So, How Will Frank "Lucky" Mir Pull This One Out?

If Mir gets away with it in defeating Hunt, like how he did the scared girl jumping out of the way knee which KO'd Cro Cop, I'm gonna go bananas.

Hahaha. That was such a shitty fight. Cro Cop admitted before the fight that he wasn't in shape and took the short notice fight for money and to help out the UFC since they had been good to him.

It literally looked like an accident. I thought the same thing seeing it live.
 
I've always appreciated Brock Lesnar's comment about Frank Mir having a "horseshoe up his ass," since I don't think truer words could ever be spoken. Mir has never been the greatest fighter, but he's found ways to hold titles and pull off wins that skill wise he should not have been able to accomplish.

Tim Sylvia- I know people like to use hindsight to discredit "The Maine-iac," but there's just no way Frank Mir should have been able to win this fight at the time. Sylvia was known for great takedown defense and using his incredible reach. At the time, Mir had awful standup, evidenced by his slopfest with Wes Sims months prior. Sylvia should have KO'd Mir cold pretty effortlessly. So what does Sylvia do? Shoot a takedown!!! I still think if Herb Dean did not notice the arm break, that Sylvia would have KO'd Mir standing anyways since he had escaped without tapping. Still, Sylvia's takedown on Mir might be the lowest fight IQ moment ever.

Tim Sylvia 2 not being approved by the Athletic Commission- The AC did not believe Mir would be competitive with Sylvia, so they nixed that fight. Considering the mismatches we have seen in MMA, it is quite fortunate for Mir that they spared him this loss.

Brock Lesnar 1- Brock beat the living dogshit out of Frank Mir, standing and on the ground. Mir had nothing for him. Problem was Brock was inexperienced. Instead of just standing and beating Mir that way, Brock played the risk of staying on the ground as a novice and got kneebarred. The flukeness of this victory was reinforced with how effortlessly Brock battered Mir in the 2nd fight. The one thing Mir should get credit for is that he had become the better striker by the 2nd fight, but Brock wasn't inexperienced on the ground anymore. Brock should have just KO'd Mir standing in the 1st fight. Mir's standup was terrible for years.

Minotauro 1- Say whatever you want, but you're blind if you think Big Nog was in any condition to take that fight. Mir had nothing for Nog standing in the 2nd fight. Did the vet Noguiera get better at the end of his career when he was losing all the time or did he just show up to the Mir 1 fight in really bad shape? I think it's clear he was hospitalized and that was a real excuse.

Kongo- Please tell me what Kongo was doing with his hands so low that he got caught with that overhand. We've seen plenty of evidence throughout their respective careers that Kongo is a better wrestler than Mir. Why was he so worried about a takedown that he'd fall for that?

Carwin- Miragliotta stopped that fight too soon and saved Mir braincells. J/K

Minotauro 2- This fight was weird in that it pretty much proved that Mir-Noguiera 1 was a fluke outcome, since Noguiera boxed the shit out of Mir rather than be a lifeless punching bag, and that Noguiera was likely the better grappler (how effortlessly Nog got to his feet after a takedown).......THEN Nog gets submitted through a series of events that would never repeat themselves. Instead of ruling a TKO when Nog drops Mir and is hitting him clean with punches on the ground, Herb Dean inexplicably warns Nog to stop hitting the back of the head. Nog proceeds to drop for a terrible guillotine attempt (he also did this against Couture), gets caught underneath Mir in side control when attempting a switch to get out of his mistake, and pretty much gifts the kimura. Mir goes from a TKO loss to a submission victory in seconds, and people will be forever deluded into thinking Mir is a better fighter than Noguiera.

Bigfoot Silva- With Mir's tendency to go fetal under ground and pound and Bigfoot's stifling top control, wouldn't this have been one of the most obvious results if Bigfoot was still on TRT? Mir was not submitting Bigfoot, who survived three rounds on the ground with Werdum.

Todd Duffee- Not saying Duffee is a great fighter, but the speed and skill difference between him and Mir was enormous. If Duffee was just patient with his striking and picked Mir apart rather than sloppily brawling, I'm confident Mir's chin would have given out.

I'm thinking Hunt rocks him with a jab, tries a flying omaplata, knocks himself out on the ground when his head hits the canvas, Mir sinks in an RNC, gets the tap, and Sherdog threads popup everywhere about how Mir is an all-time great with an amazing resume.

Somebody needs to shoop a picture of Brock Lesnar handing back the horseshoe he pulled out of Frank Mir's ass and beat him over the head with. Lesnar is a nice guy afterall.

Did Mir bang your mom or something?
 
I don't think Mir's lucky, but he's the type of guy that can sneak up on you if you don't dispose of him, or if you become too complacent. I think the reason is because he's deceptively quick/athletic for a very large heavyweight. I don't think people realize he's a lean 260 lbs. That's a big deal. When you're that big and mobile, with a wealth of submission knowledge, you can turn someone's lights out pretty quick.

With that said though, I think his fight IQ is poor and his strategies seem rather one dimensional.
 
Mir/Nog 2 sucked and so does Herb Dean. Nog was NOT hitting Mir behind the head and Herb cost him the fight by yelling at him constantly to stop. Herb is the worst ref ever.
 
I've always appreciated Brock Lesnar's comment about Frank Mir having a "horseshoe up his ass," since I don't think truer words could ever be spoken. Mir has never been the greatest fighter, but he's found ways to hold titles and pull off wins that skill wise he should not have been able to accomplish.

Tim Sylvia- I know people like to use hindsight to discredit "The Maine-iac," but there's just no way Frank Mir should have been able to win this fight at the time. Sylvia was known for great takedown defense and using his incredible reach. At the time, Mir had awful standup, evidenced by his slopfest with Wes Sims months prior. Sylvia should have KO'd Mir cold pretty effortlessly. So what does Sylvia do? Shoot a takedown!!! I still think if Herb Dean did not notice the arm break, that Sylvia would have KO'd Mir standing anyways since he had escaped without tapping. Still, Sylvia's takedown on Mir might be the lowest fight IQ moment ever.

Tim Sylvia 2 not being approved by the Athletic Commission- The AC did not believe Mir would be competitive with Sylvia, so they nixed that fight. Considering the mismatches we have seen in MMA, it is quite fortunate for Mir that they spared him this loss.

Brock Lesnar 1- Brock beat the living dogshit out of Frank Mir, standing and on the ground. Mir had nothing for him. Problem was Brock was inexperienced. Instead of just standing and beating Mir that way, Brock played the risk of staying on the ground as a novice and got kneebarred. The flukeness of this victory was reinforced with how effortlessly Brock battered Mir in the 2nd fight. The one thing Mir should get credit for is that he had become the better striker by the 2nd fight, but Brock wasn't inexperienced on the ground anymore. Brock should have just KO'd Mir standing in the 1st fight. Mir's standup was terrible for years.

Minotauro 1- Say whatever you want, but you're blind if you think Big Nog was in any condition to take that fight. Mir had nothing for Nog standing in the 2nd fight. Did the vet Noguiera get better at the end of his career when he was losing all the time or did he just show up to the Mir 1 fight in really bad shape? I think it's clear he was hospitalized and that was a real excuse.

Kongo- Please tell me what Kongo was doing with his hands so low that he got caught with that overhand. We've seen plenty of evidence throughout their respective careers that Kongo is a better wrestler than Mir. Why was he so worried about a takedown that he'd fall for that?

Carwin- Miragliotta stopped that fight too soon and saved Mir braincells. J/K

Minotauro 2- This fight was weird in that it pretty much proved that Mir-Noguiera 1 was a fluke outcome, since Noguiera boxed the shit out of Mir rather than be a lifeless punching bag, and that Noguiera was likely the better grappler (how effortlessly Nog got to his feet after a takedown).......THEN Nog gets submitted through a series of events that would never repeat themselves. Instead of ruling a TKO when Nog drops Mir and is hitting him clean with punches on the ground, Herb Dean inexplicably warns Nog to stop hitting the back of the head. Nog proceeds to drop for a terrible guillotine attempt (he also did this against Couture), gets caught underneath Mir in side control when attempting a switch to get out of his mistake, and pretty much gifts the kimura. Mir goes from a TKO loss to a submission victory in seconds, and people will be forever deluded into thinking Mir is a better fighter than Noguiera.

Bigfoot Silva- With Mir's tendency to go fetal under ground and pound and Bigfoot's stifling top control, wouldn't this have been one of the most obvious results if Bigfoot was still on TRT? Mir was not submitting Bigfoot, who survived three rounds on the ground with Werdum.

Todd Duffee- Not saying Duffee is a great fighter, but the speed and skill difference between him and Mir was enormous. If Duffee was just patient with his striking and picked Mir apart rather than sloppily brawling, I'm confident Mir's chin would have given out.

I'm thinking Hunt rocks him with a jab, tries a flying omaplata, knocks himself out on the ground when his head hits the canvas, Mir sinks in an RNC, gets the tap, and Sherdog threads popup everywhere about how Mir is an all-time great with an amazing resume.

Somebody needs to shoop a picture of Brock Lesnar handing back the horseshoe he pulled out of Frank Mir's ass and beat him over the head with. Lesnar is a nice guy afterall.

One day, this will be Frank Murr's epitaph. Thank you, MikeHolmes.
 
I don't think Mir's lucky, but he's the type of guy that can sneak up on you if you don't dispose of him, or if you become too complacent. I think the reason is because he's deceptively quick/athletic for a very large heavyweight. I don't think people realize he's a lean 260 lbs. That's a big deal. When you're that big and mobile, with a wealth of submission knowledge, you can turn someone's lights out pretty quick.

With that said though, I think his fight IQ is poor and his strategies seem rather one dimensional.

I sort of think the opposite. For his LIMITED skillset, he has a lot of wins which could be attributed to gameplanning. He was smart enough to come over the top on Kongo, who kept his hands way too low as if Mir was a stud wrestler, then latched onto the guillotine with all his might. Against Cro Cop and JDS, he knew he had no prayer standing, so he tried to take them down. Problem is Mir doesn't have good wrestling. I was impressed he lasted until Round 2 against JDS and he didn't give Cro Cop a chance to catch him. With Duffee, there was an interview with Mir where he talked about drawing him into a brawl. Duffee is infinitely faster than Mir, so this was clearly a good gameplan to catch him in a sloppy exchange. Even with Nelson, he engaged in the clinch and made it a battle rather than risking getting caught by Roy's overhand. I don't think his fight IQ is bad at all. He just doesn't have the skill to beat certain fighters barring lucky circumstances, which he seems to get.
 
I've always appreciated Brock Lesnar's comment about Frank Mir having a "horseshoe up his ass," since I don't think truer words could ever be spoken. Mir has never been the greatest fighter, but he's found ways to hold titles and pull off wins that skill wise he should not have been able to accomplish.

Tim Sylvia- I know people like to use hindsight to discredit "The Maine-iac," but there's just no way Frank Mir should have been able to win this fight at the time. Sylvia was known for great takedown defense and using his incredible reach. At the time, Mir had awful standup, evidenced by his slopfest with Wes Sims months prior. Sylvia should have KO'd Mir cold pretty effortlessly. So what does Sylvia do? Shoot a takedown!!! I still think if Herb Dean did not notice the arm break, that Sylvia would have KO'd Mir standing anyways since he had escaped without tapping. Still, Sylvia's takedown on Mir might be the lowest fight IQ moment ever.

Tim Sylvia 2 not being approved by the Athletic Commission- The AC did not believe Mir would be competitive with Sylvia, so they nixed that fight. Considering the mismatches we have seen in MMA, it is quite fortunate for Mir that they spared him this loss.

Brock Lesnar 1- Brock beat the living dogshit out of Frank Mir, standing and on the ground. Mir had nothing for him. Problem was Brock was inexperienced. Instead of just standing and beating Mir that way, Brock played the risk of staying on the ground as a novice and got kneebarred. The flukeness of this victory was reinforced with how effortlessly Brock battered Mir in the 2nd fight. The one thing Mir should get credit for is that he had become the better striker by the 2nd fight, but Brock wasn't inexperienced on the ground anymore. Brock should have just KO'd Mir standing in the 1st fight. Mir's standup was terrible for years.

Minotauro 1- Say whatever you want, but you're blind if you think Big Nog was in any condition to take that fight. Mir had nothing for Nog standing in the 2nd fight. Did the vet Noguiera get better at the end of his career when he was losing all the time or did he just show up to the Mir 1 fight in really bad shape? I think it's clear he was hospitalized and that was a real excuse.

Kongo- Please tell me what Kongo was doing with his hands so low that he got caught with that overhand. We've seen plenty of evidence throughout their respective careers that Kongo is a better wrestler than Mir. Why was he so worried about a takedown that he'd fall for that?

Carwin- Miragliotta stopped that fight too soon and saved Mir braincells. J/K

Minotauro 2- This fight was weird in that it pretty much proved that Mir-Noguiera 1 was a fluke outcome, since Noguiera boxed the shit out of Mir rather than be a lifeless punching bag, and that Noguiera was likely the better grappler (how effortlessly Nog got to his feet after a takedown).......THEN Nog gets submitted through a series of events that would never repeat themselves. Instead of ruling a TKO when Nog drops Mir and is hitting him clean with punches on the ground, Herb Dean inexplicably warns Nog to stop hitting the back of the head. Nog proceeds to drop for a terrible guillotine attempt (he also did this against Couture), gets caught underneath Mir in side control when attempting a switch to get out of his mistake, and pretty much gifts the kimura. Mir goes from a TKO loss to a submission victory in seconds, and people will be forever deluded into thinking Mir is a better fighter than Noguiera.

Bigfoot Silva- With Mir's tendency to go fetal under ground and pound and Bigfoot's stifling top control, wouldn't this have been one of the most obvious results if Bigfoot was still on TRT? Mir was not submitting Bigfoot, who survived three rounds on the ground with Werdum.

Todd Duffee- Not saying Duffee is a great fighter, but the speed and skill difference between him and Mir was enormous. If Duffee was just patient with his striking and picked Mir apart rather than sloppily brawling, I'm confident Mir's chin would have given out.

I'm thinking Hunt rocks him with a jab, tries a flying omaplata, knocks himself out on the ground when his head hits the canvas, Mir sinks in an RNC, gets the tap, and Sherdog threads popup everywhere about how Mir is an all-time great with an amazing resume.

Somebody needs to shoop a picture of Brock Lesnar handing back the horseshoe he pulled out of Frank Mir's ass and beat him over the head with. Lesnar is a nice guy afterall.


Basically Mir only has won by flukes is what your saying. Mir has broken arms and knocked people 100% unconscious.
 
Basically Mir only has won by flukes is what your saying. Mir has broken arms and knocked people 100% unconscious.

Kongo, Bigfoot, and Duffee might not have been flukes, but circumstances were fortunate in all 3. Sylvia, Lesnar 1, and both Nog fights definitely flukes.
 
But seriously, how many other fighters do you come away watching and thinking, "They shouldn't have won that fight?" Mir has such a long list. I don't think I can think of another fighter that has been nearly so fortunate.


Diego Sanchez. Leonard Garcia.
Kongo, Bigfoot, and Duffee might not have been flukes, but circumstances were fortunate in all 3. Sylvia, Lesnar 1, and both Nog fights definitely flukes.


There is no such thing as fluke when you get KO'd in your first fight, and get your arm snapped in the second.

Brock just happened to lose the first and win the second.
 
Frank is one of those "live by the sword, die by the sword" kinda guys. He wins and loses in spectacular fashion.
 
You sir, are an assclown. You're lucky I don't kill you.
 
Love both guys in this fight. Clicked expecting something interesting. I've already made my call. Hunt TKO/KO in 1. But, I like reading other ppl's intelligent predictions.

Thread's fucked, though. I gave up reading that nonsense around Big Nog - Kongo. Read his prediction at the end there, though...

LMAO... WTF is wrong with you ?
 
Only fight he got lucky was lesnar 1. Can't believe they stood that fight up

Lesnar immediately got back to position that standup didn't change much at all

To the main thread

Nogs entire career is comebacks Mir does it to him all the sudden it's a fluke.

I like how you fail to mention Sylvia was busted for roids after the fact, making Mirs win that much better.

Also I thought Mir edged out Arlovski but hope they never fight again.
 
Your analysis of Mir vs Sylvia made my head hurt. Mir at that time had 0 real striking ability. Tim was a lumbering orc, and Frank was already a proven beast on the ground. Why would he get the fight where he knew he could win... which he did. You really think that Herb saved Frank? Tim's arm was broken in 3 spots. Herb saved Tim from running his already downslide of a career.
 
Frank Mir contains Hunt's striking, takes him down and locks on a violent sub.

Mir is a top 10 fighter and has been for years. He has a terrifying sub game, heavy hands, tidy boxing, powerful, accurate kicks and smooth takedowns. I don't understand why he is so hated and underrated, the guy is a legit top 10 fighter and will give anyone in the division a tough fight.
 
Frank Mir contains Hunt's striking, takes him down and locks on a violent sub.

Mir is a top 10 fighter and has been for years. He has a terrifying sub game, heavy hands, tidy boxing, powerful, accurate kicks and smooth takedowns. I don't understand why he is so hated and underrated, the guy is a legit top 10 fighter and will give anyone in the division a tough fight.

Frank Mir has NEVER shown he can takedown anyone known for takedown defense. He failed feebly against anyone he's ever consistently tried against(JDS, Cro Cop). He's also never shown he can stand with a top standup fighter unless you rank Kongo higher than I do.

I'm surprised Hunt didn't try the atomic butt drop after dropping Mir tonight, resulting in Mir getting his back. Thanks, Hunto.
 
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