Economy SoCal's Imperial Valley To Become "Lithium Valley" After Massive 18-Million Tons Reserve Found Under The Dying Salton Sea.

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The improverished Imperial County (and their dying Salton Sea) will have a reprieve after all, after the world's largest lithium reserve has been found there. Best of all, they exists in the boiling-hot brine water currently being pumped up to power their geothermal power plant, which means the direct extraction process would be so much cheaper and safer for the environment than the rocky ores being mined and refined elswhere.

An excise tax will be levied on every ton of lithium extracted in what is being called Lithium Valley, and every cent of it will stays in the region: 80% of that tax will go to Imperial County (30% of which will be invested directly in the communities in the immediate area). The remaining 20% will go to the management of the Salton Sea, which was previously left to dry up and caused people all kinds of respiratoty health problems when the toxic agricultural run-offs in the dried lake bed are blown into the air.

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The promise of lithium sparks a gold rush in Imperial Valley
By Thomas Fudge / Science and Technology Reporter | October 13, 2022



The geothermal plant established by San Diego-based EnergySource looks like a refinery, sitting on the flat desert land of the Imperial Valley. It was built in the township of Calipatria in 2006, and since then, it has produced geothermal energy by extracting searing, hot water that is found underground.

But that underground lake has something more than just heat.

The water is loaded with minerals ready to be mined, including manganese, zinc and lithium. It’s lithium that has spawned a flurry of construction and speculation as the demand for lithium car batteries rockets into the stratosphere.

“We started out looking at manganese, zinc and lithium,” said Eric Spomer, the CEO of what they now call EnergySource Minerals. “But it became clear pretty quickly that all anybody wanted to talk about was lithium.”

Spomer said the business plan of EnergySource always envisioned a mining operation. Now that the focus is lithium, they are planning to build a $1 billion expansion to pull that now-precious metal from the same salty brine water that has been generating geothermal energy.

“When you ask: How do you finance a billion-dollar project? Given everything we’ve done here, that it’s fully permitted, that we have a definitive feasibility study done, it’s not about whether we can raise the money. It’s about what (the financing) is going to look like,” Spomer said.

EnergySource Minerals isn’t the only game in town. Berkshire Hathaway Energy and Australia-based Controlled Thermal Resources are also planning to mine lithium in Imperial County, using a new technical process called Direct Lithium Extraction.

People have started calling the area “Lithium Valley.” Governor Newsom has signed a bill to tax future lithium extraction, and to start splitting up the revenues between Imperial County and the effort to restore the Salton Sea.

This is happening in one of California’s most impoverished counties, where the unemployment rate has historically exceeded 20%. Local advocates say they want to be sure the “lithium gold rush” isn’t just something that benefits outside industry.

“Every time there’s an opportunity, we’ve been exploited,” said Luis Olmedo, executive director of the Comite Civico del Valle, an organization that serves farm workers and other disadvantaged communities.

“We’re going to pull together because if we don’t work together in unity, every interested party that sees a financial opportunity is going to tear us apart. And we’re going to end up with nothing but extraction, and no benefits in our own community.”

Direct Lithium Extraction: A new tool in mining.

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You’ll find lithium near the top of the Table of Periodic Elements, just below Hydrogen. It’s a lightweight metal that is very efficient at storing energy. More than three decades ago, Sony began using lithium batteries in their mobile Walkman players.

Soon came smartphones and then the electric car.

Lithium mining has taken place in China and South America. It is typically done in open pit mines or through use of evaporation ponds, where lithium-rich brine water is left to dry up before the metal is taken.

Neither method is environmentally friendly. But the lithium mining that is planned for Imperial County promises to be different, using Direct Lithium Extraction (DLE).

Wearing jeans and a hardhat, Spomer shows me a shaded lot near his company’s geothermal plant where they pilot tested their own DLE technology, called ILiAD.

“It’s the cleanest lithium source in the world, and that’s not hyperbole,” he said, “compared to evaporation ponds and hard-rock mining. The carbon footprint is almost zero. The physical footprint is very small, in comparison, and the water use is very low,” he said.

At the EnergySource plant, that hot brine water that’s also used for geothermal energy will be funneled to the surface where it will be run through the ILiAD device. There, the water is pushed through a filter, also called a media.

“The media attracts the lithium ion and lets everything else pass through,” he said. “So it goes in, gets attracted to the absorbent, everything else washes through and then we come back with a lithium-spiked solution that causes all those lithium ions to be released from the absorbent.”

People in the business say the beauty of mining lithium at a geothermal plant is that the brine water is ultimately pumped back below ground, returning to the water table. Energy use is also efficient, due to the abundant supply of geothermal power.

EnergySource turned over operation of the plant to Cyrq Energy in July of this year. But EnergySource Minerals has exclusive rights to take the brine water and extract minerals from it, before Cyrq injects it back underground.

In fact, lithium mining could be the factor that makes geothermal power financially feasible. Geothermal plants are expensive to build and operate, and the energy source is being undercut by increasingly inexpensive wind and solar power.

But add lithium mining to the equation, and suddenly geothermal makes a lot more financial sense.

“If we can open up the economic viability of developing more geothermal power in this region, we can take a lot of load off the western grid because we can continue to produce very clean energy, using geothermal power,” said Carmen Rene, chief financial officer for EnergySource Minerals.

EnergySource expects their Imperial Valley plant will produce 20,000 tons of battery-specified lithium a year. But for all the promise of Direct Lithium Extraction technology, Spomer admits what they plan to do has never been done before.

“On a real commercial scale, doing pure DLE, this will be groundbreaking,” said Spomer.

Others might say it's not fully tested.

Who will profit from Lithium Valley?



Maria Nava Froelich has a comfortable, lived-in office where she works at the Calipatria school district. She is also the Mayor Pro Tem of Calipatria. She said there is a lot that is missing from her town.

“Visit our communities and see for yourself how rural and how impoverished we are. We want to thrive like other municipalities, like other communities,” Nava said.

The realities of high unemployment, lack of retail businesses and few career opportunities have been as stifling here as the triple digit temperatures. And some people in Imperial County say distribution of what money there is, has not been equitable.

Luis Olmedo, with Comite Civico del Valle, mentioned the example of the solar power development on land that used to be farms.

“The landowners get to negotiate their leases, so they get taken care of,” Olmedo said. “But because the farmworkers often aren’t organized and don’t have a very strong voice, they get sort of lost in the conversation.”

Olmedo said this time things were different.

Thanks to political pressure from the Imperial Valley the California legislature passed a law, signed by Governor Newsom, that will levy an excise tax on every ton of lithium that is recovered in the valley. That tax revenue, every cent, is staying in the county.

California assemblyman, Democrat Eduardo Garcia, who represents the Imperial Valley, tells where the money’s going to go.

“Eighty percent will go to the County for purposes of reinvestment into the community. Thirty percent of the 80% will be directed to communities closest to the lithium recovery activities,” Garcia said. “The remaining 20% will be reinvested back into Salton Sea management efforts.”

What kind of reinvestment could take place in the community?

“We heard from community residents that if you live in the North End, there are issues related to water and sewer infrastructure, “ Garcia said, referring to communities that lie close to the lithium mining projects.

“We’ve heard from community members that they’re looking for investments that will lead to economic development opportunities. There’s a town on the North End that doesn’t have a grocery store.”

Members of industry were not excited about the tax, which will ultimately reach $800 per ton of lithium recovered.

“When the governor’s office indicated they were going to support this industry, we were thankful. That’s great,” EnergySouce CEO Spomer said. “But the first thing that happened is they put a $800 a ton lithium tax on us. And I was kind of shocked that was how they were going to help this industry take off.”

But Spomer adds that his company has come to terms with the tax, and most people in the Imperial Valley are optimistic about becoming Lithium Valley.

"We think it's a game changer for our community. We think it's going to bring a lot of jobs, community benefits. We do support the excise tax," Nava Froelich said.



In a related development, San Diego State University received an $80 million check from the state to build a STEM research and education facility at its Imperial Valley campus in Brawley. Vice Provost Tong said they want to focus on science and technology subjects, and hopefully add to a growing technical industry related to mining and making lithium products.

“This is a moment in history and time when we really can transform the valley,” said SDSU President Adela de la Torre at a recent community forum.

“It’s a moment where the stars have aligned if you will, so that we can create a vision that allows our students to stay in the valley, have opportunities in the valley, and become the leader in the valley in so many different ways.”

We don’t know when that kind of future may arrive. We do know that EnergySource Minerals hopes to begin construction of their lithium mining facility by the end of this year, and start extracting the metal in 2025.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/202...lithium-sparks-a-gold-rush-in-imperial-valley
 
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Biden says commercial-scale lithium extraction possible in Imperial Valley by 2026
By Erin Rode | Palm Springs Desert Sun | Feb 22, 2022

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EnergySource’s Hudson Ranch geothermal plant, where a lithium recovery element is being developed. EnergySource is among three companies developing lithium extraction technology around the Salton Sea.

As the Imperial Valley begins its transformation into what some are calling Lithium Valley, one company says it could have lithium production at commercial scale by 2026, President Joe Biden said Tuesday at an event with Gov. Gavin Newsom, industry executives, community representatives and labor leaders.

Biden met with the group to announce several investments in domestic production of critical minerals and materials, including lithium extraction in Imperial County.

"[This announcement] is all about the belief we share that to build a truly strong economy, we need a future that is made in America," said Biden, noting that the U.S. currently imports close to 100% of these critical minerals and materials.

An estimated 15 million metric tons of lithium, in addition to other rare minerals, are available for extraction in Imperial County, home to one of the largest lithium deposits in the world. That's enough lithium to satisfy more than one-third of today's global lithium demand.

Global demand for the mineral used for rechargeable batteries, including for cell phones, battery storage, and electric vehicles, is expected to grow by as much as 4,000% over the next several decades as lithium plays an important role in transitioning to electric vehicles and the clean energy economy.

Biden said Tuesday that these new mining projects will allow the U.S. to reduce its dependence on importing materials from other countries, and that unlike historical mining operations, environmental protections and benefits for local communities will be prioritized.

"We're going to build [the clean energy economy] around working Americans, making sure that labor is at the table, and the tribes, and people from the community are at the table from day one, and that environmental protections are paramount. We are going to ensure that these resources actually benefit folks in the communities where they live, not just the shareholders," Biden said.

Biden said he's asked U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm to visit the Imperial Valley "and hear directly from local residents about how this will impact them."

Berkshire Hathaway Energy Renewables announced it will break ground on a new demonstration facility in Imperial County this spring to test the commercial viability of their lithium extraction process from geothermal brine. If the demonstration facility is successful, the company would move toward commercial scale production of battery grade lithium hydroxide and lithium carbonate by 2026. Once at commercial scale, the facility could produce as much as 90,000 metric tons of lithium per year.

"We are working not just to secure domestic sources of lithium, but we're working to secure the most abundant source of lithium in the United States using the world's most environmentally friendly technology, and providing economic and unemployment benefits in one of the most disadvantaged counties in the country," said Alicia Knapp, president and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway Energy Renewables.

Knapp said the company has operated geothermal plants in Imperial Valley for more than 40 years, and currently operates 10 plants that bring superheated, lithium-rich brine to the surface, then use that steam to generate power before reinjecting the brine into the ground.

"Right now we are pumping 50,000 gallons a minute of lithium-rich brine to the surface, and because there is no proven commercial technology we are pumping it right back down into the ground," said Knapp.

The first phase of the demonstration project is supported by a $6 million grant from the state, and the second phase is supported by a $14.9 million grant from the Department of Energy. If both phases are successful, the company will begin constructing its commercial plant in 2024. Knapp said the company is working with local educational institutions to develop a curriculum to train workers, as well as on-site job training opportunities, to provide opportunities for those who want to obtain a two- or four-year degree or for those who want to enter the workforce after high school.

Imperial County plans for growth

Tuesday's announcement comes a week after the Imperial County Board of Supervisors approved a plan that lays out a specific list of requests from the state and federal government as the county prepares to potentially become a national hub for lithium development.

The county's requests for the state include a local California Polytechnic University to "provide the engineers and chemists needed to work in the geothermal and lithium development sector" and "provide opportunities for the vocational and technical development of the workforce."

The county is also requesting $500,000 a year to support a new Lithium Valley Development Office to answer industry inquiries and provide feedback on projects, and $5 million in direct funding from the state to support the county's development of a Lithium Valley Specific Plan and a Programmatic Environmental Impact Report, which will be used to guide geothermal and lithium development in an area encompassing 8,000 to 12,000 acres.

From the federal government, Imperial County is requesting several major infrastructure investments, including $50 million for road and bridge infrastructure in the region, $1 billion for railway upgrades, and $500 million for upgrades to the electrical grid.

In addition to Berkshire Hathaway, two other companies have lithium projects in the works in Imperial County. Controlled Thermal Resources and EnergySource Minerals both have established operations in the county to extract lithium from geothermal brine.

General Motors plans to source lithium for electric vehicle batteries from Controlled Thermal Resources, which began drilling its first lithium and power production well in November. In a November announcement, Controlled Thermal Resources CEO Rod Colwell said the company expects to begin delivering power in late 2023 and lithium hydroxide in 2024.

Lithium development in the Imperial Valley is a priority for California's focus on clean energy, with Newsom calling the region "the Saudi Arabia of lithium" while announcing his 2022-23 budget proposal on Jan. 10.

Newsom used this phrase again on Tuesday, noting that the state is working on strategies that prioritize local hires and other economic benefits to ensure that the "extraordinary economic opportunity" in the "Saudi Arabia of lithium" is shared among residents.

"We think this is big, we don't want to understate it, but we also don't want to overstate it... But if this is as big as it appears to be, this is a game-changer in terms of our efforts to transition to low carbon green growth and change the way we produce and consume energy," Newsom said.

The budget proposal includes several mentions of lithium development in the Imperial Valley, and includes a new tax credit of $100 million per year for three years for new green energy technologies like lithium extraction, as well as other economic development incentives for the clean energy sector.

The state has also established a new 14-member Lithium Valley Commission, which includes nonprofit and tribal leaders, lithium industry executives, and representatives from state and local government. The commission began meeting in 2021, and is tasked with reviewing and analyzing the issue of lithium extraction in California before submitting a report to the Legislature on its findings in October 2022.

At the commission's first public forum in November, some community members expressed concerns over potential environmental impacts and whether local residents will actually experience economic benefits from the projects.

The companies operating in Imperial Valley are working with the Lithium Valley Commission to "develop a royalty structure that would invest profits from their operations in infrastructure, health, and educational investments for the residents of the surrounding region," according to the release from the Biden administration.

Silvia Paz, chair of the Lithium Valley Commission and executive director of community group Alianza Coachella Valley, emphasized the need for investment in the region during Tuesday's event.

"We're talking about an area that houses the largest body of water, the Salton Sea, that is facing environmental degradation. So when the community hears the excitement around lithium, there is a cautious optimism, because of the context of a community that has seen unfulfilled promises. Could this be a game-changer? Yes, if we get it right," Paz said.

Paz said "getting it right" would include "doubling down on investments" beyond just providing career and educational pathways, by making investments in the region's infrastructure and ensuring the area doesn't experience further environmental degradation. Paz said she wants to see the community "transformed beyond only building the industry."

"When we talk about the potential of lithium we need to capture the many of the jobs possible... But if I look at my community, when there's a high wind our power lines fall and leave communities without power, we have a long ways to go and we are really counting on the incentives from the federal and state level to be able to do this right for our communities," she said.

https://calexicochronicle.com/2023/...ic-input-on-how-to-spend-lithium-tax-dollars/
 
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Gov. Newsom showcases Imperial County's transformation following discovery of massive lithium deposits
By KCAL-News Staff | March 20, 2023 / 9:58 PM / KCAL News



A new kind of gold rush appears to be brewing In one of California's most neglected and forgotten corners.

Imperial County is getting an infusion of investment because of a massive amount of lithium-ion that was discovered under the neighboring Salton Sea.

In his statewide tour replacing the "State of the State" address, Governor Gavin Newsom showcased the transformation of the area. Lithium is a lightweight metal that fuels the batteries in cell phones and the batteries that power all of the new electric vehicles.

"This is it. This is the holy grail," said Newsom. "We have a sense of urgency to meet this moment, to address the needs of the community to advance, to continue to advance our low carbon green growth goals."

Much of Imperial Valley has been mired in poverty as climate change has exacerbates conditions in areas near the Salton Sea, the largest body of water in the state.

The area has turned into an environmental disaster zone as the sea dries out, after years of pesticides and heavy metals leaking into it. In its wake, clouds of toxic dust cause chronic asthma and other respiratory diseases for the people who live there.

"Residents around the sea have been waiting for a very long time for projects that are going to stabilize the sea," said Secretary of the Natural Resources Agency Wade Crowfoot. "The sea has been shrinking, exposing the dust in the playa that worsens air pollution. We've lost major fish and wildlife habitat and we need action."

The governor said his administration has prioritized improving conditions in the county as private investors flock to Imperial to harvest one of the largest lithium deposits in the world.

"We'll bring critical resources to one of the most underserved, under-resourced regions in all of California, if not the nation," said Congressman Raul Ruiz, who represents the county.

Imperial County Supervisor Ryan Kelly said investments are in the early stages but he expects the county to reap major benefits in the not-too-distant future.

"It is imperative for our national needs that we secure a commodity needed for that new industry," he said. "We're hoping that our children will reap the rewards of the things we're planting today."

Kelley added that the value of lithium has been skyrocketing.

"You saw the value of lithium just skyrocket from $7,000 a metric ton to $77,000-$80,000 a metric ton," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...lowing-discovery-of-massive-lithium-deposits/
 
Thanks to political pressure from the Imperial Valley the California legislature passed a law, signed by Governor Newsom, that will levy an excise tax on every ton of lithium that is recovered in the valley. That tax revenue, every cent, is staying in the county.

California assemblyman, Democrat Eduardo Garcia, who represents the Imperial Valley, tells where the money’s going to go.

“Eighty percent will go to the County for purposes of reinvestment into the community. Thirty percent of the 80% will be directed to communities closest to the lithium recovery activities,” Garcia said. “The remaining 20% will be reinvested back into Salton Sea management efforts.”

Is this how California will be able to finance their plan for reparations?

...what?
 



What does ANY of this have anything to do with Lithium mining in the Imperial County, especially when the very first post made it abundantly clear to anyone who can read that every cent of the excise tax revenue stays with the County?
 
I wonder how far this can go in the real world. You can sit on whatever deposits you want, but it has to be feasible and I have no idea how long 15 million tons will last. Surely price isn’t holding them back now that lithium is becoming expensive.
 
I wonder how far this can go in the real world. You can sit on whatever deposits you want, but it has to be feasible and I have no idea how long 15 million tons will last. Surely price isn’t holding them back now that lithium is becoming expensive.

15M tons is A LOT, more than anyone else on last year's top list: Chile had the biggest reserves with 9.5M tons, followed by Australia with 5.7M tons, Argentina with 2.2M tons, and China with 1.5M tons.

Before this discovery, we were at #5 with less than 1M ton, but unfortunately 75% of our reserve are near tribal lands and face strong opposition from the native tribes, who understandably don't want to see their ancestral neighborhood be desecrated and turned into industrial mines, and so our entire country currently only have one functioning lithium mine in Silver Peak, Nevada, which produce less than 1% of the world's lithium supply - not even enough for our own domestic use.

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This should give you an idea of the lithium market in recent years:

2021:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/lithium-battery-production-country-top-183050554.html

2022:
https://www.kitco.com/news/2023-02-...thium-producing-countries-in-2022-report.html

Currently, the world's total annual lithium production is 130,000 metric tons:

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Currently, Australia is the #1 lithium producer, supplying half of the global demand with 61,000 metric tons a year.

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The bad news is China went on a buying spree and gulp up mining rights for whatever lithium mines they can find around the world from 2012 til now.

They currently control 60% of the world's lithium refining capacity, and need not worry about the lithium supply for the fast-growing electric vehicles market:

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Australia may produce the most from their mines, but 90% of Australia's lithium gets shipped off directly to China:

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Another fun fact: Back in 1995, the U.S sat at the top of the chart and produced more than a third of the world's lithium supply, much more than our own needs. Now, we account for less than 1% with only 900 tons produced a year.

That means we have to buy the rest of the supply we need from other countries, mostly from South America.

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That will change soon.

We've finally found a massive reserve that is not anywhere near tribal lands or important drinking water supply, with political support from all levels of federal, state, and regional governments, as well as the local community for industrial development. Now we need to get started on building the infrastructure to extract the stuff ASAP.

If this new discovery is handled in a swift and efficient manner, the U.S can get our lithium crown back in a few years - or at the minimum be self-sufficient again in our lithium supply chain. The dirt-poor Imperial Valley would become one of the richest regions in the country. The nearly-dead Salton Sea finally got a lifeline. The best part is China doesn't have a stake in any of this.

Since current projection shows the global lithium demands will rise to 1.5 million tons in 2025 and double again to 3 million tons in 2030, I have no doubt there will be several DLE plants built here in the future, because the new Directly Lithium Extraction process for brine water extracted from the ground is much more environmentally-friendly than ore processing and doesn't need much water, it is insanely profitable thanks to the geothermal energy plant right next door, and the demands for lithium will continues to skyrocket worldwide as electric vehicles becomes the norm.

Lastly, even if we are once again the biggest lithium producer in the world with, say, 100,000 tons a year, it would still take 150 years before this 15,000,000 tons lithium mine runs dry.
 
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What does ANY of this have anything to do with Lithium mining in the Imperial County, especially when the very first post made it abundantly clear to anyone who can read that every cent of the excise tax revenue stays with the County?
I don't believe that the money will stay in the county. No matter what the politicians say. At some point Sacramento will distribute the tax money elsewhere.

The most important part of the story is that this will encourage geothermal energy as a source of electricity for the community.
 
I really hope this works out as good as it sounds. Though I gotta say it sounds too good to be true, but again I hope it works out. The market gets a new source of lithium for all the electronics we use. Geothermal becomes more financially viable. And the local community gets some badly needed investment.
 
Meh, we really need to move away from Lithium, 15 million more tons is 15 million more tons that will eventually need to be safely disposed of. The stuff is toxic and sets bin men on fire.

Good for that region though, but let's see if it helps the locals or just makes some companies richer.
 
Meh, we really need to move away from Lithium, 15 million more tons is 15 million more tons that will eventually need to be safely disposed of. The stuff is toxic and sets bin men on fire.

Good for that region though, but let's see if it helps the locals or just makes some companies richer.
The mining is not so "green" is it. Such a snow job this green bullshit.
 
probably cant break even if its a union job. if only this was discovered in a backwater where tens of thousands of hungry, desperate children could mine it for captain hair gel.
 
that sounds great and I remember reading about lithium being found out west. I'm not sure if this administration will allow mining to happen in the US though. At least i've read a few articles bringing this issue up. From 2 weeks ago ~

Nevada governor slams Biden for locking up mineral-rich land in new monuments

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ent/nevada-governor-slams-biden-new-monuments

Gov. Joe Lombardo (R-NV) blasted President Joe Biden on Tuesday for locking up 500,000 acres of mineral-rich land in Nevada and Texas. He said the move would be tough on Nevadans for generations.

Lombardo said the White House did not respond to any of his concerns before the announcement of the 506,000-acre Avi Kwa Ame National Monument in southern Nevada. Lombardo said his office reached out.

BIDEN TO LIMIT DEVELOPMENT ON 500,000 ACRES IN TEXAS AND NEVADA WITH NEW MONUMENTS

"Since I took office, the Biden White House has not consulted with my administration about any of the details of the proposed Avi Kwa Ame national monument which, given the size of the proposal, seems badly out of step," Lombardo told Fox News in a statement.

"Upon learning that the President was considering unilateral action, I reached out to the White House to raise several concerns, citing the potential for terminal disruption of rare earth mineral mining projects and long-planned, bipartisan economic development efforts. While I’m still waiting for a response, I’m not surprised," he added.....
 
that sounds great and I remember reading about lithium being found out west. I'm not sure if this administration will allow mining to happen in the US though.

Nah, we're good.

As I have already mentioned, Imperial Valley have the support from every level of government, as well as the local community.

The construction of an industrial-scale plant is projected to begins in 2024, and both the Federal and State governments expects it to be fully operational at max capacity by 2026.

https://www.desertsun.com/story/new...ion-possible-imperial-valley-2026/6893569001/
 
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I wonder how far this can go in the real world. You can sit on whatever deposits you want, but it has to be feasible and I have no idea how long 15 million tons will last. Surely price isn’t holding them back now that lithium is becoming expensive.


Sure Cali will make it untenable
 
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