So Teddy Atlas was right about the 30%?

[Harlekin]

The younger fighter usually wins the 3rd fight

 

[OldBoy91]

Damn, if you add the lost 30% from Usman, you realize the poor man had no chance of winning ..! Can't matchmakers do maths ?!

Technically Usman was -70% as he claimed to be 30%.

It was Hendricks that was 70%.

Its so very confusing.

Usman 30%

Hendricks 70%

Edwards 130%

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

130% of Edwards_{t-1}

 

[jitzmonkey]

Initially my take was that a lot of it would have to do with confidence.
Having the tangible experience of winning a titlemight take a way some fighters' unnecessary hesitation.
I imagine that some guys like Cerrone (who always spoke about hating fighting) would've had different careers if they'd won a world title.

That said, @usermmainvestigations that I quoted at the bottom has a very strong argument as well.

A new mythical fighter?

“30% Edwards”

Edwards 1.3, I think.

*130% Edwards

Thank you for properly mathing!

More money better resources for nutrition training etc

So logical that I'm a bit surprised it didn't come to me until reading your reply.
Sort of a "rich get richer" scenario.

 

[Dorkman]

Meanwhile poor Luke Rockholds champions modifier was actually -60%. Guy got the raw Deal.

 

[Luckyme]

They posted a tweet during Edwards Usman (yeah fuck that) from Teddy Atlas saying that there's some old boxing wisdom that a guy gets 30% better when he gets the belt - which obviously just sounds like some folklore from a boxing grampa... But is that what happened? Do we have to admit he was right?

Confidence plus the experience training for + fighting the top of the food chain is only going to make you better.

 

[VanMMA]

In some cases its true. Though i would argue that Edwards was always that good but a lot of people weren't willing to or couldn't recognize it.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Initially my take was that a lot of it would have to do with confidence.
Having the tangible experience of winning a titlemight take a way some fighters' unnecessary hesitation.
I imagine that some guys like Cerrone (who always spoke about hating fighting) would've had different careers if they'd won a world title.

That said, @usermmainvestigations that I quoted at the bottom has a very strong argument as well.



Edwards 1.3, I think.


Thank you for properly mathing!



So logical that I'm a bit surprised it didn't come to me until reading your reply.
Sort of a "rich get richer" scenario.

Yup. This was kind of what was going on in Vettorri vs Dolidtze (spelling!). Vetorri (who I can't stand) was saying that Roman isn't ready for this big a jump: a guy who live, travels, and pays for the best training in the world, 24/7 and does almost literally nothing else other than train and prepare. And it was clear that Roman, despite clearly being good, was beating people a rung or two below the top.

And it takes LOTS of money and dedication to train at that level, especially over time/for a career. So when you're champ, that's the time when you're getting the most money, most offers, and all the best in the world want to work with you or offer you your wares. That, plus confidence, can and do have a huge impact.

Alternatively, a lot of being a reigning defending champ is your head game (or coming back after a brutal KO). There are a lot of champs and pros who are really impacted by the stress of the career and what's constantly at stake (like Rafael Asunscao said in his retirement speech, or as literally every pro I've ever trained with has told me

 

[jitzmonkey]

Yup. This was kind of what was going on in Vettorri vs Dolidtze (spelling!). Vetorri (who I can't stand) was saying that Roman isn't ready for this big a jump: a guy who live, travels, and pays for the best training in the world, 24/7 and does almost literally nothing else other than train and prepare. And it was clear that Roman, despite clearly being good, was beating people a rung or two below the top.

And it takes LOTS of money and dedication to train at that level, especially over time/for a career. So when you're champ, that's the time when you're getting the most money, most offers, and all the best in the world want to work with you or offer you your wares. That, plus confidence, can and do have a huge impact.

Alternatively, a lot of being a reigning defending champ is your head game (or coming back after a brutal KO). There are a lot of champs and pros who are really impacted by the stress of the career and what's constantly at stake (like Rafael Asunscao said in his retirement speech, or as literally every pro I've ever trained with has told me

Good stuff, man.

Thanks for the reply!

 

[mudrubble]

A new mythical fighter?

“30% Edwards”

130% Leon. We already have 30% Usman, and he was a winner.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

I believe in it. It's mostly psychological than physical. So yeah Teddy Atlas for the win.

 

[mmainvestigations]

I LOL'd at this gif btw

 

[HavokHarmon]

It's true. I think it's also a mental thing. The champion gains confidence while the former champ loses theirs. I don't know about boxing but in UFC, the only person in history to ever lose their title by getting finished and coming back to win the instant rematch was Stipe.

Instant rematches are a waste of time unless it's a robbery. Usman should have fought the #2 guy for next crack while the #1 contender fought Leon as is the case every time a champion loses by finish.

I think the stat between boxing and MMA is something crazy like the new champ beats the former champ 80% of the time in a rematch. So why we are giving out do-overs every time a champ loses their belt? It makes zero sense to me.

Stipe is a special kind of human being. I remember watching Cormier talking trash on TUF leading up to their first fight and Stipes reaction made me an instant fan.

I forget which episode but it went something like this
Cormier laughing loudly and being boisterous -Hey man I’m telling you I’m gonna come in and take that belt, celebrate with both my titles and then just hand it back to you like here you go you can keep the division.
Stipe totally genuine as if he was responding to a compliment- Oh thanks man, that’s nice of you.

 

[Deleted member 587672]

In London, 30 is pronounced "Fur-y" (T is often missed "fur" "ee").
So we'll have a Ton Furty Edwards.

This is the new treefiddy..

 

[Bobby Boulders]

60% Usman dominated for a long time.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

It's amazing what confidence and a champions mindset can do.

 

[Rationality]

If it's +30% by becoming UFC champion.
Just think how much better you got when you joined Sherdog?

 

[AmonTobin]

Chronically underconfident Leon Edwards, now with 30% more confidence.

 

[Shilajit]

What Teddy said is nothing new. Of course the guy with the belt is going to have more confidence. He just happened to put a really arbitrary percentage on it.

That guy is one of the most overrated boxing trainers ever and doesn't know jack shit about mma, so whatever he says regarding mma should be taken with a grain of salt

Listening to a random sherdogger, with his vast knowledge and combat experience is the wiser move for sure

 

[MeatWagon06]

It happened after Edgar fought bj. First fight was close but Edgar looked brand spanking new in the rematch

BJ definitely upped his game for the Trilogy as well.