So you think you know all about karate??

I love karate, and try too defend it were I can but today "karate" too often is used as just marketing phase.

I do not think "karate" is such a good marketing symbol today. Years and years of ridicule, poor marketing and a multitude of organizations has pretty much tainted it.

I see the more modern karate sports (glove karate, mma karate and similar) as ways for traditional karate practitioners to breath new life into what they do. Afterall, the sport is just a restriction on what parts of the art you are allowed to use.
How far they can go and still calling it karate is just such a difficult question, and one that I do not think really have a answer.

I know people who say that if it does not have kata, or traditional kata, it is not karate. Or that it if it does not have kihon it is not karate. but I also know people who would strongly disagree. And I know people who do both but refuse to call what they do "karate". I know people who practice karate without Gi, without japanese terminology and withut any sport fighting at all.
I have also been personally accused (yelled at) of not doing real karate because what I do (knockdown/kyokushin) allows KO (this was by a high ranked WKF guy).
 
"ISKA Full Contact" is pretty much the same thing as WKF style but it's continuous, no stops for points. Its contact is actually pretty limited.
 
Good write up ... but I really don't see why there has to be SO many different styles, it's like every little corner wants their own specific set to differentiate from the rest.

I've opened my gym so I want no low-kicks, knees to the body, zero hand-contact and elbows below the waist, with full headguard and bare hands ... because I'm cool and want my own set of rules.

IMO if they just incorporated things into a more over-arching rule-set there'd probably be a lot less confusion.
There really is IMO no real reason to have so many different competitive approaches.
But that's just me
 
This page is a nightmare to load because of all the videos, haha!

suggestion. firefox with flashblocker installed. then the vids do not load or start until you want to and click on them.
 
Damn son! I was completely unaware that this large a variety of styles existed....

^^^Yes unaware suits you just fine.... luv'd the candor.... :icon_lol:

>> Are you going with the new shorts-pic post from the "...LandMine's" T?

KarateStylist
 
Suishin Ryu (SSR) Karate
Our style is a combination of Zen Buddhism combined with full contact Karate, Self Defense and teaching our youth self-respect. Our main objective is to teach people from all over the world, how to be strong both physically and spiritually.

 
Suishin Ryu (SSR) Karate
Our style is a combination of Zen Buddhism combined with full contact Karate, Self Defense and teaching our youth self-respect. Our main objective is to teach people from all over the world, how to be strong both physically and spiritually.

/ * vidchop */

Joe, can you explain your express philosophy of Zen Buddhism, and how that differentiates SSR from other karate styles?

KarateStylist
 
Joe, can you explain your express philosophy of Zen Buddhism, and how that differentiates SSR from other karate styles?

KarateStylist


Just found them on the net, I don't train SSR, these are copied quotes from their website:

soukesouke.jpg

It was founded 40 years ago by our Souke (Founder) Shusui Kawai he has traveled to many countries over the years promoting his Karate.
Souke is a very respected man who has had experience in the military and is also a fully qalified Zen Priest. Souke displays wonderful Karate technique and it shows in over 50 years of Karate training. Our Head Instructor, Mondo Kawai Sensei is the son of Souke who has been doing Karate from the age of 3.

SSR Karate is not only Karate, Zen Spirit plays a major role in training. We use this training to help improve our body, minds and spirit. I think, by doing martial arts, not only will you improve yourself mentally and physically, but you will also learn respect for yourself and others.


SSR has some basic Theories & Ethics, which all students must obey, These theories & ethics, are to help the student both physically and mentally, and should be remembered when using any form of SSR training.

THE OATH OF SSR
YOU HAVE TO LIVE LIFE AS IF YOU ARE WATER - STRONG, BUT FLOWS CALMLY AND SILENTLY THROUGH THE STREAM.

THE 5 GOLDEN RULES OF SSR
1: BY TRAINING HARD, YOU ARE NOT ONLY STRONG PHYSICALLY, BUT ALSO MENTALLY.
2: WITH SPIRITUAL TRAINING, YOU ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO OVERCOME ANYTHING
3: IF YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, YOU ALSO TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY.
4: IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING IN LIFE, NEVER GIVE UP ON ANYTHING.
5: CORRECT YOUR ATTITUDE,TO HAVE SAMURAI SPIRIT

LIFESTYLE ETHICS OF SSR
1: ONCE A DAY, YOU MUST RELAX, AND ADJUST YOUR MIND, BODY & SPIRIT.
2: SHOW RESPECT TO YOURSELF AND TO OTHERS AROUND YOU.
3: APPRECIATE LIFEĄ˘ DO GOOD DEEDS FOR OTHERS
 
It's cool how many unknown (for me at least) styles/branches/schools there are. SSR Karate looks like some japanese (small maybe) local style. Its always bracing find out place where karate lives strong.
 
It's cool how many unknown (for me at least) styles/branches/schools there are. SSR Karate looks like some japanese (small maybe) local style. Its always bracing find out place where karate lives strong.

You vid post was pretty intense. What style of karate, I mean more common style, would you say SSR associates or ties in with?

KarateStylist
 
You vid post was pretty intense. What style of karate, I mean more common style, would you say SSR associates or ties in with?

KarateStylist

SSR is a knockdown karate style. I do not know if it is derived or inspired by kyokushin.
 
I think you've pretty much put you're finger on the biggest issue with modern karate, albeit somewhat unconsciously, I'm guessing. They have plenty of talent but each organization is so splintered that it leads to twenty different rule sets with 100 plus different organizations.

I don't know if they want to fix the problem to be honest; but if they do they need to establish two rule sets. One for the serious (full-contact) and one for the weekend warrior types. (point based continuous, light/medium contact) The point based competition should be solely based on referee discretion on when to start and stop.

Now I know each and every club/school has their idea of what's the perfect rule set but to have a good sized competition population everyone needs to work together.

I like Karate, it holds a nice little niche in my heart, but even in the disgustingly splintered world of martial arts it's in a league of its own. Unified rules would send Karate on the route to healing; Just everyone has to be willing to compromise.

Always loved this HL (especially the build up to fighting Filho)
 
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I don't know if they want to fix the problem to be honest; but if they do they need to establish two rule sets. One for the serious (full-contact) and one for the weekend warrior types. (point based continuous, light/medium contact) The point based competition should be solely based on referee discretion on when to start and stop....

^^^ Think the old masters would agree to a "Pow Wow?" Sherdog could host and standup forum heavies could moderate.... It'd be awesome....

KarateStylist
 
I think you've pretty much put you're finger on the biggest issue with modern karate, albeit somewhat unconsciously, I'm guessing. They have plenty of talent but each organization is so splintered that it leads to twenty different rule sets with 100 plus different organizations.

I don't know if they want to fix the problem to be honest; but if they do they need to establish two rule sets. One for the serious (full-contact) and one for the weekend warrior types. (point based continuous, light/medium contact) The point based competition should be solely based on referee discretion on when to start and stop.

Now I know each and every club/school has their idea of what's the perfect rule set but to have a good sized competition population everyone needs to work together.

I like Karate, it holds a nice little niche in my heart, but even in the disgustingly splintered world of martial arts it's in a league of its own. Unified rules would send Karate on the route to healing; Just everyone has to be willing to compromise.

Always loved this HL (especially the build up to fighting Filho)


I don't think the problem is competition formats & the huge number of different rule sets for competition - the problem is with the splintering of organisations into smaller organisations - it's like with Kyokushin karate - the original IKO of Sosai Mas Oyama - the talent pool was huge & it in turn produced some of the greatest fighters in Kyokushin's history & arguably some of the greatest stand-up fighters in the world - this was because it had a huge pool of fighters - so the increased competition forced karateka to become more competitive & there was a much more diverse range of fighters on display which forced fighters as a whole to be more well-rounded if that makes sense - I'm sure shinkyoku would agree - we haven't seen the same level of competitors (skill wise) & in such numbers than when the IKO was still one organisation (even when IKO1 hadn't entirely splintered off yet) - Andy Hug, Kenji Midori, Kenji Yamaki, Akira Masuda, Shokei Matsui, Gary O'neill, Ademir Da Costa, Keiji Sanpei, Hajime Kazumi, Makoto Nakamura, Filho, Hiroki Kurosawa, Peter Smit, Michel Wedel, Michael Thompson, Shichinohe, Feitosa, Pettas...and that's the few that come to mind.

When the original IKO splintered off into IKO1, IKO2, IKO3, IFK, IFKK, IBK, KSK etc etc Kyokushin Karate suffered as a whole - because first the unity had gone & on top of that the talent pool had been splintered - each group by itself doesn't have the huge talent pool & diverse (talent pool) that the original IKO of Sosai had - as a result competition has suffered; karateka are less well-rounded & less competitive as there predecessors as a result.


If Karate as a whole really wants to start healing - all the organisations & styles of Karate such as Shotokan, Goju, Uechi, Shorin, Kyokushin, Wado etc etc should come together & form a worldwide competition format that's realistic & full-contact (semi-contact for those that want it) to determine who the best karateka in their respective weight classes are - it will breed competition & make all karateka more competitive but I seriously doubt that it would happen - even though Karate is meant to be Budo - Karate ironically has many personalities that are not conducive to the Budo aspect of Karate unfortunately, lets hope this trait isn't passed on from generation to generation lol.



Ryu Narushima is one of my favourite karateka - it's ashame that K-1 MAX came well after his time - but I would have loved to see him compete in K-1 MAX, think he could have done extremely well, maybe even a MAX champ - till this date I've never seen anyone in all of combat sports throw high roundhouses with the speed & power he managed to throw them with both left & right - pound for pound, I've never seen someone come close & to top it off he was tough as hell - would have loved to see him fight guys like Masato, Kraus, Buakaw, Souwer etc etc provided he had done an Andy Hug & done some cross-training.
 
"Contact Karate" looks like fun. Reminds me of the "full contact" kickboxing ruleset, which I think is underrated.
 
Always admired Kyokushins ability to head kick from clinching range with either leg
 
"Contact Karate" looks like fun. Reminds me of the "full contact" kickboxing ruleset, which I think is underrated.

Not my favorite ruleset, but the fights are definitely fun to watch, which I think was the idea back when they were trying to market it in the US.

If only K1 or Muay Thai could become popular in the US... Can't wait for the Spike deal to come through.
 
SSR is a knockdown karate style. I do not know if it is derived or inspired by kyokushin.

SSR certainly fits your presumption....
  • No headshots
  • The heavy body-lean while exchanging...
  • The alternating crosses to the body, 1-2, 1-2 ,1-2
  • the kind-of-stalking advancing footwork, similar to Muay Tahi
  • willingness to exchange

EDIT: forgot to mention how they rip their gi's out, gi's flapping around.... :wink:

KarateStylist
 
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Not my favorite ruleset, but the fights are definitely fun to watch, which I think was the idea back when they were trying to market it in the US.

Yeah, for sure. When you can't catch kicks or clinch, you're free to throw a lot of techniques that you can't in other rulesets. Like you say, it can be really fun to watch.

I would never say that it should be the ONLY ruleset, but it seems all but nonexistent now, which I think is a shame.


If only K1 or Muay Thai could become popular in the US... Can't wait for the Spike deal to come through.

K1 is cool and produces a lot of great fights. To be honest, I think Muay Thai is a little boring to watch though (certainly no offense toward you or your avatar).
 
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