Law South Africa to Forcefully Seize Land Ownership from White Minority

[moneyfight]

War is hell, and there's no use in whitewashing that. One need not celebrate the death of Japanese children to understand that it happened and assent to it. But Truman also administered the occupation of Japan leniently and circumspectly. His pushing of the Marshall Plan helped rebuild Europe. Unlike Mao and Stalin, he did not murder entire classes of people. unlike Hitler he did not attempt to murder entire races. He showed magnanimity and mercy to the defeated which a lesser man might not have done.

My Grandfather jumped out of airplanes and did communications for the United States Army in WW2 and was stationed in France.

After the War he said in hindsight that the Germans were "the good guys" in WW2 and that we should have let them defeat communism.

 

[Steve-French]

I know a girl from South Africa. Her Parents have a Farm with a Bed and Breakfast, Big game hunts (with tranquilizers only) and 1000's of acres. Her Dad has employed 100's of nativities for the last 40-50' years. He started the whole thing with basically a mule and some seeds and just kept buying land as his crops sold. It's kind of sad to see somebody like this lose all of their shit.

 

[Blackened]

yo, is that a good hitler doc? 6 hours? seriously askin, cuz i want a good doc and willing to spend the time, but 6 hours? wow

It's one like you won't get anywhere else.

There is footage from interviews of those he invaded in the east "we were so happy when we heard Hitler was coming. We thought he was coming to set us free from communism".

A lot of good shit here. Now granted, it's biased. But it's the other side of the story, the one we don't hear. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[Steve-French]

The minority are savages in South Africa. They need to be driven out. Sounds like good ole nationalism to me.

You're a fucking piece of shit.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

That's not an argument.

You just said "he had no reason to invade Poland", I proved you wrong... and my argument is nullified because "he's a Nazi".

So fucking stupid.

You're right. I wasn't making an argument. I was making an observation. And your defense of the Nazis accompanied with your vilification of the Jews is ugly.

 

[Lanx]

It's one like you won't get anywhere else.

There is footage from interviews of those he invaded in the east "we were so happy when we heard Hitler was coming. We thought he was coming to set us free from communism".

A lot of good shit here. Now granted, it's biased. But it's the other side of the story, the one we don't hear. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Besides basic high school ww2 and this

Don't know much, so i guess i'll give it a gander, or there's a better recommended one, i'll do that too.

 

[Blackened]

You're right. I wasn't making an argument. I was making an observation. And your defense of the Nazis accompanied with your vilification of the Jews is ugly.

Right... but you're aware this is an appeal to emotion and doesn't follow logic at all.

If we can reason that there was a reason for invasion of Poland, whether just or not, whether you've been conditioned to be repulsed by certain ideas since childhood or not, doesn't make you right or invalidate my reasoning.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

My Grandfather jumped out of planes and did communications for the United States Army in WW2 and was stationed in France.

After the War he said in hindsight that the Germans were "the good guys" in WW2 and that we should have let them defeat communism.

Your grandfather was wrong about that, although it's understandable. The USSR was an evil regime like the Nazis themselves were. The Allied victory in Europe was only partial. We did not have the strength or political will to fight the Russians and liberate Eastern Europe.

However, though a partial victory was the best we could do, defeating the Nazis was of prime importance. The struggle against totalitarianism in the USSR was continued and eventually won by the following generation.

 

[ShinkanPo]

They remove the white man from power, then after civilization collapses they start eating each others hearts and beheading people.

Sounds like Zombie apocalypse flick just like walking dead...

In that series they try to rebuild communities and have formed groups and taken in people but at some point they have to stop taking in all the "joiners" because they just cannot trust everyone there are some bad mofos out there and you dont want to get stab while you are sleaping.


It is like the microcsm of the immigration/refugee problem in the realworld but this time it is the would be immigrants who are the zombies... people eating hearts? Damnn....

 

[Pwent]

Add in Alexander the Great too.

iskandar was one of the least evil of conquerors, he actually tried to teach the people he conquered about new technology, taught them about the philosophy he was taught by aristotle, taught them pankration etc. he was responsible for a huge dispersion of greek culture which was usually a lot more advanced than the people he was conquering. he also didnt rape or kill conquered people unnecessarily.

hes still an evil murderer, but he kind of wins the "tallest midget" prize of actually caring about the wellbeing of areas after he conquered them through murder and bloodshed, unlike the mongolian tribal hordes

 

[Blackened]

My Grandfather jumped out of airplanes and did communications for the United States Army in WW2 and was stationed in France.

After the War he said in hindsight that the Germans were "the good guys" in WW2 and that we should have let them defeat communism.

I loath that fucking flag. I fucking loath it.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Right... but you're aware this is an appeal to emotion and doesn't follow logic at all.

If we can reason that there was a reason for invasion of Poland, whether just or not, whether you've been conditioned to be repulsed by certain ideas since childhood or not, doesn't you right or invalidate my reasoning.

It's an appeal to morality. If Hitler's reason for invading Poland was revanchist in nature, why did he annex half of Poland and not only Eastern Prussia and Danzig? Why did the Germans subsequently murder roughly 2 million ethnic Poles and 3 million Polish Jews?

 

[moneyfight]

Your grandfather was wrong about that, although it's understandable. The USSR was an evil regime like the Nazis themselves were. The Allied victory in Europe was only partial. We did not have the strength or political will to fight the Russians and liberate Eastern Europe.

However, though a partial victory was the best we could do, defeating the Nazis was of prime importance. The struggle against totalitarianism in the USSR was continued and eventually won by the following generation.

A decade later it was us (America) who had to lose another 60,000 men fighting communism in Vietnam.

It's all hindsight now but in the end WW2 was a big mistake that cost 40+ million Europeans their lives and many Japanese also.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

A decade later it was us (America) who had to lose another 60,000 men fighting communism in Vietnam.

It's all hindsight now but in the end WW2 was a big mistake that cost 40+ million Europeans their lives and many Japanese also.

There will always be an ism that seeks to enslave people. The most dangerous such ideology in the early 20th Century was Nazism. Communsim, while no less aggressive externally and murderous internally, was weaker and less of an immediate threat. The West simply did not have the strength to fight both at once.

 

[Blackened]

It's an appeal to morality. If Hitler's reason for invading Poland was revanchist in nature, why did he annex half of Poland and not only Eastern Prussia and Danzig? Why did the Germans subsequently murder roughly 2 million ethnic Poles and 3 million Polish Jews?

Dude, he made many requests for peace. The last one he made was when they turned down his offer of "give us a road", then he went for the invasion.

"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods!
Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany.
Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish
wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and
the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily
Express, March 24, 1933.

"Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so
now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must
refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who
patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the
German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence
depends." - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933.
Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933.

Joining with Samuel Untermeyer in calling for a war against Germany, Bernard Baruch, at the
same time, was promoting preparations for war against Germany. "I emphasised that the defeat
of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous
opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit." - Baruch, The Public
Years, by Bernard M. Baruch, p. 347 (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1960).

Samuel Untermeyer was a Jewish leader and close friend of presidents Wilson and Roosevelt.
Bernard Baruch was a presidential adviser to Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman.

"This declaration called the war against Germany, which was now determined on, a 'holy war'.
This war was to be carried out against Germany to its conclusion, to her destruction" (Diese
Erklarung nannte den Krieg gegen Deutschland, der nun beschlossen sei, einen heiligen Krieg.



Dieser Krieg miisse gegen Deutschland bis zu dessen Ende, bis zu dessen Vernichtung, gefiihrt
werden). - Dr. Franz J. Scheidl, Geschichte der Verfemung Deutschlands.

"War in Europe in 1934 was inevitable." - H. Morgenthau, Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Hearst
Press, September, 1933 (also quoted in "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jenson, p. 1 1 (printed by John
McKinley, 11-15 King Street, Perth, Scotland)).

"For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each
conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe
that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all
the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost
territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany.
Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews." - Vladimir Jabotinsky
(founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also
quoted in "Histoire de l'Armee Allemande" by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).

"Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but
soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy
Alliance").

"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United
Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson,
page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52).

"We want to bring about a deep hatred for the Germans, for German soldiers, sailors, and
airmen. We must hate until we win." - Lord Beaverbrook, quoted in Niemals! by Heinrich
Goitsch.

"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the
most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." -
Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935.

"Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S. A will be
formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees." - Paul Dreyfus, "La
Vie de Tanger" May 15, 1938.

On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost
positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be
sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.

"Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against
her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!" - Bernard Lecache, the president of the
"International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism," in its newspaper "Droit de Vivre"
(Right to Life), 9 November, 1938.

"The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the



world." - Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York Tribune, March 29, 1939.

"I wish to confirm in the most explicit manner, the declaration which I and my colleagues made
during the last months, and especially in the last week: that the Jews "stand by Great Britain and
will fight on the side of the democracies." Our urgent desire is to give effect to these
declarations. We wish to do so in a way entirely consonant with the general scheme of British
action, and therefore would place ourselves, in matters big and small, under the co-ordinating
direction of His Majesty's Government. The Jewish Agency is ready to enter into immediate
arrangements for utilizing Jewish manpower, technical ability, resources, etc." - Chaim
Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later
President of Israel, the London Times, September 5, 1939, and the London Jewish Chronicle,
September 8, 1939.

"The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and,
not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany
to its final end." - Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939.

"Stop talking about peace conditions! Break Germany in pieces!" - The Daily Herald, No.7426, 9
December, 1939.

"The Jews, taken collectively, view this war as a holy war." - The Daily Herald, No. 7450, 1939,
quoted in "Reichstagsbrand, Aufklarung einer historischen Legende," by U. Backes, K.H.
JanBen, E. Jesse, H. Kohler, H. Mommsen, E Tobias.

"Even if we Jews are not physically at your side in the trenches, we are morally with you. This
war is our war and you fight it with us." - Schalom Asch, Les Nouvelles Litterairres, February
10, 1940.

"In losing Germany, Jewry lost a territory from which it exerted power. Therefore it was
determined to re-conquer it." - Louis Marschalko, "The World Conquerors : The Real War
Criminals."

"The World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years." - Rabbi M.
Perlzweig (head of the British Section of the World Jewish Congress), Toronto Evening
Telegram, February 26, 1940.

"The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism." -
Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn, Chicago Sentinel, October 8, 1942.

"We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for
the liberation of Jewry... Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not
only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not
only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.
The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying
them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's
fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of
our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory." - Chaim Weizmann,
President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of
Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.

"Played golf with Joe Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Britain). He says that Chamberlain stated
that America and world Jewry forced England into World War II." - James Forrestal, Secretary
of the Navy (later Secretary of Defense), Diary, December 27, 1945 entry.

"It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked
solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. Nor had
I ever wished that after the appalling first World War, there would ever be a second against
either England or America." - Adolf Hitler, April, 1945.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It wasn't only his grandfather who said the Germans were the good-guys, but General George Patton said the same after he became acquainted with the German people:



Shortly after the war George Patton came to realize what he and the US army had gotten itself into. He got very angry and started to speak out about it.

Few weeks later he died in a car crash. Lot of people believe he was assassinated.

Nice. Let's add in a conspiracy theory like the cherry on top. Patton was a magnificent general, but a poor statesman. He rightly saw the USSR as an enemy of America, but he was wrong to think that the Germans weren't the bigger threat.

 

[moneyfight]

There will always be an ism that seeks to enslave people. The most dangerous such ideology in the early 20th Century was Nazism. Communsim, while no less aggressive externally and murderous internally, was weaker and less of an immediate threat. The West simply did not have the strength to fight both at once.

 

[moneyfight]

Back on topic.

Farm attacks, murders to be debated in Parliament

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/farm-attacks-murders-to-be-debated-in-parliament-20170308

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Dude, he made many requests for peace. The last one he made was when they turned down his offer of "give us a road", then he went for the invasion.

"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods!
Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany.
Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish
wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and
the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily
Express, March 24, 1933.

"Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so
now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must
refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who
patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the
German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence
depends." - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933.
Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933.

Joining with Samuel Untermeyer in calling for a war against Germany, Bernard Baruch, at the
same time, was promoting preparations for war against Germany. "I emphasised that the defeat
of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous
opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit." - Baruch, The Public
Years, by Bernard M. Baruch, p. 347 (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1960).

Samuel Untermeyer was a Jewish leader and close friend of presidents Wilson and Roosevelt.
Bernard Baruch was a presidential adviser to Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman.

"This declaration called the war against Germany, which was now determined on, a 'holy war'.
This war was to be carried out against Germany to its conclusion, to her destruction" (Diese
Erklarung nannte den Krieg gegen Deutschland, der nun beschlossen sei, einen heiligen Krieg.



Dieser Krieg miisse gegen Deutschland bis zu dessen Ende, bis zu dessen Vernichtung, gefiihrt
werden). - Dr. Franz J. Scheidl, Geschichte der Verfemung Deutschlands.

"War in Europe in 1934 was inevitable." - H. Morgenthau, Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Hearst
Press, September, 1933 (also quoted in "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jenson, p. 1 1 (printed by John
McKinley, 11-15 King Street, Perth, Scotland)).

"For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each
conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe
that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all
the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost
territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany.
Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews." - Vladimir Jabotinsky
(founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also
quoted in "Histoire de l'Armee Allemande" by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).

"Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but
soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy
Alliance").

"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United
Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson,
page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52).

"We want to bring about a deep hatred for the Germans, for German soldiers, sailors, and
airmen. We must hate until we win." - Lord Beaverbrook, quoted in Niemals! by Heinrich
Goitsch.

"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the
most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." -
Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935.

"Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S. A will be
formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees." - Paul Dreyfus, "La
Vie de Tanger" May 15, 1938.

On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost
positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be
sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.

"Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against
her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!" - Bernard Lecache, the president of the
"International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism," in its newspaper "Droit de Vivre"
(Right to Life), 9 November, 1938.

"The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the



world." - Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York Tribune, March 29, 1939.

"I wish to confirm in the most explicit manner, the declaration which I and my colleagues made
during the last months, and especially in the last week: that the Jews "stand by Great Britain and
will fight on the side of the democracies." Our urgent desire is to give effect to these
declarations. We wish to do so in a way entirely consonant with the general scheme of British
action, and therefore would place ourselves, in matters big and small, under the co-ordinating
direction of His Majesty's Government. The Jewish Agency is ready to enter into immediate
arrangements for utilizing Jewish manpower, technical ability, resources, etc." - Chaim
Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later
President of Israel, the London Times, September 5, 1939, and the London Jewish Chronicle,
September 8, 1939.

"The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and,
not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany
to its final end." - Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939.

"Stop talking about peace conditions! Break Germany in pieces!" - The Daily Herald, No.7426, 9
December, 1939.

"The Jews, taken collectively, view this war as a holy war." - The Daily Herald, No. 7450, 1939,
quoted in "Reichstagsbrand, Aufklarung einer historischen Legende," by U. Backes, K.H.
JanBen, E. Jesse, H. Kohler, H. Mommsen, E Tobias.

"Even if we Jews are not physically at your side in the trenches, we are morally with you. This
war is our war and you fight it with us." - Schalom Asch, Les Nouvelles Litterairres, February
10, 1940.

"In losing Germany, Jewry lost a territory from which it exerted power. Therefore it was
determined to re-conquer it." - Louis Marschalko, "The World Conquerors : The Real War
Criminals."

"The World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years." - Rabbi M.
Perlzweig (head of the British Section of the World Jewish Congress), Toronto Evening
Telegram, February 26, 1940.

"The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism." -
Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn, Chicago Sentinel, October 8, 1942.

"We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for
the liberation of Jewry... Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not
only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not
only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.
The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying
them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's
fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of
our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory." - Chaim Weizmann,
President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of
Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.

"Played golf with Joe Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Britain). He says that Chamberlain stated
that America and world Jewry forced England into World War II." - James Forrestal, Secretary
of the Navy (later Secretary of Defense), Diary, December 27, 1945 entry.

"It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked
solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. Nor had
I ever wished that after the appalling first World War, there would ever be a second against
either England or America." - Adolf Hitler, April, 1945.

You've never heard of the concept of judging a man by his actions rather than his words? If he wanted peace, he had it.

 

[Blackened]

You've never heard of the concept of judging a man by his actions rather than his words? If he wanted peace, he had it.

We've gone off topic for too long. I disagree, the International Bankers were going to bring about war whether he wanted it or not.

If you'd like we can continue this another time via PM.