The Smoking Gun (TSG) news outlet, which would break the story, in March 2017, about the exchanges. In its March 2017 piece, TSG writes:

In late-August, TSG asked “Guccifer 2.0” about contact with Stone. After wondering, “why r u asking?,” “Guccifer 2.0” then accused TSG of receiving reportorial guidance from federal investigators: “the fbi’s tracing me, reading my dm [direct messages] and giving u hints. no?” When further pressed, “Guccifer 2.0” said, “i won’t comment on my conversations with other ppl.” The self-professed “freedom fighter” added, “why r u so interested in stone? he’s just a person who wrote a story about me. or i don’t know some important stuff?”]

August 30, 2016: Stone calls Corsi, nine days after the tweet referring to Podesta—and asks Corsi for help in creating an “alternative explanation” for the tweet after the fact, according to an interview Corsi gave to the Wall Street Journal in Nov. 2018). Corsi also told the Journal, “What I construct, and what I testified to the grand jury, was I believed I was creating a cover story for Roger, because Roger wanted to explain this tweet … the special counsel knew this. They can virtually tell my keystrokes on that computer.”

September 9, 2016: After asking Stone what Guccifer 2.0 can do to help, Guccifer 2.0 sends Stone a link to Nevins’ page containing DCCC’s turnout data and asks what Stone thinks. Stone replies, “Pretty Standard.”

[Note: If that type of information being disclosed is not pretty standard, then Stone’s reply is incriminating. Analysis by Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo suggests it was not pretty standard. The Direct Message exchange between Stone and Guccifer then ends abruptly.]

On Sept. 18, 2016, Stone emailed Randy Credico, a New York radio personality who had interviewed Assange, with a specific document request, “Please ask Assange for any State or HRC e-mail from August 10 to August 30–particularly on August 20, 2011.” Credico initially replied that the information would be on Wikileaks website if it existed. Stone responded, “Why do we assume WikiLeaks has released everything they have???” Credico then asked for a “little bit of time,” and wrote a few hours later, “That batch probably coming out in the next drop…I can’t ask them favors every other day. I asked one of his lawyers.” Credico was presumably referring to prior requests to Wikileaks. Credico would later say that he never passed on the request to Assange or his lawyers, but got weary of Stone “bothering” him.

October 2, 2016 (Sunday): Stone says on Alex Jones’ show: “An intermediary met with him [Assange] in London recently who is a friend of mine and a friend of his, a believer in freedom. I am assured that the mother lode is coming Wednesday. It wouldn’t be an October surprise if I told you what it was but I have reason to believe that it is devastating because people with political judgment who are aware of the subject matter tell me this.”

October 2, 2016 (Sunday): Stone tweets: “Wednesday @HillaryClinton is done. #Wikileaks.”

October 3, 2016: Stone tweets: “I have total confidence that @wikileaks and my hero Julian Assange will educate the American people soon. #LockHerUp”

October 3-4, 2016: A series of emails, obtained by the New York Times, show that Stone held himself out to members of the Trump campaign as a conduit to Wikileaks, and suggested he knew of Assange’s plans and reasons for making decisions about timing. Documents include emails directly between Stone and Stephen Bannon, campaign chairman at the time. In an email from Matthew Boyle, Washington editor of Breitbart News and Bannon, Boyle wrote, “Well clearly he knows what Assange has.”

October 5, 2016 (Wednesday): Stone tweets: “Libs thinking Assange will stand down are wishful thinking. Payload coming #Lockthemup”

October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks’ publication of Podesta’s emails began two hours after the “Access Hollywood” story is published by the Washington Post.

[Note: The Washington Post may have given the Trump team some advance warning by seeking comment before publishing. The Post’s story states that the paper sought comment from NBC beforehand.]

October 12, 2016: The Daily caller reports, “Stone told TheDC that the release was actually delayed by Assange. ‘I was led to believe that there would be a major release on a previous Wednesday,’ Stone said.”

[Note-1: Examining this part of the Daily Caller’s interview with Stone, former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti explains, “Stone has effectively admitted in an interview that his statements in October saying something significant was about to drop were, indeed, references to the Podesta emails.”]

[Note-2: As Mariotti also mentions, Stone has repeatedly said that he had “no advance notice about the hacking of Mr. Podesta.” Stone uses essentially that exact same phrase each time (Stone’s blog, Breitbart interview, Reddit Ask Me Anything, local Florida television). What Stone does not say is whether he had no advance notice about the release of Podesta’s hacked emails.]

October 13, 2016: Wikileaks issues a statement denying any communications with Stone. The same day, Stone sends a private message over Twitter to Wikileaks saying, “Since I was all over national TV, cable and print defending wikileaks and assange against the claim that you are Russian agents … you may want to rexamine[sic] the strategy of attacking me.” Wikileaks replies, “the false claims of association are being used by the democrats to undermine the impact of our publications. Don’t go there if you don’t want us to correct you,” to which Stone responds, “The more you ‘correct’ me the more people think you are lying.”

Post-election:

November 9, 2016: Wikileaks sends a private message to Stone on Twitter: “Happy? We are now more free to communicate.”

March 4, 2017: Stone tweets that he “had a “perfectly legal back channel to Assange.”

March 8, 2017: The Smoking Gun publishes a piece titled revealing Stone’s private communications with Guccifer 2.0. The Smoking Gun reports that Stone first said he did not recall these exchanges, and Stone said the entire exchange was public:

“Asked if he had exchanged private Twitter direct messages with ‘Guccifer 2.0,’ Stone said in a text, ‘don’t recall.’ … Stone said he thought his “entire communication” with “Guccifer 2.0” “was on twitter for the world to see.” The “brief exchange was public,” Stone contended.

March 10, 2017: Following The Smoking Gun revelations, the Washington Times interviews Stone about his Direct Message private communications with Guccifer 2.0. Stone says the conversations were “completely innocuous,” and “t was so perfunctory, brief and banal I had forgotten it.”

[Note: it is not credible that this exchange was “banal” and that he had “forgotten” about it, in part, due to Stone’s own Breitbart article preceding the exchange, in which he obviously recognized the importance of Guccifer 2.0.]

March 10, 2017: Only after The Smoking Gun breaks the story about his private Direct Messages with Guccifer 2.0, Stone publishes a statement on his website including the same representations he made to Washington Times, and publishes what he says is the complete exchange with Guccifer 2.0

September 25, 2017: Stone testifies before the House Intelligence Committee. On or following that date, Stone also subsequently amends his congressional testimony three different times reportedly having to do with “his contacts with Russian nationals, the extent of his interactions with WikiLeaks, and his conversations with Trump-campaign officials.”

November 28, 2017: Stone learns that the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed Credico, after Stone had told he Committee that Credico was his “source” or “intermediary” for communications with Wikileaks.

November 30, 2017: Stone asks Corsi to write publicly about Credico, and tells Corsi that Credico “will take the 5th,” according to the special counsel’s draft Statement of Offence for Corsi.

January 6, 2018: Stone texts Credico saying he is “working with others to get JA [Julian Assange] a blanket pardon. … It’s very real and very possible.”

The "muh deep state" conspiracy theories are a gas. The FBI had ample reason to use FISA to keep an eye on the Russian agents circling his campaign. These were always the target, and we've known that for years.
 
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There are a lot of people with dirty hands. All it takes is one “overt act” though, and liability attaches for the whole conspiracy.
LMFAO, my favorite part of this r/The_Donald conspiracy jpeg is the blurb about Manafort:

"Manafort was indicted in 2017 for Foreign Agent Registration Act violations."
 
You are a joke. You are a pussy and a joke. You are laughable.

Cry more.

Nope, the joke and the pussy here is you and we both know that you aren’t laughing, you are actually raging while I laugh.

Tell us more about how you have facts and proof that the mueller investigation missed lol. It must be tough when you banked on that investigation for 2 years only to get dicked in the end.

You brain dead lying liberals are hilarious.
 
Nope, the joke and the pussy here is you and we both know that you aren’t laughing, you are actually raging while I laugh.

Tell us more about how you have facts and proof that the mueller investigation missed lol. It must be tough when you banked on that investigation for 2 years only to get dicked in the end.

You brain dead lying liberals are hilarious.
heh.I have to take 2 hours away from the computer. So start raging now and calling me names for not replying as if everyone has to be on sherdog 24/7.

lol, so stupid...

:rustled:
 
LMFAO, my favorite part of this r/The_Donald conspiracy jpeg is the blurb about Manafort:

"Manafort was indicted in 2017 for Foreign Agent Registration Act violations."

It’s over Mick. It all came tumbling down.
 
heh.I have to take 2 hours away from the computer. So start raging now and calling me names for not replying as if everyone has to be on sherdog 24/7.

lol, so stupid...

:rustled:

Huh??? What are you even talking about lol??? I don’t care how much time you take away from the computer.

In fact I wish you’d take a permanent break (or at least refrain until your TDS clears up). Nobody will miss you.
 
Oh it’s a little late for that deal. How about if they all plea, they each get a base of 40 years with a chance for parole after 20. Give a few low level participants 3 years if they agree to testify against the higher ups. People with more active roles, such as Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clapper, Brennan and Obama will get 60 with parole after 40. If they don’t want the deal, try them all in a red state and give ‘em LWOP.
Agreed.
They had 2 years to come clean.
They had 2 years to make a deal.

At any point they could have stopped this nonsensical bullshit, but they chose to make war and escalate the situation to the most serious circumstances possible. It was their choice.

They insisted on taking this to the bitter end.
What they did is so unbelievably criminal and evil, that they will be lucky if the best deal they get is life in prison.

But they know that they're covering up for far worse crimes and there will be no mercy on them when the real heinous shit comes out. So they never had a choice but to resist trump at all cost
 
If i can get a senior intelligence official, current or retired, saying on some talking head show that Kiliminich was known to be a Russian asset are you going to accept that as proof and admit you were wrong

First of all, I didn't take a position either way. So how can I be wrong? I just asked you to justify your accusation that another man is a spy.

Second, I would be surprised if you can find an actual senior intelligence official who worked on the case stating with confidence that Kilimnik is a Kremlin intelligence agent.
 
Not without proper predication.

The FBI was rightfully concerned about Trump's campaign, and we have ensnared numerous Russian spies from his inner circle, such as those involved with his affiliates in the NRA lobby, and several of his most powerful from that inner circle themselves who were secretly acting on the interests of Russians (or other foreign governments) who were lying about their activities-- men like Manafort and Stone. I should probably Google what you dredge up some of those lame defenses from you guys in service of Roger Stone 3 years ago. He was dealing with Russian intelligence directly in Guccifer 2.0, and lied about it. He interacted with Assange, and lied about it:
https://www.justsecurity.org/45435/timeline-roger-stone-russias-guccifer-2-0-wikileaks/

The "muh deep state" conspiracy theories are a gas. The FBI had ample reason to use FISA to keep an eye on the Russian agents circling his campaign. These were always the target, and we've known that for years.
This narrative that the investigation was not warranted fails on every level.

its one of the worst lies Trumpsters have to eat and regurgitate to show their undying allegiance to Dear Leader and the one that outs them as total dupes and shills when they do.

There is no universe based on what you point out above and what I have pointed out prior ...

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Put Trump and Russia aside for a minute.

In any instance:

- if a foreign adversarial gov't (N.Korea, Iran, China, Russia) is suspected and then found to be infiltrating and impacting an election...

- if a Candidate or Party is the target being helped or hurt by said infiltration

- if the Candidate or Party or those around him are found to be lying at every instance about contacts and relationships with said gov't


Any one of the three, let alone all three, should be investigated.
 
DEVIN NUNES NOTIFIES DOJ OF CRIMINAL REFERRALS IN LEAK, CONSPIRACY PROBE


California Rep. Devin Nunes notified Attorney General William Barr of eight “potential violations of law” that he says Republicans uncovered during the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation.

In a letter to sent Thursday, Nunes offered to brief Barr on the referrals along with Texas Rep. John Ratcliffe, a Republican on the House Intelligence panel.

“As part of that investigation, Committee Republicans identified several potential violations of law,” reads the letter from Nunes, the top Republican on House Intelligence.

The letter provides no details about who is being referred for investigation. But Nunes has indicated that five individuals will be referred for investigation, while some of the referrals will describe evidence of possible crimes within specifying who committed them.

Fox News first reported the letter.

Nunes said Sunday he would submit referrals for alleged leaks of classified information, “intelligence manipulation” and lying to Congress.

“We believe there is a conspiracy to lie to the FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] court, mislead the FISA court, by numerous individuals that all need to be investigated and looked at,” Nunes said Sunday on Fox News.

Nunes and other House Republicans have investigated whether the FBI misled the FISA court in applications to spy on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. The FBI relied heavily on the Steele dossier in the FISA applications, even though the report’s allegations had not been verified. Former British spy Christopher Steele compiled the dossier while working for the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee.

House Intelligence Republicans have also investigated whether Obama administration officials illegally unmasked the identity of Trump associates in classified intelligence reports.

Barr has showed a willingness to investigate possible malfeasance in the FBI’s handling of the Russia probe.

He told the Senate Appropriations Committee on Wednesday that he plans to form a team to investigate the FBI and other government agencies’ activities leading up to the opening of the investigation. He also said that he believed that the government had spied on the Trump campaign.

“I think spying did occur. Yes, I think spying did occur. But the question is whether it was predicated, adequately predicated,” Barr said. “I’m not suggesting it wasn’t adequately predicated, but I need to explore that.”

A spokesman for Nunes declined to reveal who will be referred to the Justice Department for investigation.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/11/nunes-criminal-referrals-barr-russia/
 
Huh??? What are you even talking about lol??? I don’t care how much time you take away from the computer.

In fact I wish you’d take a permanent break (or at least refrain until your TDS clears up). Nobody will miss you.
lol. I love when you lie to try and not admit to your prior meltdown.

i could quote it but I won't bother. When I returned to my computer after a couple hours away and posted in the Mayberry first you raged in a Mayberry thread about me not replying in the Warroom thread, like the lunatic you are. But ya, you should definitely deny it and try to forget that.
 
lol. I love when you lie to try and not admit to your prior meltdown.

i could quote it but I won't bother. When I returned to my computer after a couple hours away and posted in the Mayberry first you raged in a Mayberry thread about me not replying in the Warroom thread, like the lunatic you are. But ya, you should definitely deny it and try to forget that.

I thought you were taking a 2 hour break??? I guess you’re just too triggered to do that. Also, what did I lie about?

Seems like you’re the one lying about all the proof and evidence you have lol.
 
First of all, I didn't take a position either way. So how can I be wrong? I just asked you to justify your accusation that another man is a spy.

Second, I would be surprised if you can find an actual senior intelligence official who worked on the case stating with confidence that Kilimnik is a Kremlin intelligence agent.
How do you determine their 'confidence'. if they simply say 'it was known amongst many in the agency that Kiliminick was a russian asset' are you going to ask me to provide the proof of how they know that or do you accept that and will you going forward accept that proof was provided and not deny it?
 
if they simply say 'it was known amongst many in the agency that Kiliminick was a russian asset' are you going to ask me to provide the proof of how they know that or do you accept that and will you going forward accept that proof was provided and not deny it?


If a senior intelligence official who worked on the Russia probe uttered that statement on television, I would accept that as evidence. Again, I'm trying to learn here. There is no need to be combative.
 
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