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He has a way of compacting feelings and racism in a way that is refreshing. Say what you mean and hash it out. Talk to people with honesty. We have a lot more in common than not.





Leave you with a scene from an amazing movie. Spike Lee directed it, but Micheal Imperioli wrote it and tried to get it paid for but couldn't. He asked his friend Spike to direct it, as they were friends from way back in NY. Fantastic movie.

 
I think Do The Right Thing is an amazing movie, and I think it's as important a New York movie as anything score Scorcese or whoever have done

Summer Of Sam is a gem that isn't talked about enough
True story I had just moved to LA in the late 80s and went to the movies with my cousin. He went to see some super hero movie and I bought a ticket to "Do The Right Thing". Intense movie experience.
 
My favorite film of his has always been Bamboozled. It's a masterpiece. The final montage is the most powerful thing he's ever done.


Just no, Mad. You posted something that is terribly racist. I posted things that showed both sides of the coin. Was your reply meant to shame me?
 
He has a way of compacting feelings and racism in a way that is refreshing. Say what you mean and hash it out. Talk to people with honesty. We have a lot more in common than not.





Leave you with a scene from an amazing movie. Spike Lee directed it, but Micheal Imperioli wrote it and tried to get it paid for but couldn't. He asked his friend Spike to direct it, as they were friends from way back in NY. Fantastic movie.





SOS is his best film imo. And underrated in general. ‘Clockers’ is good too.


Overall I don’t particularly care for him tho. He’s a narcissistic petty jerkoff who thinks he invented everything about modern film.
 
SOS is his best film imo. And underrated in general. ‘Clockers’ is good too.


Overall I don’t particularly care for him tho. He’s a narcissistic petty jerkoff who thinks he invented everything about modern film.
Fair take. Who are your favorites? John Carpenter is probably my favorite.
 
SOS is his best film imo. And underrated in general. ‘Clockers’ is good too.


Overall I don’t particularly care for him tho. He’s a narcissistic petty jerkoff who thinks he invented everything about modern film.
I couldn't take SOS seriously after the silly dog scene.
 
Im genuinely shocked anyone likes SOS. To each their own, but g'damn that was a talking dog shit movie
 
Just no, Mad. You posted something that is terribly racist. I posted things that showed both sides of the coin. Was your reply meant to shame me?
You think the closing montage of Bamboozled is racist? It's kind of hard to process how thick-skulled that is. It's skewering a racist history within entertainment, specifically of cinema. I'm guessing you've never seen the film.

Your OP doesn't really make it clear that the core idea of the thread is to present "two sides of the coins" ideas. You included a Summer of Sam montage, FFS. Forgive me for mistaking the thread, due to the thread title and the three videos from the OP, to be mainly preoccupied with the work of Spike Lee.

FYI, the final montage of Bamboozled is a rant. It's a rant in montage form. It's seething with scorn. But, at the same time, as Spike Lee talked about on his DVD commentary, and in interviews in the years that followed, it was also about him getting over his anger at black actors who participated in that culture. He said as he'd gotten older, wiser, and began to understand how hard life can be, the decisions it can force a person to make, the more he began to understand why all those actors did what they did. They were surviving.

In that sense, too, the montage also shows two sides of a coin, but not the 'here's a Brooklyn Italian saying racist things about a black guy after a Brooklyn black guy says racist things about an Italian' kind of coin. You can feel it in the music. On the one hand, he doesn't spare his contempt for the white actors and the appalling racism that was accepted so nonchalantly at the times they made those clips. But he also shows the black actors and actresses, and you can feel his sense of subsiding judgement. There is a palpable empathy in the offering of a record of the tragedy. He still sees the oppressor as an other, but he comes to recognize people he previously might have condemned as "collaborators" to be like himself. He realizes they contributed to a culture of endurance, and he appreciates that it thanks to their resilience that he enjoys the greater freedom he has enjoyed as an artist to speak the truth.
 
You think the closing montage of Bamboozled is racist? It's kind of hard to process how thick-skulled that is. It's skewering a racist history within entertainment, specifically of cinema. I'm guessing you've never seen the film.

Your OP doesn't really make it clear that the core idea of the thread is to present "two sides of the coins" ideas. You included a Summer of Sam montage, FFS. Forgive me for mistaking the thread, due to the thread title and the three videos from the OP, to be mainly preoccupied with the work of Spike Lee.

FYI, the final montage of Bamboozled is a rant. It's a rant in montage form. It's seething with scorn. But, at the same time, as Spike Lee talked about on his DVD commentary, and in interviews in the years that followed, it was also about him getting over his anger at black actors who participated in that culture. He said as he'd gotten older, wiser, and began to understand how hard life can be, the decisions it can force a person to make, the more he began to understand why all those actors did what they did. They were surviving.

In that sense, too, the montage also shows two sides of a coin, but not the 'here's a Brooklyn Italian saying racist things about a black guy after a Brooklyn black guy says racist things about an Italian' kind of coin. You can feel it in the music. On the one hand, he doesn't spare his contempt for the white actors and the appalling racism that was accepted so nonchalantly at the times they made those clips. But he also shows the black actors and actresses, and you can feel his sense of subsiding judgement. There is a palpable empathy in the offering of a record of the tragedy. He still sees the oppressor as an other, but he comes to recognize people he previously might have condemned as "collaborators" to be like himself. He realizes they contributed to a culture of endurance, and he appreciates that it thanks to their resilience that he enjoys the greater freedom has has enjoyed as an artist to speak the truth.
I read your whole post. I wasn't trying to be so deep with it. This is a round table right? Aiello at the end throwing Lee balled up money was palpable.

Ossie being a drunk, yet a decent person. Stop with the Chatgpt.
 
I read your whole post. I wasn't trying to be so deep with it. This is a round table right? Aiello at the end throwing Lee balled up money was palpable.

Ossie being a drunk, yet a decent person. Stop with the Chatgpt.
LOL, what? Are you drunk? You straight up accused me of sharing a racist clip. And I sure as hell don't need ChatGPT to write profoundly. I acquired that skill over the course of my life.
 
LOL, what? Are you drunk? You straight up accused me of sharing a racist clip. And I sure as hell don't need ChatGPT to write profoundly. I acquired that skill over the course of my life.
What in the world are you on about? I just shared some movie rants. Nothing too deep. I'm sorry that I thought you tossing back that clip was a jab that I was being racist with my OP.

I'm just tossing out ideas here, brother. I'm a nobody on SD.
 
What in the world are you on about? I just shared some movie rants. Nothing too deep. I'm sorry that I thought you tossing back that clip was a jab that I was being racist with my OP.

I'm just tossing out ideas here, brother. I'm a nobody on SD.
Good grief, you're not coherent right now. I didn't accuse you of racism. You accused me of that.
Just no, Mad. You posted something that is terribly racist. I posted things that showed both sides of the coin. Was your reply meant to shame me?
I protested that accusation. Then I chafed when you implied I used a fucking A.I. to pen my protest.

Sleep it off.
 
Good grief, you're not coherent right now. I didn't accuse you of racism. You accused me of that.

I protested that accusation. Then I chafed when you implied I used a fucking A.I. to pen my protest.

Sleep it off.
Sleep it off yourself. You seem pretty chuffed. I was trying to engage you and you have been hostile. Don't mistake kindness as weakness.
 
I couldn't take SOS seriously after the silly dog scene.
ya, and I don't recall that film getting such good reviews, the dog was cute though. He didn't say that in the real situation.
 
Im genuinely shocked anyone likes SOS. To each their own, but g'damn that was a talking dog shit movie
once again, the dog was innocent, the man said he was schizo and heard the dog talking. Later on Berkowitz tried to claim he was just using that as an excuse. Either way, leave the dog out of it.
 
You think the closing montage of Bamboozled is racist? It's kind of hard to process how thick-skulled that is. It's skewering a racist history within entertainment, specifically of cinema. I'm guessing you've never seen the film.

Your OP doesn't really make it clear that the core idea of the thread is to present "two sides of the coins" ideas. You included a Summer of Sam montage, FFS. Forgive me for mistaking the thread, due to the thread title and the three videos from the OP, to be mainly preoccupied with the work of Spike Lee.

FYI, the final montage of Bamboozled is a rant. It's a rant in montage form. It's seething with scorn. But, at the same time, as Spike Lee talked about on his DVD commentary, and in interviews in the years that followed, it was also about him getting over his anger at black actors who participated in that culture. He said as he'd gotten older, wiser, and began to understand how hard life can be, the decisions it can force a person to make, the more he began to understand why all those actors did what they did. They were surviving.

In that sense, too, the montage also shows two sides of a coin, but not the 'here's a Brooklyn Italian saying racist things about a black guy after a Brooklyn black guy says racist things about an Italian' kind of coin. You can feel it in the music. On the one hand, he doesn't spare his contempt for the white actors and the appalling racism that was accepted so nonchalantly at the times they made those clips. But he also shows the black actors and actresses, and you can feel his sense of subsiding judgement. There is a palpable empathy in the offering of a record of the tragedy. He still sees the oppressor as an other, but he comes to recognize people he previously might have condemned as "collaborators" to be like himself. He realizes they contributed to a culture of endurance, and he appreciates that it thanks to their resilience that he enjoys the greater freedom has has enjoyed as an artist to speak the truth.
that's pretty much it, and it wasn't just spike who was like that, I remember Branford Marsalis' brother recounting how he chided an older black man for tomming and the older man upbraided him and told him that he wouldn't be where he was without the toms. It's a generational thing that you can spot in art and in life if you pay attention. Take Richard Pryor or Redd Foxx and you knew they were two men who came up in very different times than the ones Eddie Murphy came up in, Eddie was often called arrogant or irreverent, which he really was. His mouth was bigger, he felt safer saying things and he played mr. bigshot with it, he could not have done that without the real humbleness of the comics before him. Just like Muhammad Ali, had he existed in Joe Louis' USA he wouldn't have been allowed to be dominant, no matter how good he was. So, Ali calls Joe an Uncle Tom on television and leaves Joe Louis getting up from the tv and walking into a room and shutting the door, that's his thanks.
 
To be honest, I love and adore Spike's docus, When The Levees Broke and the Jim Brown one, they were terrific, I watched them on loop when they came out. The great thing about Spike is that he has a true love for his people and really, with the white people he interviewed in the Orleans docu, he really did not seem to treat them any differently than the black subjects. I always felt he had a good heart.

as far as movies? Some are ok, some are good, some are weird. I think Inside Man was his biggest hit and the dumbest one was probably the one about the guy trying to screw the dykes, forget the name of it now.

Inspite of his misteps, he's a master at the craft, great as picking talent and assembling and leading. As a young man he could grate on nerves like a lot of young dummies, but as he said 20 years ago, "I haven't been that guy in years".
 
that's pretty much it, and it wasn't just spike who was like that, I remember Branford Marsalis' brother recounting how he chided an older black man for tomming and the older man upbraided him and told him that he wouldn't be where he was without the toms. It's a generational thing that you can spot in art and in life if you pay attention. Take Richard Pryor or Redd Foxx and you knew they were two men who came up in very different times than the ones Eddie Murphy came up in, Eddie was often called arrogant or irreverent, which he really was. His mouth was bigger, he felt safer saying things and he played mr. bigshot with it, he could not have done that without the real humbleness of the comics before him. Just like Muhammad Ali, had he existed in Joe Louis' USA he wouldn't have been allowed to be dominant, no matter how good he was. So, Ali calls Joe an Uncle Tom on television and leaves Joe Louis getting up from the tv and walking into a room and shutting the door, that's his thanks.
Beautifully put.
 
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