Law Sovereign citizen gets shot by Florida cops. Justified?

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This one is interesting. one sovereign citizen calls police on another. Cops try every use of force available-hands, baton, taser, pepper spray, bean bags, and finally, lethal force. Guy is a sovereign citizen and announces he is not involved in commerce. Well, police are about to sell him a shitload of force at discount rates. He is a large man and going hands on does not work.

My problem is that the use of force is all for a bullshit warrant and some minor issues. In the end, the use of force is justified. But I keep going back to the trespassing warrant and whether using any force is worth it. At most, they have several obstructing charges, but I would feel pretty shitty if I had to shoot someone over misdemeanors. Again at the end, he charges an officer that has his handgun out and that is lethal force. He had several minutes an ample warnings to give up and he refused. Crazy video.


 
This guy is hard to sit through...Was hoping the cops busted in during his Ship Station add & used force.

WTF. This is why you don't call the cops. Especially if you don't respect or acknowledge their authority. Or if you have a warrant.

Elroy is an interesting enigma. How did somebody so batshit crazy get such a nice estate????

They could have gave him time or reason to comply. They jump right to force and escalating things. The deadly weapon was introduced by the cops.
Yeah I don't care if it's "justifiable" by state law, I don't like it.

I feel like police really suck at dealing with mentally ill people or people going through mental episodes. They legit walk around like they should have the right to eventually kill you if you don't comply.
 
Truly shows the value of body worn cameras. Was he an unarmed black guy that got shot? Yup, and you'd better believe the media would take that narrative on a joy ride. Thankfully the footage shows the whole story. Shoot was justified. I do wish more cops have ju-jitsu training because the three of them would have been able to successfully force the guy to the ground.
 
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Confucamus said:
Truly shows the value of body worn cameras. Was he an unarmed black guy that got shot? Yup, and you'd better believe the media would take that narrative on a joy ride. Thankfully the footage shows the whole story. Shoot was justified. I do wish more cops have ju-jitsu training because the three of them would have been able to successfully force the guy to the ground.
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All three cops would pull guard
 
nhbbear said:
This one is interesting. one sovereign citizen calls police on another. Cops try every use of force available-hands, baton, taser, pepper spray, bean bags, and finally, lethal force. Guy is a sovereign citizen and announces he is not involved in commerce. Well, police are about to sell him a shitload of force at discount rates. He is a large man and going hands on does not work.

My problem is that the use of force is all for a bullshit warrant and some minor issues. In the end, the use of force is justified. But I keep going back to the trespassing warrant and whether using any force is worth it. At most, they have several obstructing charges, but I would feel pretty shitty if I had to shoot someone over misdemeanors. Again at the end, he charges an officer that has his handgun out and that is lethal force. He had several minutes an ample warnings to give up and he refused. Crazy video.


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I just about fell outta my chair at the Elden Ring part.
 
Justifying lethal force on someone not presenting themselves as a physical threat is insane.

Edit: Nevermind. I initially only saw the clips where he was tanking tazers and saying random video game NPC shit, lol
 
The XL said:
Justifying lethal force on someone not presenting themselves as a physical threat is insane.

Edit: Nevermind. I initially only saw the clips where he was tanking tazers and saying random video game NPC shit, lol
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If he hadn’t charged that one cop like that and they just shot him, it would have been really bad. I still don’t think I would have shot or even had my gun out. I have always been a very hands on cop and go hand to hand even when a gun should have been utilized
 
Larzon said:
Dumb cunt for getting shot but 3 cops with batons should be able to take a bloke down and control him.
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I agree that in the end, the ends did not justify the means meaning that they shot a guy ultimately over some minor shit but when they shot him, at that moment, it was justified. Once he was pepper sprayed, going hands on isn’t ideal because then you get covered in spray. I would have bull rushed him from the get go. Sure, he looked big but slow and out of shape
 
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