spider guard/DLR guard grip maintenance and grip break

[Kozbot]

Hello

I've never done much DLR and spiderguard much but we're getting into that in class right now

What are some good primers on retaining DLR and spider. Especially against them stepping over legs, dominating your non hook leg, gripping your pants.

Basically anything with conceptual instruction on both of these

Thank you!

 

[lechien]

you have to be able to switch to sit up as soonest he grab your non hook leg (the one that is supposed to block the knee).

also he is to be off balance all the time.

 

[Toothless King]

-grab their ankle on their hook leg
-use your other hand to grab their collar, if not grab their belt
-use your non hook leg to kick them over your head making them plant both their hands on the mat
-recover your DLR guard

I play a lot of DLR, RDLR, and spider guard because i have short stubby legs.

 

[invertcheguard]

if you have short legs would you play less spider and more butterfly or something else?

you gotta be able to switch from spider to everything else mentioned, you cant just hold that position. just watch comp vids to see how they switch constantly.

 

[Shemhazai]

-grab their ankle on their hook leg
-use your other hand to grab their collar, if not grab their belt
-use your non hook leg to kick them over your head making them plant both their hands on the mat
-recover your DLR guard

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[Einarr]

Something that hardly anyone ever mentions when talking about gi techniques is grip strength. If you have a strong grip you can maintain, advance and dominate the grips (and the gripfight) with greater ease - your opponent not being able to break your grips is a huge advantage in the gi. Training Judo regularly and using Captains of Crush grippers has made my grip pretty beastly and my finish rate with Cross Collar Chokes has soared and so has my ability to maintain and advance grips generally. So do some grip strength training if you want to work on maintaining grips.

I play a lot of [. . .] spider guard because i have short stubby legs.

Wut? :icon_neut

 

[Toothless King]

if you have short legs would you play less spider and more butterfly or something else?

you gotta be able to switch from spider to everything else mentioned, you cant just hold that position. just watch comp vids to see how they switch constantly.

Gui & Rafa Mendes are my height and built. They play DLR and spiderguard all the time.

 

[BJJArsenal]

Gui & Rafa Mendes are my height and built. They play DLR and spiderguard all the time.

I wouldn't say you have stubby legs then. Marcelo has short legs for someone his weight.

 

[Calibur]

Something that hardly anyone ever mentions when talking about gi techniques is grip strength. If you have a strong grip you can maintain, advance and dominate the grips (and the gripfight) with greater ease - your opponent not being able to break your grips is a huge advantage in the gi. Training Judo regularly and using Captains of Crush grippers has made my grip pretty beastly and my finish rate with Cross Collar Chokes has soared and so has my ability to maintain and advance grips generally. So do some grip strength training if you want to work on maintaining grips.

I think this is a big misunderstanding of spider guard grips. Spider guard is about transitioning. Not about holding on to grips that are already lost.

The key is transitioning from grip to grip. Holding on to one position for dear life is not what spider guard is about. Playing spider and knowing when a grip is lost is the key to developing grip strength. Not doing exercises to hold on to grips that have been compromised.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Something that hardly anyone ever mentions when talking about gi techniques is grip strength. If you have a strong grip you can maintain, advance and dominate the grips (and the gripfight) with greater ease - your opponent not being able to break your grips is a huge advantage in the gi. Training Judo regularly and using Captains of Crush grippers has made my grip pretty beastly and my finish rate with Cross Collar Chokes has soared and so has my ability to maintain and advance grips generally. So do some grip strength training if you want to work on maintaining grips.

Very true. The thing that I have from Judo that helps me the most in BJJ is beastly grip strength. If you can get a grip and your opponent can't clear it that's a huge advantage. In fact, the guy I have the most trouble with in my club is another dude with beastly grip strength, great flexibility, and a wicked spider guard because if you can't break someone's grips they can almost always find a way to recompose their guard.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I think this is a big misunderstanding of spider guard grips. Spider guard is about transitioning. Not about holding on to grips that are already lost.

The key is transitioning from grip to grip. Holding on to one position for dear life is not what spider guard is about. Playing spider and knowing when a grip is lost is the key to developing grip strength. Not doing exercises to hold on to grips that have been compromised.

I don't know about that. When you watch Michael Langhi, for example, he keeps the same grips for much of the match and when his feet get cleared off the arms he maintains the grips so that his opponent can't pass while simultaneously working his hips to reestablish the feet on the biceps. Just because you've lost the foot on arm control doesn't mean you should also let go of the sleeve.

 

[salboski]

If you really like DLR and spider guards, I really suggest a membership to the Mendes Brother online training. I signed up for two months and combed through all of their stuff and it was the best $50 I could have spent I think. They do a fine job of showing sweeps, guard retention, grip breaks...almost everything you need to know for playing those kinds of guards.

 

[Calibur]

I don't know about that. When you watch Michael Langhi, for example, he keeps the same grips for much of the match and when his feet get cleared off the arms he maintains the grips so that his opponent can't pass while simultaneously working his hips to reestablish the feet on the biceps. Just because you've lost the foot on arm control doesn't mean you should also let go of the sleeve.

I stand by what I said. I think "grip strength" is a crutch just like any other physical attribute. It's gray to have and you should definitely spam it if you have it but I think it comes naturally with practice and I think the practice comes naturally with proper transitions.

For the record I think most people who roll with me would say that I have very respectable grip strength. I still think it's better to rely on fluidity than to rely on grip power.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I stand by what I said. I think "grip strength" is a crutch just like any other physical attribute. It's gray to have and you should definitely spam it if you have it but I think it comes naturally with practice and I think the practice comes naturally with proper transitions.

For the record I think most people who roll with me would say that I have very respectable grip strength. I still think it's better to rely on fluidity than to rely on grip power.

You should be able to transition, but that doesn't mean you should give up on the grips as soon as a foot gets stripped. Frankly almost every move is attribute based to some extent, they all just rely on different attributes. If you have good grip strength or are interested in developing good grip strength then spider guard might be a good fit for you. I definitely wouldn't advise anyone to go out and develop good grip strength just to play spider guard, but if you have it or you want to play spider for other reasons and are willing to develop it then more power to you. Since spider is basically useless without some measure of grip strength I feel like saying 'transition out of it' is equivalent to saying 'don't both with spider because it's attribute based'.

 

[Leify]

I stand by what I said. I think "grip strength" is a crutch just like any other physical attribute. It's gray to have and you should definitely spam it if you have it but I think it comes naturally with practice and I think the practice comes naturally with proper transitions.

For the record I think most people who roll with me would say that I have very respectable grip strength. I still think it's better to rely on fluidity than to rely on grip power.

Technique augments physical attributes. You wouldn't need an armbar if you were so strong that you could grab a guy by the arm and rip the limb off like a scene right out of "IT".

I don't think relying on grip strength is a bad thing, so long as you aren't burning your forearms out in doing so. As long as a physical attribute is sustainable in the mid term, it can be just as useful as technique.

 

[Einarr]

I think this is a big misunderstanding of spider guard grips. Spider guard is about transitioning. Not about holding on to grips that are already lost.

The key is transitioning from grip to grip. Holding on to one position for dear life is not what spider guard is about. Playing spider and knowing when a grip is lost is the key to developing grip strength. Not doing exercises to hold on to grips that have been compromised.

I'm not talking about desperately holding onto lost grips. I'm saying increased grip strength helps you to avoid losing the grips in the first place.

I there any reason that you can't make use of dominating grip strength and know when to transition when necessary?

 

[invertcheguard]

Gui & Rafa Mendes are my height and built. They play DLR and spiderguard all the time.

gui and rafa do not have "stubby" legs

 

[Rod1]

You should be able to transition, but that doesn't mean you should give up on the grips as soon as a foot gets stripped. Frankly almost every move is attribute based to some extent, they all just rely on different attributes. If you have good grip strength or are interested in developing good grip strength then spider guard might be a good fit for you. I definitely wouldn't advise anyone to go out and develop good grip strength just to play spider guard, but if you have it or you want to play spider for other reasons and are willing to develop it then more power to you. Since spider is basically useless without some measure of grip strength I feel like saying 'transition out of it' is equivalent to saying 'don't both with spider because it's attribute based'.

One of the guys at the gym just throws his gi over a pullup bar and just hangs in there by the grips while playing pull up guard gymnast style, needless to say his spider guard is very good.

 

[Toothless King]

gui and rafa do not have "stubby" legs

how about short legs? better?