So how bad is Ronda's shadow boxing? (Technical breakdown) (GIFS)

I think this is a good read:

Sanjay Doraiswamy

Some years ago, a kinesiologist named Sean Flanagan did a study on this and wrote an article in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts. The twist punch makes you significantly more prone to injury, is slower, and is not as powerful as a vertical punch. Amongst other things, he found that when the arm is loaded with forces from the fist, a twist punch puts a disproportionate amount of force on the ulna, which is the smaller bone.


Some people say that the twist adds power, but this idea is pseudoscience at best. First off, the rotation is perpendicular to the motion. Even if you could claim the twist adds power, the energy from the twist in a punch would be 12Iω2, where I=mr2.

According to Weighing in on individual body parts , the arm is about 6% of your body mass. If you weigh 100 kg, that's 6 kg. The radius of a MASSIVE bicep would be maybe 7 cm. (I have a 13" bicep, which would put my radius at maybe 5 cm.) Let's say your rotational velocity ω is about 4π/s, which I get from a half rotation in .25 s - quite generous values, I would say. This gives us a total added kinetic energy of
12(6 kg∗(.07 m)2)∗(4π)2s2=2.32 J.

Wow! So much energy! </sarcasm>

The next claim I've heard is that twist provides stabilization, similar to why bullets rotate when they are fired out of a gun. However, this is not possible at the slow speed of rotation - not anywhere close to the 3,000 RPS that a bullet might do. You can test out the stabilization yourself. Take a partner and try pushing on your arm in various directions, both with the arm extended and with the arm at post. You will find that the vertical punch is more stable (and hence more powerful and less injury-prone).

There are some other disadvantages as well:
Your elbow is exposed and quite vulnerable to an armbar/break.
Your opponent needs to be at the EXACT right distance; if he steps in, your wrist will get jammed.
The shoulder (for reasons I don't know, I'm not a kinesiologist) is typically not locked the right way, again making you more prone to injury (this goes back to what I said above about stabilization). This can be remedied by "squeezing a marble" under your armpit. The vertical punch automatically does this. Indeed, when Flanagan introduced the vertical punch over the twist punch in USMC boot camp, he documented a 20% decrease in shoulder injuries.
The twist punch is an unnatural movement; the vertical punch is similar to how we swing our arms when we walk.
The twist punch goes straight into the opponent's solar plexus; a vertical punch rises and therefore uses the opponent's weight against him. In addition, the solar plexus is more vulnerable against a rising punch. (You can try this; hold your fist right against a partner's solar plexus and "punch" him straight in, downward, and upward. You will find that the effect on your partner increases in that order, even though your "punch" had the same power every time.)
 
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Wow that's actually a real thorough breakdown.

Nice Job.
 
I think this is a good read:

Sanjay Doraiswamy

Some years ago, a kinesiologist named Sean Flanagan did a study on this and wrote an article in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts. The twist punch makes you significantly more prone to injury, is slower, and is not as powerful as a vertical punch. Amongst other things, he found that when the arm is loaded with forces from the fist, a twist punch puts a disproportionate amount of force on the ulna, which is the smaller bone.


Some people say that the twist adds power, but this idea is pseudoscience at best. First off, the rotation is perpendicular to the motion. Even if you could claim the twist adds power, the energy from the twist in a punch would be 12I&#969;2, where I=mr2.

According to Weighing in on individual body parts , the arm is about 6% of your body mass. If you weigh 100 kg, that's 6 kg. The radius of a MASSIVE bicep would be maybe 7 cm. (I have a 13" bicep, which would put my radius at maybe 5 cm.) Let's say your rotational velocity &#969; is about 4&#960;/s, which I get from a half rotation in .25 s - quite generous values, I would say. This gives us a total added kinetic energy of
12(6 kg&#8727;(.07 m)2)&#8727;(4&#960;)2s2=2.32 J.

Wow! So much energy! </sarcasm>

The next claim I've heard is that twist provides stabilization, similar to why bullets rotate when they are fired out of a gun. However, this is not possible at the slow speed of rotation - not anywhere close to the 3,000 RPS that a bullet might do. You can test out the stabilization yourself. Take a partner and try pushing on your arm in various directions, both with the arm extended and with the arm at post. You will find that the vertical punch is more stable (and hence more powerful and less injury-prone).

There are some other disadvantages as well:
Your elbow is exposed and quite vulnerable to an armbar/break.
Your opponent needs to be at the EXACT right distance; if he steps in, your wrist will get jammed.
The shoulder (for reasons I don't know, I'm not a kinesiologist) is typically not locked the right way, again making you more prone to injury (this goes back to what I said above about stabilization). This can be remedied by "squeezing a marble" under your armpit. The vertical punch automatically does this. Indeed, when Flanagan introduced the vertical punch over the twist punch in USMC boot camp, he documented a 20% decrease in shoulder injuries.
The twist punch is an unnatural movement; the vertical punch is similar to how we swing our arms when we walk.
The twist punch goes straight into the opponent's solar plexus; a vertical punch rises and therefore uses the opponent's weight against him. In addition, the solar plexus is more vulnerable against a rising punch. (You can try this; hold your fist right against a partner's solar plexus and "punch" him straight in, downward, and upward. You will find that the effect on your partner increases in that order, even though your "punch" had the same power every time.)

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I'm pretty sure 90% of this board can shadow box better than Ronda. Hell I'm pretty sure 90% of this board can actually box or should I saw 'brawl' better than Ronda.
 
Great thread. I'm no expert by any means, but even just as a fan I could tell she had no footwork, no head movement, and her hands were garbage with no hip twist or forward momentum from her legs. There was such hype about her being this world class striker; so ridiculous.

I'm glad Holly went in there as the stronger fighter, as Ronda usually enjoys a strength advantage, especially in the clinch. Holly had the technique to defend against the head lock + hip throw, and she could muscle her way out of there.
 
I'm glad Holly went in there as the stronger fighter, as Ronda usually enjoys a strength advantage, especially in the clinch. Holly had the technique to defend against the head lock + hip throw, and she could muscle her way out of there.

Holly is easily stronger than all the women in the division (except maybe cyborg)

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Very classy and unbiased analysis.

Most females are just uncoordinated in general, and i don't mean to sound sexist.

Ever watch girls try to throw a baseball? I played in a Co Ed rec league for years and watching 95% of the girls was horrific. Also swinging a bat - arm swings, no leg kick or using the lower body to generate power in their swing, and these were girls that played for many years, mind you by no means professionally.
 
That was a really good breakdown... Jack Slack kind of good...

But you don't need any of this to conclude that Ronda striking game is SHIT...
 
Is it just me or does Rondas shoulder hit her in the ear when she throws her second jab?

yes, because she doesn't move her head while throwing punches.
when you throw punches correctly it seems that the head doesn't move because actually you MOVE your head. :wink:

also the mechanic of the jab is different from the mechanic of a stright, in order to throw a good stright you have to move your shoulder and actually put a bit more emphasis on the head movement.
 
Most females are just uncoordinated in general, and i don't mean to sound sexist.

Ever watch girls try to throw a baseball? I played in a Co Ed rec league for years and watching 95% of the girls was horrific. Also swinging a bat - arm swings, no leg kick or using the lower body to generate power in their swing, and these were girls that played for many years, mind you by no means professionally.

To add to that women have the extra problem of having breasts which can throw off the balance of their punches when shifting weight and can make them have a stooped posture when they fight because of the extra weight there. Thats why you rarely see a top level female striker with anything above an A cup.
 
I think someone needs to show to this Ronda or Edmond.
 
She's not using her whole body to throw the punches correct imo. It's been awhile since I've done Kickboxing/boxing, but she's too robotic. She has no foot, hip movement and though I can't see her feet she's probably flat footed. it's a shame her main coach is a boxing coach and he really has no clue, she really needs to leave that camp, but sometimes loyalty is a bitch.
 
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